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Verizon LTE: 5-12 Mbps Downstream
2-5 Mbps upstream, still no price, cap announcement
by Karl Bode 06:08PM Monday Dec 07 2009
Verizon has launched a new website (via GigaOM) offering a little more detail on next year's LTE wireless broadband launch. According to big red, they'll be offering speeds of between 5 Mbps and 13 Mbps downstream, and between 2 Mbps and 5 Mbps upstream. There's still no word on pricing or monthly consumption caps, but we do know that Verizon says they'll launch the speedier next-generation wireless broadband technology in thirty markets in 2010 -- with most of the national deployment completed by 2014.

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Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Jamestown, NC
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Closer to 5Mbps?

I'm guessing the speeds will wind up closer to 5Mbps/2Mbps than 13Mbps/5Mbps?

SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA

Re: Closer to 5Mbps?

That’s faster then their DSL in most places. So two things might happen, 1 they’re going to price this service much higher than their DSL price points or 2 they’re going to cap the service so you can’t get your moneys worth out of it. There is no why there going to come in and offer a better service then their wire line business when the DSL foot print is so much larger then their FIOS.

ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA

Re: Closer to 5Mbps?

If they play the game right, they will use this and let their DSL die.
neufuse

join:2006-12-06
James Creek, PA

Re: Closer to 5Mbps?

90% chance they will still have a 5GB cap on this though...
Big Dawg 23

join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN

Re: Closer to 5Mbps?

I think if a cap is put in place it will be closer to 25-35GB. Doing anything less is point less as people will hit the cap quickly.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Depends. WiMAX can already do 15/5 in real-world, albeit high-signal, conditions. HSPA+ can do 12/2 without a problem. You'd hope that with all the hoopla LTE would beat both, or at least match them.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: Closer to 5Mbps?

said by iansltx:

Depends. WiMAX can already do 15/5 in real-world, albeit high-signal, conditions. HSPA+ can do 12/2 without a problem. You'd hope that with all the hoopla LTE would beat both, or at least match them.
Per user, per tower, per spectrum block?
jdjbuffalo

join:2004-01-17
Denver, CO
LTE is WiMax. They are just slightly different implementations of the same technologies. Clearwire has already stated that it would just take a minor software update on their backend equipment to move from WiMax to LTE if they wanted to make the switch.

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Re: Closer to 5Mbps?

said by jdjbuffalo:

LTE is WiMax. They are just slightly different implementations of the same technologies. Clearwire has already stated that it would just take a minor software update on their backend equipment to move from WiMax to LTE if they wanted to make the switch.
It's not quite that easy, unless Clear is using software defined radios. They do both utilize orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing on the downlink side which is a big plus (even here, using different methods that are incompatible), but LTE utilizes single carrier frequency division multiple access and WiMAX uses plain old orthogonal frequency-division multiple access on the uplink side. To further move them apart, WiMAX uses time division multiplexing and LTE uses frequency division multiplexing.

So while there is value in assuring your investors "Oh it's a simple change if we start losing marketshare to LTE deployments" in reality, LTE and WiMAX serve different purposes and it would require a massive engineering shift to restructure their network for LTE.
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hottboiinnc
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Already there

we already have 30 markets via WiMax where is VZ? Still giving us bull shit and "it's coming" we'll see LTE by them in LATE 2010.
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OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: Already there

bill shit eh? must be how u feel after paying it.
hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Already there

first i don't pay for VZ. I'd never use their services. They suck, support is horrible. CSRs are worse. Billing is another story.
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OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: Already there

i was referring to your typing mistake, bro i see u quickly corrected it
hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH

Re: Already there

i know.
glinc

join:2009-04-07
New York, NY
mmmm after reading so many WiMax reviews, I wouldn't say people get their money worth anyways and knowing big red, they will build the network right.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Already there

build it right? LMAO! Compared to who? ClearWire? ClearWire's problem is inside. Everyone knows that. There are thousands of more WiMax providers that just Clear. Many small local providers. www.bnorth.net (Bright.net North). You won't find their views on this site.

Also have you heard of Tower Stream? They're a WiMax provider.

You should know you'll only hear about that bad services anyways. If someone has great service with a provider, you'll never hear about that. It's only when the service goes down or sucks and the minute it's back up, they're on twitter, if not already via cell.
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Rickz0rz

join:2003-08-26
New Baltimore, MI

Re: Already there

said by hottboiinnc:

build it right? LMAO! Compared to who? ClearWire? ClearWire's problem is inside. Everyone knows that. There are thousands of more WiMax providers that just Clear. Many small local providers. www.bnorth.net (Bright.net North). You won't find their views on this site.

Also have you heard of Tower Stream? They're a WiMax provider.

You should know you'll only hear about that bad services anyways. If someone has great service with a provider, you'll never hear about that. It's only when the service goes down or sucks and the minute it's back up, they're on twitter, if not already via cell.
There's a problem. You can have 30 small WiMax providers but it does no good if they cover 0.01% of the population and no one has heard of them.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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And how many of those "WiMax" providers use mobile wimax and how many use 2.5 ghz spectrum? All those mom and pop wimax places uses equipment that runs on custom bands and fixed wimax with proprietary vendor extensions (Expedience, Canopy, etc).
mobbo

join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
In 30 markets...unless everyone has energy-efficient windows.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Should be competitive with...

