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Despite letter promising users hardware would be free...
(old news - 12:55PM Friday Apr 11 2008)
tags: prices · business · hardware · Verizon FIOS
The other day I mentioned in a report that Verizon would be offering users free FiOSTV digital adapters, as the telco migrates their FiOSTV service from analog to all digital. Several users wrote me to note that while they recently got this letter telling them they wouldn't pay for any conversion hardware (provided they stay at the same address), Verizon is sending them bills charging them $3.99 a month for the converter.

"Prior to now, you were allowed to connect additional sets to the "feed" from the ONT on the side of the house to receive channels 2 through 49 as analog thereby requiring no set top box," one user tells us. But Verizon is converting to all digital signals early (allowing them to recoup analog bandwidth for HD), and users now need either a digital box or a digital adapter (Verizon offers the Motorola DCT700).

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The letter being sent out to customers infers that these devices will be free for users who call in, but the users who call in are being billed anyway. "I signed up for the free digital converter in accordance with the letter Verizon sent out," Says NY Tel See Profile. "The bill was $40.00 higher than usual as a direct result of being billed incorrectly."

"This is a limited-time promotion," Verizon spokesperson Bobbi Henson told us when asked to confirm the offer. "Subscribers who have an analog television set connected directly to FiOS TV without a Verizon-issued set top box or Cable Card can get one digital adapter from us," she says. "Those receiving the digital adapter from us during the promotion will have their $3.99 a month leasing fee waived for as long as they have FiOS service in that residence."

Henson also confirms to us that as long as users get in within the promotion window, they shouldn't be charged for the adapter (or "adaptor", as the Verizon bill spells it). "The leasing fee for the digital adapter will be waived under a limited-time promotion that we're currently running during our elimination of a small number of analog simulcasts of local channels on FiOS TV," she says.

Subscribers who have an analog television set connected directly to FiOS TV without a Verizon-issued set top box or Cable Card can get one digital adapter from us. Those receiving the digital adapter from us during the promotion will have their $3.99 a month leasing fee waived for as long as they have FiOS service in that residence.
-Verizon
Ok well there's a few problems here. First is obviously the phantom charges, which have been an ongoing problem with FiOSTV billing. Second, the letter being sent to customers simply mentions "free equipment," it doesn't say that customers are restricted to one adapter. In fact, users told us the 1-800 number listed on the letter originally told customers they're allowed up to three adapters.

Most annoying perhaps is the way Verizon support makes resolving the billing error like pulling teeth for the consumer. To close, here's NY Tel See Profile's experience in trying to get the billing error resolved:
I called the FiOS help line 1 888 553-1555 and after speaking to a representative for 10 minutes - she quickly acknowledged that the order for the box was placed incorrectly and in addition, I was billed $19.99 for an additional outlet (never ordered, never installed).

She placed me on hold a few times and then said she needed some time to fix the issue and would reverse the 19.99 charge and had to figure out how to fix the recurring 3.99 charge for the digital box. She took my reach number. We got cut off.

No callback.

So I re-dialed. Got another rep who said a bunch of things such as: "oh this is billed to a credit card so I have to transfer you to someone who takes credit card payments" or "So how many adapters do you have?" I answered that I have a DVR and a Digital adapter. Her answer: "So wht's is the problem"? I explained the letter from Benigno Gonzales offering free equipment as long as you reside at your current address. Her response: "Well did you call them back? - they are the ones who placed the order for you so you need to call them."

I said at this point in a nice way: "you are telling me me one untruth after the other, give me your supervisor please", and she did. The supervisor acknlowledged that another rep still had the account open and she was working on it. He spoke to her and she promised that as soon as she was done, she would call me back.

One hour later still no callback.
For some reason, you cannot place the adapter order with Verizon's vanilla customer care -- it has to be placed with the Verizon Digital conversion team (888-505-3512). If users place the order with Verizon's regular billing department, you'll be charged the $3.99 adapter fee, plus a one time $19.99 additional jack fee. Apparently you'll also spend a day of your life trying to get the charges reversed.

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nixie21
Premium
join:2004-08-19
Harrington Park, NJ

Well

I just got mine the other day...Will have to check the bill closely...

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online

Waiting for that Knock on the Door

Verizon is in the preparatory phases now for installing FiOS in my area. They have been doing digging to get underground passages ready for running fiber and there have been site planners around surveying the job.

When it is eventually installed and I get that knock on the door from a FiOS salesperson promising me the moon, the stars and anything else, I am going to tell them everything I know about FiOS billing issues, taxes and fees, undelivered promotional items (TV's) and phantom hardware charges. I will then decline to talk any further. Cablevision has its issues but at least they have gotten my bills correct for the past seven years with one minor exception that was in my favor and had to be corrected.
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Xela19115

join:2000-10-06
Richboro, PA

Quick correction

Motorola DCT-700 is the digital "adaptor".
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xela19115
bnceo

join:2007-10-11
West Orange, NJ

Heh

I love it when I get the FIOS sales person to my home. Granted, he came AFTER I ordered FIOS installed. Anywho, I totally quizzed him hard core after studying the technology and the rest for more than a month.

That being said, my billing issues have stopped after the first 4-5 months. Everytime, a simple phone call fixed it.

Swingerhead
Premium
join:2004-04-06
Richmond, VA

OK with FCC?

