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Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC |  What a terrible idea!
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: What a terrible idea! People should have listened to Greg Moffett. | |
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| JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| You are confusing Verizon having a fiber backbone and Verizon actually deciding to extend that fiber to a customer's home. Verizon would most likely have leased access to fiber backbone no matter if they went ahead with FIOS or not. ATT, Comcast and Sprint all do the same thing in area that they have a fiber entry way. The same goes for space on towers. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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1 edit | Re: What a terrible idea! said by JSRoman  :You are confusing Verizon having a fiber backbone and Verizon actually deciding to extend that fiber to a customer's home. Verizon would most likely have leased access to fiber backbone no matter if they went ahead with FIOS or not. ATT, Comcast and Sprint all do the same thing in area that they have a fiber entry way. The same goes for space on towers. Actually, I'm not. A few links deep they specifically mention that they are using the FiOS fiber for this: »www.telecommagazine.com/article.···=AR_3083
To deliver its fiber-based ETAG (Ethernet Transport and Aggregation) backhaul service, which it plans to launch later this year, Verizon Partner Solutions will leverage its ongoing FiOS FTTP (fiber-to the premise) BPON and GPON network investments and pseudowire technology. | |
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hroo772
Darkness Fears Me
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join:2002-04-05
Mclean, VA
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| What a great idea Verizon has put alot of money into their fiber network even when investors hated them for doing it. Now that its in place, people are realizing that they made a smart move switching to deploying fiber. I think this is a great revenue stream in a time when wireless bandwidth usage continues to escalate. | |
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| alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| I think the story here is.... .... that, up until this point, Verizon saw WISPs as competition and either refused to provide backhaul to them or jacked up the rates to a ridiculous amount.
Can any WISP operators confirm if this is the case?
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: I think the story here is.... many WISPs do not have the $$$ to pay for fiber like Verizon is now offering. It's always been available just at the high price. You can get the samething from ATT if you have the $$$$$. | |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | Re: I think the story here is.... are you a WISP? | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
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| Re: I think the story here is.... no but i worked for one. But like said many IPSs do NOT have the money to pay for the fiber. Do you have the $2,000+ for the fiber connection? if you do i'm sure some WISPs would be willing to take that money. For a T3 alone it costs that much in most of the country. by VZ playing "God" and announcing that Fiber is available for carriers does nothing except give the major players the upper hand. Mom and Pop ISPs can NOT pay for that. Hell many WISPs use xDSL connections or even Cable for their backbone connection.
Tell how they can afford the Fiber connection if they can barley afford a "business class' cable connection or a few xDSL connections. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
2 edits | Re: I think the story here is.... T1 bandwidth is still cheaper than fiber circuits after installation charges. Lets blow 10 years of monthly service fees to install this fiber, when the bandwidth is just as expensive and measured in kbps. You pay Verizon to install the fiber, and then your given a tiny kbps cut of that fiber, and you don't even own what you had installed. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: I think the story here is.... I know T1s are cheaper than Fiber. That was the point i was trying to make. But in some areas T1s are out of the question for many providers as well and rely on cable or DSL. | |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: I think the story here is.... said by hottboiinnc :I know T1s are cheaper than Fiber. That was the point i was trying to make. But in some areas T1s are out of the question for many providers as well and rely on cable or DSL. Okay, thanks, I missed the point you were trying to make. (You and I are so often opposed on opinions, I'm a little used to it!)
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: This is brilliant! They already offer this. It's been offered as I said above. You just have to have the $$$$ to pay for it. Fiber was in place weeeell Before FiOS was ever thought of. How do you think that they got bandwidth to the VZW towers where they owned Fiber? You don't think they used T1s or DSL do ya?
If you got the $$$$ to get a fiber connection off the actual VZ Fiber Backbone then they'll give it to ya. | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: This is brilliant! Correct, but now with FiOS fiber is so near the tower that it's relatuvely cheap to go all the way. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: This is brilliant! how do you figure the fiber is closer to the Tower? For all you all of the towers could have fiber to them already. FiOS did nothing to make fiber available at any tower. And I highly doubt they'll give you a 50/20 fiber link to resell.
Karl is taking something he sees as "new" and turning it into something that has been offered for YEARS!
And as I have said before- ATT, VZ, and Google are Gods on here to him. They give him and Justin $$$ for giving them thumbs up for everything and never posting anything neg about them. They can claim they don't all they want but if it wasn't true you'd see all kinds of stories on here about Google being sued in Small Claims Court, how one group is asking the Courts to stop GMail and Google Docs until Google can improve their polices on "privacy" and such.
You'd also see more stores on how ATT and VZ rip their customers off. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: This is brilliant! The fiber was already in place to towers. The fiber was only in places where they had the fiber to start off with. Like if the Tower is in an ATT service area VZ is not going to run you a fiber line there- especially FiOS.
VZ is running carrier grade services to towers where people can afford them. You should go look at their Carrier Page along with ATT's. The service has been sold for years how do you think calls get routed off the towers where there is no backhual and no t1's.
Comcast and TWC does the same thing. | |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY | oh, the irony the irony here, of course, is that Verizon scoffed at the idea of sharing their network when CLEC's were looking to use the Verizon infrastructure after the Telecom Act of 1996. | |
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anon10101011
@verizon.net
| FIBER has always been the future of Telecom Also one the main reasons Verizon is at a point to able to provide longhaul traffic is due to merger/purchasing of MCI. MCI has an extensive international Fiber Optic back bone. This was probably one of the smartest moves Verizon ever made. One of the reasons MCI had so much debt was due to purchase and placing of thier backbone. When i worked for MCI just for fun if a customer called in issue with a circuit in California I would build a test circuit using test equipment in Spain, just to test thier circuit and thier would no differnce if i had used a test test node next door to them. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: FIBER has always been the future of Telecom Sounds like that was a cool job back in the day. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| step-up Verizon's FIOS network mainly proves that the cable companies were not willing to step up to the plate with a full-throttle deployment of docsis 3.0! Much of the cable industry pulls their dirty tricks to limit usage due to the popularity of downloading content vs buying video packages.
The cable companies that do compete on price leave FIOS in a premium broadband vs ordinary docsis broadband (usually priced lower than comparable fios in similar tier levels).
Where else to generate ROI? Wireless.. and they will milk that for all it's worth. As long as consumers see value in mobile broadband... vs freeloading on WIFI networks.
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Verizon Leases Fiber For Wireless Backhaul
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