WiMAX, HPSA+ (T-Mo/AT&T, assuming they have capacity)

I wonder if VZW will be a 'spoiler' and go and deploy this in the areas that they sold off all their landline (POTS/ADSL) to Fairpoint, and attempting to sell more to Frontier.

Sell off non-profit/dying landline, get a huge tax credit, build out a wireless equivalent (cost less to run, more demand), and make more money.... Good investment, IMO.
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hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Should be competitive with...

if it says nationwide, it will be limited to the areas they say they'll get a great ROI. The FiOS network is "nationwide" as well. But only in areas where ROI is. Will never be seen anywhere else.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Particularly since you can't get above about 4 Mbps even with bonded ADSL2+ Annex M for uploads. For downloads you'd have to be within about 11k feet of the CO to get 12 Mbps speeds on two-line bonded DSL. WIth LTE on 700MHz these speeds should be usable out to several miles from the transmitter, so Verizon is in a much better position with LTE than with DSL. That said, Verizon paid megabucks for the 700MHz spectrum, and LTE deployment won't exactly be cheap.

Still, I'm looking forward to WiFiOS, provided the caps are reasonable
NeoandGeo

join:2003-05-10
Harrison, TN

.

Would this at all help current devices?
glinc

join:2009-04-07
New York, NY

Re: .

Nope, you will need new LTE devices
MRCUR

join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA

Nope...

Like glink said, nope. VZW is planning on continuing the use of CDMA for voice anyways.
hottboiinnc
ME

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Cleveland, OH

Re: Nope...

which means the Formerally Alltel Customers can keep their "tick, tick, tick" noise when the towers are trying to reach them..
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Chaldo

join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI

Not bad

AT&T is probably going to keep up that year with HSPA 7.2 then release LTE but notice that the people who will have the benefit of faster 3G speeds on there phones will be AT&T/T-mobile because some phones have 7.2 chips in them and AT&T/T-Mobile are upgrading there 3G. LTE devices you wont see for a couple years now..

io chico
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join:2003-12-30
Chico, CA

So what!

None of this matters with caps attached.
vlad1000

join:2005-05-19
Brooklyn, NY

i agree

stupid greedy verizon craps....

everyone knows

CAPS are for SAPS!!!
ShellMMG

join:2009-04-16
Grass Lake, MI
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According to the VZW LTE site...

...It appears LTE will be developed alongside their 3G/EVDO network. I have no clue as to how cell towers, backhaul, etc. actually work, but I know the location of my tower and that I get a 3G RevA signal, usually between 1.75-2.5MB down. If LTE runs parallel to 3G then I should be eligible, yes?

Then there's that damned cap thing. I don't need lightspeed downloads; I NEED at least 50G a month. There's no way cable or FIOS will ever reach me so my family is dependent on wireless. So far we've been extremely happy but a 5G cap is a deal-killer.
hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH

Re: According to the VZW LTE site...

that depends on if VZW sees your market worth anything. Nationwide does NOT mean they'll cover their entire foot print.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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Re: According to the VZW LTE site...

said by hottboiinnc:

that depends on if VZW sees your market worth anything. Nationwide does NOT mean they'll cover their entire foot print.
Verizon is 100% EVDO now. Verizon obviously isn't cheap on capital investment, look at ATT, their 3G never went past urban and burbs. Verizon isnt ATT.
geonap
lolatidiots

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Los Angeles, CA
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caps are for sure

isn't it obvious that there are going to be caps?

Bill Neilson
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join:2009-07-08
Arlington, VA

Re: caps are for sure

Sadly, I do....and what worries me is how most companies seem to be promoting the use of more web-based things yet then telling the customers to only use so much of it.

Just don't get it.

I don't mind Comcast's 250gig cap but I hope they ADJUST that if we ever start to use anything NEAR that amount on a monthly basis.

I download movies, music, video games, tv shows, streaming, etc....and dont touch 100gigs usually but in the future I just may be if other things are then put on the web for use and it eats up the cap....ie HD stuff
spectrumhead

join:2009-05-03

i dont think caps

when I think about the LTE tech, there wont be caps imo.
Clear doesnt have too.
brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
kudos:1

Nice

When they reach 18Mbs speed then they can start offering tv service in homes.
patrickp
Patrick

join:2002-05-03
Bloomington, IL

LTE = Long Term Evolution

LTE has a long ways to go in speed yet too!

Looks like in the future this LTE technology could [unless for technical reasons] replace copper wired DSL and possibly even fiber and cable in the future, and there is nothing to maintain between broadcaster and receiver or the customer so this wireless LTE service can be used at say 100Mbps would cheap to deliver and great for customers.

I'm talking about quite a ways yet in the future
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jnc2000
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Pittsburgh, PA

Devices?

CDMA will be around for a while...

LTE will be deployed along side CDMA.

Cell site connectivity will be done via STS's

The real question will be how many hybrid DO/LTE devices will be available at launch...
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rob316

join:2005-10-17
Carteret, NJ

Re: Devices?

My contract is up with Verizon in March 2010, but I will be keeping my BB Storm and wait for the new LTE Devices when they come out in 2010.

Ural

@omcastbusiness.net

TMobile offers that now in Phili

and everywhere else by years end

Currently in Houston with a G1 2Mbps is the standard.