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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| Unlocked Phones Verizon must be smoking the same stuff that Sprint is. If unlocked phones were soooooo bad for the network, then all of the GSM providers in world would be having network issues up the wazoo. The only entity that unlocked phones are bad for is Verizon not the consumer.
Gee, the ability to buy a phone and take it to a different carrier when you get fed up with your current carrier. What a concept.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Unlocked Phones I agree...having the ability to reuse (or use) whatever phone you want.
Verizon = Serivce provider
- They rent/lease/sell the devices tailored how they want it, and only their devices will work, and can force you to upgrade.
Since the phone is tied directly to your account by ESN, you can not just 'swap' phones. Carriers do allow for ESN swaps, but typically, they have a list of phones that are allowed by ESN numbers. I.e. Sprint won't allow you to use a Verizon Wireless phone.
SIM card (AT&T/T-Mobile)
- They rent/lease/sell the devices tailored how they want it, however, you CAN take an unlocked, or older GSM phone that you used in the past, and insert your SIM card. Data features would have to be set manually (i.e. WAP), and some SMS/MMS may not work properly, but it does offer a LOT more flexibility. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | Question: Was Mr. Zipperstein Esq.(Man, great name!) wearing a Napoleon outfit when he made this statement?
Last time anyone made a statement this delusional, they got a 5lb. Thorazine suppository and a nice quiet room at the state's expense. | |
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FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| Locked Phones help manufacturers an the carriers The phone manufacturers are in the same boat as Verizon, or atleast they'll be throwing their money at them to combat the unlocking of cell phones. For instance, one model type becomes essentially 4 or 5 when locked. Instant cash-flow off the break, plus the carriers can charge up the ass when it comes to getting a new phone for on a new carrier.
But God forbid you actually purchasing your phone 100% and having the choice of which carrier you want.
Beta-max, anyone? | |
| | pcnetworx1
join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA | Re: Locked Phones help manufacturers an the carriers Not Betamax; Carterphone! | |
| MichaelWacey
OwlSaver
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| All Cell Phone Service should be unlocked The FCC should require all cell phone service to be provided unlocked, not just the upcoming 700Mhz band. Unfortunately, I doubt they have the fortitude to maintain the fight for the 700 Mhz band let alone the rest.
Isn't it interesting that Verizon want open access to provide cable TV to all customers but does not want the same for Cell phone access?
This issue is a disgrace for the US. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | They never change For those to young to remember before the 80's you actually HAD to purcahse your phone from the phone company. And believe me they were a lot more than the $10 you can get from wal-mart and they were rotary dial. | |
| | shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
| Re: They never change I was thinking the same thing. I really do believe that unlocking the phones would spur more companies to make cell phones and what not. If they saw they could make a cool phone and throw it on the shelves of walmart they could get a slice of the pie. | |
| | | nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | Re: They never change Er, there are just PLENTY of companies making cellphones. Its just the USA thats on a different planet to the rest of the world on this issue, and about 5-10 years behind | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: They never change I agree... I think Europeans don't subsidize or tie their phones in, and some countries forbid phone locking. | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
1 edit | said by BF69  :For those to young to remember before the 80's you actually HAD to purcahse your phone from the phone company. And believe me they were a lot more than the $10 you can get from wal-mart and they were rotary dial. Actually you had to rent it from Ma Bell, no purchasing. Having an extra phone that the phone company did not know about could get you in big trouble with the "Phone Cops" (tribute to WKRP in Cincinnati). The phone company would often perform impedance and ringer current checks to see if there were more phones on the line than you were supposed to have. My parents had two rental phones and a third unauthorized one. Any time we needed a service call I always remember them unplugging that third phone and hiding it in a closet. Things finally started to lighten up around 1977-1978 when we were finally allowed to provide our own wiring (COPW - Customer Owned Premises Wiring) and connect additional phones. The only requirement then was that you had to tell them you were connecting additional phones and what the RE (Ringer Equivalence) number was.
