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i would not hold my breath for verizon and just go with clear...as crappy as it may be...better than nothing right? | |
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Arlington, VA | said by vlad1000:i would not be surprised if they would say they're running late and they will only be deploying sometime early next year...i am not sure if any of you remember...but yes they did promise to have 2 markets active and running in late 2009....what are those markets? pluto and uranus? i would not hold my breath for verizon and just go with clear...as crappy as it may be...better than nothing right? I don't think that's quite accurate. I'm pretty sure they said they were testing LTE in 2 markets back in 2009..Boston and Seattle. They're not going to launch a product in only 2 markets at a time, when they do launch LTE it will be mainstream, probably pretty close to what AT&T has as their 3G coverage right now.
It took Verizon 2 years to convert 100% of its network from EV-DO Rev. 0 to A, and I have no doubt they will have nearly the entire country covered in LTE within 2-3 years. This is assuming of course, they get enough support for it. If they have some metered, over-priced marketed scheme, I'm wondering if the majority of people will just stick with the EV-DO service. | |
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2 edits | 4th Quarter?? Interesting that they are in such a rush considering there are ZERO handsets capable of EVDO/LTE handoff in production or even being seriously discussed.
My assumption, is that VZW will be selling data only capable laptop cards to the masses (the first real contender to Clear). If you're a wireless laptop card user, this should be good news.. As for everyone else who gets excited hearing the 4G moniker (and thinks it will immediately apply to the next gen iPhone), guess they are outta luck. | |
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1 edit | Re: 4th Quarter?? said by aztecnology:said by bdon78:Interesting that they are in such a rush considering their are ZERO handsets capable of EVDO/LTE handoff in production or even being seriously discussed. They are in a rush because AT&T will be testing LTE in the 4th quarter too. By the time the LTE handsets start rolling out next year AT&T will probably be right on their heels, so they are in a big time rush to launch... key word: AT&T will be "testing" in the 4th quarter. From what I've heard, AT&T is somewhat behind VZW.
And I agree 100% with the wireless card/phone debate. Of course we will see dongles, etc coming out first before phones. It probably won't be at least 10 months before we see LTE phones. | |
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Decatur, GA | Re: 4th Quarter?? Interesting points by all.. but there is one aspect to this to be considered as well. There are AT&T 3G towers that do not require significant work to upgrade to LTE, because the technology is similar to GSM. Theoretically that puts AT&T right with VZW.
AT&T has said from the beginning that their strategy is to deploy in 2011 because that's when handsets will become available... VZW may deploy in 4th quarter this year, but just how many new users will that bring in on their network for "data only"? Answer is, a good amount, BUT that is not where all the cash is, currently the cash is in handsets (with data). Expect the race to be closer than amateurs at USA Today or other major media outlets think it will be.
The real question is.. does AT&T keep iPhone exclusivity even longer. Even if you are not a fan of the phone, there is no denying the affect it has had on the industry and AT&T's revenues. If somehow AT&T inks a longer exclusivity deal, I imagine they will be pressured to roll out LTE in a hurry.
Time will tell, but boy oh boy, whoever at VZW turned down that deal with Apple should be written up. | |
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| Re: 4th Quarter?? said by bdon78:Interesting points by all.. but there is one aspect to this to be considered as well. There are AT&T 3G towers that do not require significant work to upgrade to LTE, because the technology is similar to GSM. Totally false. LTE (and WiMAX) are OFDMA based. It has precious little, if anything, in common with GSM. | |
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Decatur, GA | Re: 4th Quarter?? Correct you are and I didn't elaborate, but I will here. AT&T has been upgrading 1,900 cell sites (and pre-LTE back-haul) for HSPA 7.2 on the 850 MHz spectrum. Those sites are also being prepped for the 2011 LTE roll out on the 700 MHz (And the AWS 1710-1755 and 2110-2144 MHz ranges) all while keeping complete backward compatibility in mind. I assume the idea there is that when they determine LTE is ready, they can push SW to the towers... I am no expert.
I forget my audience here are not laymen. I'll try to dig up the article that discusses this for reference. | |
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kudos:13 | said by bdon78:There are AT&T 3G towers that do not require significant work to upgrade to LTE, because the technology is similar to GSM. Theoretically that puts AT&T right with VZW. What about their back haul? Verizon is running fiber to the towers to upgrade bandwidth capacity.
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| | | | | | | Re: 4th Quarter?? said by tim_k:said by bdon78:There are AT&T 3G towers that do not require significant work to upgrade to LTE, because the technology is similar to GSM. Theoretically that puts AT&T right with VZW. What about their back haul? Verizon is running fiber to the towers to upgrade bandwidth capacity. So is AT&T and probably more aggressively too with the beating they took last year. In the end AT&T probably has an equal or larger footprint of LTE come 2012, imo...