I thought that they were only allowed to remove the analog signal because the FCC gave a pass as long as they gave the converter for free, at least until some date in 2009. Am I mistaken.

bigpapae332131

@verizon.net

Call 888-505-3512

You cannot place the order for the free digital adapters with Verizons regular customer care, it has be with the Verizon Digital conversion team, the phone number is 888-505-3512, and they will ship out that free adpater by UPS to the address listed in the account. If you placed the order with Verizons billing department, then they will charge you the monthly $3.99 plus a one time $19.99 additional jack fee.

amarryat
Verizon FiOS

join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA

3 is the limit

They told me I could have up to 3 free. I asked for 2, but the rep asked if I was sure because I could have 3. So I said why not. Anyway, I haven't been charged for them.
rdmiller

join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA

Re: 3 is the limit

For God's sake, don't lose that spare "adaptor". The minute you move, Verizon will want it back.

amarryat
Verizon FiOS

join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA

Re: 3 is the limit

One of them is in use right now in my office so that I can see the Masters.
EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
They might lose it in the system if it's long enough- I think I may have an old Bell Atlantic-branded DSL modem lying around here that they never bothered to ask me for...
macaholic
Premium
join:2003-08-31
Jackson Heights, NY


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yet another: let's see if the customer notices...

I really have come to believe that Verizon has purposely made this their policy in just about anything they do regarding billing.... People who do notice get the run around intentionally and they hope the customer tires from all the wasted time and energy so that they give up...

Word of advice to anyone who receives a "accidental" bill and the issue unresolved after ONE phone call. Contact your state Attorney General's office and file a complaint immediately... you'll be amazed how fast that billing issue will be resolved. Matter of fact Verizon, has an entire department dedicated to dealing with customer complaints that the government follows up on... just another incidental cost to the "let's see if the customer notice's and has the energy to defeat are system we can rake in some extra money"

Customer complaints to your state also get recorded and taken into account whenever Verizon asks for something.
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"You don't subject minority rights to a referendum." Justice Minister Irwin Cotler of Canada

zachary1
you talkin' to me?

join:2004-03-07
right here

Re: yet another: let's see if the customer notices...

That's cool that you quoted our Justice Minister in your sig.

NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo

said by macaholic See Profile :

Word of advice to anyone who receives a "accidental" bill and the issue unresolved after ONE phone call. Contact your state Attorney General's office and file a complaint immediately... you'll be amazed how fast that billing issue will be resolved. Matter of fact Verizon, has an entire department dedicated to dealing with customer complaints that the government follows up on... just another incidental cost to the "let's see if the customer notice's and has the energy to defeat are system we can rake in some extra money"

Customer complaints to your state also get recorded and taken into account whenever Verizon asks for something.
Good point. I will wait till next month to see if the 3.99 charge comes off and will then give Mr. Cuomo's office a jingle.

Kudos to Karl for this great piece of investigative journalism.
W1RFI

join:2003-05-12
Burlington, CT

It's a really sad state when companies decide to join insurance companies, banks and airlines, banks as industries that keep us all watching our backs.

It is especially perplexing with insurance companies, banks and airlines, as the very essence of their business is that we have to trust them, with our security, money and lives. How many people would hire a cleaning company that would steal from us every time we weren't looking? Yet when companies pull stunts like this one, it costs them few customers.

In today's business envionment, a good business motto and policy would be "We Won't Screw You, Even When We Think We Could Get Away With It." A business that develops a no-screw reputation will make a fortune.

Lee GWB
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ

It does get better!

Hi,
If you did not already know the "FREE" Digital converters give you all the channels you subscribe for EXCEPT VOD and PPV.You will get a "on screen Channel # " but no "IMG".
Lee
Cyber2lz

join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL

Alert !! Alert !!!

Breaking News - Dateline Tampa, Florida.

Verizon Communications just announced late this afternoon that they would be terminating their contract with the company that writes their billing software, MonkeyBiz.

When contacted, a representative with MonkeyBiz stated they would be saving big bucks without the Verizon contract. The representative continued by saying that not only would MB save on the four chimpanzees salary but on the two cases of Jolt cola that they consumed each day.

In related news, shares of Jolt cola closed down sharply on the Verizon news release.
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The Light Pipe is the Right Pipe !!!

GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

Oh where or where have my digital boxes gone...

I called and requested 2 the day the letter came in Northern NJ. I happened to be working from home that day so I called. Still no boxes. I guess I have to call again.
hofs1

join:2007-10-12
Little Falls, NJ

Re: Oh where or where have my digital boxes gone...

Hey Geek mine took 10 days to show up so maybe they are starting to get hit for requests. Now for the billing fun to check on. But they work well here in Northern NJ

NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo

Re: Oh where or where have my digital boxes gone...

said by hofs1 See Profile :

Hey Geek mine took 10 days to show up so maybe they are starting to get hit for requests. Now for the billing fun to check on. But they work well here in Northern NJ
I actually only ordered 2 boxes and then one was broken and they sent me 2 to replace it. I can't wait for next month's bill.

GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
I called on the 28th so it's been 2 weeks. Guess I have to call.

Trinijoy
Premium
join:2005-09-12
Brick, NJ

uh huh

Wow, go to the store and get a LCD TV, or a digital TV people, they are really not that much money. Even for me and I only make 16.50 an hour, live with my wife in an apartment and can afford many good things. (You see the catch is not to have children, or if you are going to have children not have 9 of them)!

Hope

@mybrighthouse.com

FiOS Network

Can anyone confirm if a retail digial converter will work on the FiOS network after they have converted to all digital, or do you have to buy VZ's digital adapter?
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