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| Re: They never change said by n2jtx :Actually you had to rent it from Ma Bell, no purchasing. ... Things finally started to lighten up around 1977-1978 when we were finally allowed to provide our own wiring (COPW - Customer Owned Premises Wiring) and connect additional phones. The only requirement then was that you had to tell them you were connecting additional phones and what the RI (Ringer Equivalence) number was. The same thing is needed with wireless today. Wireless Telcos provided the service, we the customer, decided on the equipment of OUR Choice. I sure hope this comes to pass on 700 Mhz and spreads like wildfire across all the wireless spectrum in the US... Hopefully the FCC won't cave to Verizon... Again. 
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Sabre
Di relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17
·Comcast
| Re: BOUAhahhahahahha!! I use Verizon for one reason: they have good coverage in and around my home, where I use it most. They're sufficiently affordable for me. Maybe if I lived elsewhere I'd have issues with them and feel the same way. But for some of us, they're fine. As always, everyone's different.
That being said, I call shenanigans on this crap that Zipperstein is pulling out of wherever. They're just scared they'll lose free revenue.
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| | Time4aNAP
Premium
join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL
| said by adisor19 :I mean, who in the right mind would buy an ugly and bulky CDMA phone and pay the Qualcom [sic] tax [sic]? Let me guess, a phone that's a dead-ringer for its CDMA counterpart, save for the 'mark of the beast' logo and shorter battery life magically becomes a svelte thing of beauty, right? 
I don't see the appeal of seeing how many "phones" I can shove my "SIM" into. If that gets your rocks off, good for you. But from where I stand, you look more pathetic than anything else, bragging about your conquests to people who don't care.
My relationship with my Sprint phone is still interesting after all these years. It's always been faithful to me, and were happy together. You might not understand now, but when you grow up, you'll grow tired of the constant handset-hopping, and maybe even look for some character in a phone, and settle down.
Until then, you might think twice about shaking your "SIM" at everything that moves. And don't forget to use protection. You never know what nasty things some strange "phone" has picked up until it's too late.
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| A childs logic... FTA: "Consumer choice would be the casualty of policies that mandate that all companies do the same thing the same way,"
Wait wait wait...they're saying consumer choice dies when companies are mandated to do the same thing???
Now I try to be articulated when it comes to debating a topic, but I cannot in this instance. So therefore -- No you crack heads, that's exactly what fosters competition and consumer choice!
If all the carriers were forced to allow unlocked phones, it would (should), create ridiculous consumer choice, as the feeding frenzy occurs to undercut your competition since you're all able to offer the same services, and you don't have a crippled phone keeping someone from leaving you if you try to inflate prices.
The Verizon spin machine should explain how the iPhone is consumer choice. I guess they don't care about the insane number of phones AT&T is moving. Many of those could have been Verizon customers, but no, apparently locked phones give more choice. My God do they think we're stupid.
Design good plans, do some business studies...no one said you still can't sign people on contracts. Offer them a good plan and they will take it, unlocked phone or not. Man. Take a hint from Field of Dreams...
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: A childs logic... said by Raptor :The Verizon spin machine should explain how the iPhone is consumer choice. I guess they don't care about the insane number of phones AT&T is moving. Many of those could have been Verizon customers, but no, apparently locked phones give more choice. My God do they think we're stupid. Apple offered the iPhone to Verizon FIRST and was told to peddle it to some other provider (which is how ATT get it). | |
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nipseyrussel
Nipsey Russell, yo
join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA
| said by Raptor :...Now I try to be articulated when it comes to debating a topic... now thats friggin' funny  | |
| | Time4aNAP
Premium
join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL
| This "unlocked phones" misdirection is great if you're an AT&T shareholder, but not if you're a consumer. Surely we haven't forgotten the rampant cloning that led to these measures? Do you really want to waste more of your precious time culling through your monthly cellphone bill, looking for yet another bunch of clone calls, and spend hours settling the charges? Or have some crackhead steal your phone, complete with all of those numbers that you can't recall because they're in your phone? Do we really want to go back to that?
Today cellphones are disposable items. If you switch carriers, they'll give you a free phone. And old phones are recycled and put back into service for charitable causes. Even those few who are willing to spend exorbitant amounts of money on a phone tend to spend more and more money to have the latest model.