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Arlington, VA | Re: 4th Quarter?? said by aztecnology:said by tim_k:said by bdon78:There are AT&T 3G towers that do not require significant work to upgrade to LTE, because the technology is similar to GSM. Theoretically that puts AT&T right with VZW. What about their back haul? Verizon is running fiber to the towers to upgrade bandwidth capacity. So is AT&T and probably more aggressively too with the beating they took last year. In the end AT&T probably has an equal or larger footprint of LTE come 2012, imo... We will see about that... | |
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| Re: 4th Quarter?? said by Synbios:said by aztecnology:said by tim_k:said by bdon78:There are AT&T 3G towers that do not require significant work to upgrade to LTE, because the technology is similar to GSM. Theoretically that puts AT&T right with VZW. What about their back haul? Verizon is running fiber to the towers to upgrade bandwidth capacity. So is AT&T and probably more aggressively too with the beating they took last year. In the end AT&T probably has an equal or larger footprint of LTE come 2012, imo... We will see about that... Indeed. ATT has already stated that they're looking back into HSPA+ in areas before they transition to LTE.
The odds that ATT will have a larger LTE footprint than VZW are extremely low. ATT doesn't even own 700mhz in any rural areas (where 700mhz is most effective and useful). They'll be relying on 700mhz for Metro areas with 1700 used for increased capacity and, ironically, rural coverage in the plains. Verizon, otoh, has nationwide licensing on 700mhz, as well as a 2 year LTE head-start.
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Arlington, VA | Re: 4th Quarter?? said by tiger72:Indeed. ATT has already stated that they're looking back into HSPA+ in areas before they transition to LTE. The odds that ATT will have a larger LTE footprint than VZW are extremely low. ATT doesn't even own 700mhz in any rural areas (where 700mhz is most effective and useful). They'll be relying on 700mhz for Metro areas with 1700 used for increased capacity and, ironically, rural coverage in the plains. Verizon, otoh, has nationwide licensing on 700mhz, as well as a 2 year LTE head-start. 700 MHz attenuates less when after traveling through things such as trees and walls. But, it is pretty bad at bending around corners which is needed in a city.
The higher bands like 1700 and 1900 are much more effective in city environments. If you have a highly metallic structure like a building, the chance of that signal passing throughout without being severely attenuated is pretty low even at 700 MHz. You have a much better chance of getting the signal through windows and around corners. | |
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| Re: 4th Quarter?? said by Synbios:said by tiger72:Indeed. ATT has already stated that they're looking back into HSPA+ in areas before they transition to LTE. The odds that ATT will have a larger LTE footprint than VZW are extremely low. ATT doesn't even own 700mhz in any rural areas (where 700mhz is most effective and useful). They'll be relying on 700mhz for Metro areas with 1700 used for increased capacity and, ironically, rural coverage in the plains. Verizon, otoh, has nationwide licensing on 700mhz, as well as a 2 year LTE head-start. 700 MHz attenuates less when after traveling through things such as trees and walls. But, it is pretty bad at bending around corners which is needed in a city. The higher bands like 1700 and 1900 are much more effective in city environments. If you have a highly metallic structure like a building, the chance of that signal passing throughout without being severely attenuated is pretty low even at 700 MHz. You have a much better chance of getting the signal through windows and around corners. I believe ATT's strategy for most Americans is going to be much better long-term. But when referring solely to "coverage" (ie the marketing maps), their choice to not buy 700mhz coverage in some rural areas will be seen as a problem (whether it really is or not)
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Verizon will be nation wide with LTE by 2012 according to current plans and in more cities than ATT from the very start.
Please. AT&T has the easy migration path to LTE where as Verizon essentially has to build out across the entire country. Which is why Verizon is hoping they can launch in 2 dozen markets by the end of the year.
This may be why Verizon has stopped capex spending for FiOS, they have to pour all their cash into the wireless network.
I think come 2012 (18 months or so) that AT&T will have probably caught up to Verizon...
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| Re: 4th Quarter?? said by DarnellP:said by aztecnology:Please. AT&T has the easy migration path to LTE Really? How so? Well isn't it obvious? Their 3G rollout (or lack thereof) was a well-planned stepping stone. Since they spent very little and completed deployment to only a 10th of the country, it mans AT&T has TONS of capital, and a full LTE rollout plan ready to go!  | |
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»www.internetnews.com/mobility/ar···/3864581
"Terms of the agreement between the three companies ensure that any new 3G equipment that is deployed will have the capability to be easily converted to LTE for the 2011 roll out, so don’t let that scare you off. Also of note: Alcatel-Lucent and Ericsson currently supply AT&T with their 3G networking equipment".
