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Verizon LTE Build Complete by Mid 2013
Six Months Earlier Than Originally Expected
by Karl Bode 12:25PM Thursday Nov 08 2012
Verizon Wireless now says their LTE build will be completed in mid-2013, six months earlier than originally projected. Speaking this week at the Wells Fargo Securities Technology, Media & Telecom Conference, Verizon CFO Fran Shammo stated that after some early hiccups that included numerous nationwide outages things have significantly smoothed out in deployments and still leads every other carrier in LTE coverage by far. "You can see that people are massively migrating to that network," insisted Shammo. Verizon recently stated that roughly 35% of the total traffic over their wireless network was via LTE. The company has also stated that the plan will be to sunset their 2G and 3G (EVDO) networks by 2021.

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DrModem
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Verizon

Needs more reasonable pricing for their plans. And also an up to date nexus phone.

But the LTE rocks tho

thegeek
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Re: Verizon

When you're the clear leader in LTE coverage then you have the power of being able to set higher prices. And even though people bitch about the pricing, millions are evidently OK enough with it to pay it.

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Re: Verizon

said by thegeek:

When you're the clear leader in LTE coverage then you have the power of being able to set higher prices. And even though people bitch about the pricing, millions are evidently OK enough with it to pay it.

They may be a "clear leader in LTE", but it's only because Verizon NEEDS this upgrade badly. Their 3G network cannot keep up with demand.

I have both AT&T (iPhone) and Verizon (iPad). On AT&T I honestly don't care if LTE pops up or not. "4G" HSPA speeds work fine for most purposes. On Verizon, if I see "3G", I know I'm in for a pitiful browsing experience unless I'm in an unpopulated area or it's the wee hours of the morning. Despite the amount of LTE that Verizon has deployed so far, I still see a lot of 3G. On the route from LA to Mammoth Lakes there were long stretches where I only had 1xRTT, where my AT&T iPhone had HSPA the whole way.

"Mid 2013" can't get here soon enough.
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said by DrModem:

And also an up to date nexus phone.

If you want the pure Nexus experience, you will avoid Verizon at all costs. Verizon screwed and continues to screw the Samsung Galaxy Nexus owners.

DrModem
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Re: Verizon

Unfortunately Verizon has the best network ATM so I'll just stick with my AOKP S3

Maxo
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Re: Verizon

said by DrModem:

Unfortunately Verizon has the best network ATM so I'll just stick with my AOKP S3

That's the boat I'm in. I would love to pick up the new Nexus 4, but no other carrier has the coverage that Verizon does where I live. All of my coworkers, friends, and relatives that are not on Verizon all complain about their carriers coverage here.
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The Nexus line is for people who like to hack their phones or maybe 1% of Verizon customers. The Nexus is a niche phone. I went with the S3 as the camera on the Nexus phones will very likely always be sub par (software).

What is good about nexus for the carriers is they get lots of insight and help from Google to make their phones better.

»www.gottabemobile.com/2012/08/22···nuscule/

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Re: Verizon

said by jcondon:

The Nexus line is for people who like to hack their phones or maybe 1% of Verizon customers. The Nexus is a niche phone. I went with the S3 as the camera on the Nexus phones will very likely always be sub par (software).

The Nexus line is for people who want the Android experience without the bullshit the vendors like to pull that degrades the user experience. Nexus phones get frequent updates and vanilla Android. Just like all iPhone and Windows phone users. It is Google's response to all the manufacturers who insist on shipping sub-par Android experiences.
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jcondon

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Re: Verizon

Still doesn't change the fact they are not major sellers and don't make that big a difference to the carriers in terms of subscribers. Very few average smart phone buyers care or even know about the Google Experience and of those who do not everyone one wants one.

Verizon doesn't need the LG Nexus 4. And without LTE it would suck anyway.

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said by jcondon:

Still doesn't change the fact they are not major sellers and don't make that big a difference to the carriers in terms of subscribers. Very few average smart phone buyers care or even know about the Google Experience and of those who do not everyone one wants one.

I was only making the point that Nexus's target market isn't just hackers.

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said by jcondon:

The Nexus line is for people who like to hack their phones or maybe 1% of Verizon customers. The Nexus is a niche phone. I went with the S3 as the camera on the Nexus phones will very likely always be sub par (software).

What is good about nexus for the carriers is they get lots of insight and help from Google to make their phones better.

»www.gottabemobile.com/2012/08/22···nuscule/

I would not say that's so true. Anyone that knows how to install custom rom's on their phone would go for the phone that has the best specs because pretty much every phone has great developers. Look at the S3, the boot loader was unlocked rather quickly.
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PastTense

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How much of Verizon's current footprint IS NOT 3G?

"Executives had said the company would match its 3G CDMA footprint with LTE coverage by the end of 2013."

How much of its current footprint IS NOT 3G? Why?
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Re: How much of Verizon's current footprint IS NOT 3G?