A choice that nobody aside from the AT&T shills is demanding is no choice at all, because all it does is lock you into one carrier--precisely the thing that it claims to be against. It's a ploy, a sham, a rip-off, a false dilemma, manipulation, an insult to your intelligence, a fraud, a red herring, a dirty trick...
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| | | AJ_CHICAGO
join:2002-12-10
Bartlett, IL
| Re: A childs faulty logic... said by Time4aNAP :This "unlocked phones" misdirection is great if you're an AT&T shareholder, but not if you're a consumer. Surely we haven't forgotten the rampant cloning that led to these measures? Do you really want to waste more of your precious time culling through your monthly cellphone bill, looking for yet another bunch of clone calls, and spend hours settling the charges? Or have some crackhead steal your phone, complete with all of those numbers that you can't recall because they're in your phone? Do we really want to go back to that? Today cellphones are disposable items. If you switch carriers, they'll give you a free phone. And old phones are recycled and put back into service for charitable causes. Even those few who are willing to spend exorbitant amounts of money on a phone tend to spend more and more money to have the latest model. A choice that nobody aside from the AT&T shills is demanding is no choice at all, because all it does is lock you into one carrier--precisely the thing that it claims to be against. It's a ploy, a sham, a rip-off, a false dilemma, manipulation, an insult to your intelligence, a fraud, a red herring, a dirty trick... You do need a nap. I think you are an insult to our intelligence. Do you work for one of the phone companies? I would not doubt it. Your smoke and mirror verbiage is so smoked up it leaves us all uttering... "HUH"? Offering unlocked phones is a sham that ultimately limits provider choice? HUH? | |
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join:2000-12-20
Wesley Chapel, FL | Re: A childs faulty logic... Time4aNAP is an interesting fellow. I had similar response from him as well. His account is no longer active, so, I think someone had enough of his BS. | |
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justaguy
@lmco.com | This will be my cancellation rationale I will cite these specific statements as my rationale for leaving verizon when my contract is up in a month. I don't have any gripes with them in general, but I can't justify feeding this machine anymore. | |
| Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL | Some body call a whambulance I'm so sick of hearing the telcos cry. You've been milking consumers for too long. It's time for a change! | |
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dodgetech2
join:2002-01-01
Gouldsboro, PA
·ProLog
 ·Vonage
| Re: Stupid said by hayabusa3303 :(RANT) Is it me or everytime Vz doesnt get there way they act like a F*&*^ing baby about it. Im like the other poster im sick and tried of the bells pissing and moaning. Just get the SH&^ done and quit bi%$^ing. Last time i checked it takes money to make money. (rant OFF) nope, its not just you...Verizon should change their slogan to
"don't try and compete with us, or we will litigate you out of business" | |
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nipseyrussel
Nipsey Russell, yo
join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA
| thanks! thanks for defending my choice, | |
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not
@comcast.net
| Verizon Backberry 8830 GPS Verizon also recently release the 8830 which they disabled the native autonomous GPS capabilities of the phone just to charge you later for reenabling it. Other carriers of the same phone Sprint/Bell Canada did not disable GPS on the phones. Verizon is just money hungry and preys on consumers who don't know anything about the technology they are buying. Force them to STOP! | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| Real simple Locked phones/devices with no possibility of carrier interoperability should be FREE. They shouldn't cost customers a dime out of their pocket and should simply be tied to 2 year contracts. Usually this is the case for the cheaper phones, or even better phones that have been out for awhile. As for something like the iPhone, I will never pay $600 for something that truly isn't mine. | |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Can this be compared to....... Net Neutrality?
Granted, they started out differently.
Can this happen if it went away? Is comparing cellphones to to your computer and the communication methods respectively a valid comparison?
What would happen if they decided to charge you for sending pictures from your computer? Or using MSN chat services?
With your cellphone you are charged for text messages and sending pictures unless of course you pay for those services via your cell provider.
No one controls content and services on the internet, the exception being cellphones, they both use the internet do they not?
Tell me if this is way out there.........
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| qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | Pull up your Zipper! stein... | |
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Verizon Gripes Over 700Mhz Rules