»www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/···network/
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1 edit | Re: 4th Quarter?? said by wayne8888:LTE will also be used ....I imagine...... to appease the areas like Baltimore, Boston and many others that will not be getting FIOS (although we are surrounded by FIOS). At 5-12 mbps, it already eclipses their fastest (pathetic 3mbps) DSL. We already have home modems for Clear in Baltimore and other cities and at 700 mghz, LTE should penetrate buildings better than the Clear signals (2.5 ghz) which often necessitates placing the modem near a window. I don't really think LTE will appeal to people living in boston that cannot get FIOS. The main reason why FIOS has not entered boston, but surrounds it, is because of the mayor's ties with comcast.
Sure FTTH is more future proof, but for right now, Comcast's DOCSIS 3.0 is more than enough to keep most of us boston residents happy.
For the price, the speeds comcast provide are just as good as FIOS IMO.
(fyi, I live in Boston and have Comcast, but I also have an apartment in Worcester with Charter which is what it says in my profile) | |
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Right now there's a big data problem with my local tower. I've had unusable internet for 9 days and counting, so *any* positive developments are more than what I've got now.
I just hope they don't spoil it all with 5G caps. That is a dealbreaker. Been there with Wildblue, done that, won't do it again. | |
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Arlington, VA | I'm glad the iPhone is not for VZW, as it has really pushed the competition to strive, notably Android and even BB to some extent.
*cough*Being an anti-Apply guy myself*cough* I'm glad there is strong competition to choose from as other options.
But back to the AT&T argument, I know LTE is a 3GPP standard like GSM, but I don't know if that really helps AT&T that much. Perhaps it will aid them in designing soft-handoffs, but in terms of upgrading infrastructure: does it really make much of a difference? I'd be interested to see some sources on this. | |
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| said by bdon78:Interesting that they are in such a rush considering there are ZERO handsets capable of EVDO/LTE handoff in production or even being seriously discussed. My assumption, is that VZW will be selling data only capable laptop cards to the masses (the first real contender to Clear). If you're a wireless laptop card user, this should be good news.. As for everyone else who gets excited hearing the 4G moniker (and thinks it will immediately apply to the next gen iPhone), guess they are outta luck. yup, this is pretty much public knowledge...
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Decatur, GA | Re: 4th Quarter?? said by Frink:said by bdon78:Interesting that they are in such a rush considering there are ZERO handsets capable of EVDO/LTE handoff in production or even being seriously discussed. My assumption, is that VZW will be selling data only capable laptop cards to the masses (the first real contender to Clear). If you're a wireless laptop card user, this should be good news.. As for everyone else who gets excited hearing the 4G moniker (and thinks it will immediately apply to the next gen iPhone), guess they are outta luck. yup, this is pretty much public knowledge... » www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/veri···ices-fi/ Frink, you are correct... which makes it even more interesting that the article didn't mention the public knowledge at all... | |
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Camden, TN | said by bdon78:My assumption, is that VZW will be selling data only capable laptop cards to the masses (the first real contender to Clear). If you're a wireless laptop card user, this should be good news.. Unless they still insist on 5 GB caps and $51.20 per GB overage fees. Then I don't see any reason to jump up and down for joy. | |
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| | | | Re: 4th Quarter?? Agreed. My Clear laptop modem gives me 3mb to 9mb, with no real cap for $25/month.
Why would I pay VZW to use LTE at more than twice the price for a small 5gb cap? | |
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However, Lynch previously has indicated that the carrier will be adopting a usage-based pricing model for LTE.
This should give Sprint/Clearwire the edge.
Sprint currently offers 3G/4G Overdrive for same monthly rate as 3G and truly unlimited for 4G (so far). Will be interesting to see how Sprint handles rates for WiMAX Evo phone coming this summer. If it is same as 3G data plan, I'll make the jump. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Verizon planning usage-based model said by xenophon: quote:
However, Lynch previously has indicated that the carrier will be adopting a usage-based pricing model for LTE.
You mean like ALREADY they do now for 3G? | |
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| done If the lame history of technology deevolution in this country shows anything, this will die pretty quick. We know they will cap it at a pathetic 5 gigs.. Whats that? no? theres competition? Why then, why do we have three major providers all with the same CAP of 5 GIGS? Competition? Thats just a bunch of biscuit water.. LTE will likely start out great with promise, but greed will kick in, and either the towers will be overloaded, or they will simply take too big of an advantage of the market and just make it unenjoyable... | |
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