A vanishingly small percentage of VZW's network isn't 3G, and those sites are out in the middle of nowhere, far from bandwidth availability etc.

The bigger question is how much of Verizon's roaming coverage isn't 3G, for whatever reason. In central TX, Five Star Wireless/West Central Wireless has chosen GSM/HSPA+ as their upgrade path rather than EvDO, so their CDMA network is sitting at 1xRTT.

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Re: How much of Verizon's current footprint IS NOT 3G?

I know when roaming on US Cellulars network all you will get is 1xRTT and most of there network is 3G. I spent two weeks in Oaland, MD on storm dammage from Sandy and that really sucked. The funny thing is when I happen to be in Haggerstown I had Verizon LTE over extended network voice on US Cellular! Another interesting market expansion in that same part of the country was Morgantown, WV where Verizon put up a whole new network of 1xRTT for voice and LTE for data with no 3G at all. The way it looks for data they are mainly concentrating on LTE buildout from here on.
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There's one small stretch of I-20/59 (maybe five miles at the most) between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham where my phone always drops to 1x. I have no idea why that's the case, as the rest of the way is either LTE or 3G. I was hoping they'd fix it when they turned on LTE in Tuscaloosa, but it's still there.

Other than that, I noticed some 1x areas still on U.S. 82 across Mississippi, but that was a year and a half ago, I think, so I'm not sure of the status of those places now. Also, in Tuscaloosa, there are some places down 69S that are still 1x, and weak at that. That one is odd, since that area has exploded in terms of population in the last 10 years or so, making it by far the fastest-growing part of the metro area, yet Verizon's coverage has never quite caught up.
travelguy

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Really?

I'm on the fringe of VZW LTE coverage and am stuck with 3G. Will be interesting to see if they really will upgrade all their non-core towers to LTE in 6 months or if they are just playing games and counting some presence.
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Re: Really?

They won't be upgrading every tower to LTE-700, at least this time around.

I think though, at least with their original deadline, they were going to have LTE coverage everywhere they had 3G coverage before (on-net anyway). Which goes beyond just markets.
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What does "complete" mean?

The "end of 2013" time frame included all 3G areas getting LTE. Does the mid-2013 estimate still have this buildout milestone in mind, or will VZW stop short of upgrading all 3G areas to LTE for awhile?

I say this because, at this point, Sprint actually has LTE in a few (small) areas where VZW doesn't. I wonder when Verizon will catch up.

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Funny company

Last time I was in Grafton, WV which is one of their service areas, they were still only serving up 1x data. Do you really think they are going to jump from 1x to LTE in that area? I really doubt it.

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Re: Funny company

said by ropeguru:

Last time I was in Grafton, WV which is one of their service areas, they were still only serving up 1x data. Do you really think they are going to jump from 1x to LTE in that area? I really doubt it.

Why not? Why bother giving you 3G at this point?

CaptainRR
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I was in Grafton two weeks ago and yes they are still on 1x. But interestingly nearby Morgantown they just deployed LTE right over 1xRTT.

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Re: Funny company

said by CaptainRR:

I was in Grafton two weeks ago and yes they are still on 1x. But interestingly nearby Morgantown they just deployed LTE right over 1xRTT.

Are you sure that was a Verizon signal you were getting? Verizon doesn't sell service in Morgantown. They have it in the Clarksburg area then you are on US Cellular until you hit the PA state line.

So they must have just gotten and agreement with US Cellular to provide the data.

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Re: Funny company

That is a really funky setup in that part of West Virgina. Verizon bought PCS spectrum from Northcoast a few years back from Clarksburg to Morgantown including Fairmont. Pretty much piecemeal network. It was a good while before they started selling in the Clarksburg area after it was built out. They just fired up the 3G in Clarksburg not that long ago. As far as I know they are using there spectrum and built out 1x voice to go with the LTE in Morgantown. Like I said above the only place I get LTE with extended voice from US Cellular is from Hancock, MD to Hagerstown. I do indicate on my smartphone and wireless card Verizon wireless service in Morgantown now. I checked there coverage map and that also shows Verizon wiress service in that area also.

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A little dubious

I know they are building out far faster than anyone, but a look at a map shows A LOT of 3G areas left to be covered. And if you zoom in over half their 4G is actually "extended" 4G. And honestly in the "extended" 4G areas I have been in I have yet to get in any 4G it's always 3G.

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Re: A little dubious

There have been towers equipped with LTE antennas for months (mine) ... not turned on. Perhaps its a backhaul issue being addressed.
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CaptainRR
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Re: A little dubious

My problem is just the the other way around. They ran fiber to the cell site in my township a couple of years ago. No LTE!

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The extended part with a smartphone you probobly wont see LTE. My hotspot will pick up LTE in these areas that my smartphone wont due to the smartphone using a cell site with the strongest signal for voice. The modem dont care it sees a usable LTE signal it takes it.