 | | Value? I've upgraded from 25/25 for $70 to 50/25 for $80 back in July. Though 25/25 was fine (as far as downloads), with the inability to stream Youtube at 1080p even 10% of the time, I'm seriously questioning whether 50/25 is good value or not. | |
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| | | | Re: Value? I don't think the 50/25 will fix the YouTube issue. I am having issues with lag on Youtube vids within Xbox Live. It is a joke. Video plays for 5 secs then for almost a minute, spinning (what is that, discs?). And Xbox Live changed channels (Comedy is gone) in YouTube so you have to have You Tube account and customize. Eff that.
CDN (folks running traceroutes on ATT Uverse, and rogers, and Comcast are showing drops somewhere down the line...).
Call me conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past "carriers" that have "content" to throttle You tube somehow (or so many are watching YouTube that "it" needs serious bump in delivery ...
"Ya broke me pipes!" 
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| | | | | Re: Value? Agreed its not a bandwidth issue from your ISP. Its either carriers throttling or YouTube with load issues. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Value? it is YouTube. I know people that use FIOS, Comcast and they all have latency issues | |
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| | | | | Have you tried upping the quality you are watching in? When I had those issues (TW, 10/1) sometimes it actually helped to watch in 720p instead of 360p. Makes no sense, but whatever (may have been a firefox issue with saving tabs, which I also fixed recently, or that weird OpenDNS-youtube path issue).
Yeah, it's infuriating to have that much speed and still be unable to watch youtube normally. | |
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| | | | | said by cableties  Call me conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past "carriers" that have "content" to throttle You tube somehow (or so many are watching YouTube that "it" needs serious bump in delivery ...
"Ya broke me pipes!"
I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, more like a case of major incompetence when it comes to the way VZ handles their DNS. It is comically sad when a mobile connection can buffer quicker. Many are starting to agree that for optimal use you have to register for an alternative such as OpenDNS or you can just plug right up to Google's public DNS without an account. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Value? DNS has nothing to do with how a video buffers. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Value? said by silbaco:DNS has nothing to do with how a video buffers.
Indeed. Don't get me wrong: I'll plug OpenDNS and Google DNS (or even Level3, though those technically aren't public...) over Comcast's DNS servers all day and night. Still, they have absolutely nothing to do with the situation right now. | |
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| | |  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| said by cableties:Call me conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past "carriers" that have "content" to throttle You tube somehow (or so many are watching YouTube that "it" needs serious bump in delivery ...
"Ya broke me pipes!"
I think the YouTube problem is BECAUSE so many now have access to 25Mbps +++ connections that aggregate total bandwidth can at time overwhelm the CDN's gateway AND servers at times of high demand.
It's not throttling, it's demand exceeding available resources...an exoflood if you like that term | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: Value? Yeah, it's peering and bandwidth. I have the same issue on Comcast. | |
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| noclip
join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA | Agreed on the bad youtube connection. I can hit 10MB/sec constantly on my 75/35 with usenet, but sometimes I even have trouble streaming the 240p with nothing else downloading! I have to resort to using multi-threaded flash video downloaders to even hit 1MB/sec. | |
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| | | its not your internets problem with slow youtube streams its youtube them self, there either throttling everyone or just suffering peak hours i only notice slow youtube streams between 5pm and 12am | |
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|  bohratomJersey Shore will rise again
join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ | Considering that Youtube's heavily compressed 1080p streams only eat up around 8mbs of bandwidth you will not see any improvement going from 25 to 50mbs. | |
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| | | | Re: Value? said by bohratom:Considering that Youtube's heavily compressed 1080p streams only eat up around 8mbs of bandwidth you will not see any improvement going from 25 to 50mbs.
Considering YouTube doesn't stream and instead actually buffers playback by downloading, this is a moot point. Theoretically, they SHOULD see a significant improvement. | |
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| | | bohratomJersey Shore will rise again
join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ | Re: Value? said by PapaMidnight:Considering YouTube doesn't stream and instead actually buffers playback by downloading, this is a moot point. You have no clue how both Google and Akamai peer and provide data do you?
Guess not... | |
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| | Boost the Boosters! Hopefully Cablevision gives us a "Boost" to 75/15 or something like that too for no cost to compete 
(Not talking about the standard tier obviously, Boost Plus is currently at 50/8Mbps) | |
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join:2005-12-12
Fayetteville, NY
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| What the heck, it's only money A 25/25 customer now, I am going to bite on this promo. Brings my bill up to $74/month.
Let's see what sites/services will actually benefit from this increased speed now. Can't help but think it is like having a Lamborghini in Manhattan traffic. | |
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| | | | Re: What the heck, it's only money said by v35_pilot:Despite the site telling me it would take a day to upgrade, they had the speed upgrade in place about 30 minutes after the order was placed.
Upgrade done in 5 mins. Yeah baby!
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| | | v35_pilotWhoops, there goes another AMUPremium
join:2005-12-12
Fayetteville, NY | Re: What the heck, it's only money Wow, look at all that fluff you are getting on the upload speed! That's nice.
For some reason my account has always struggled to get the 25mbps up, even after calling to complain. | |
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| | | | Hi, how do you get such high speed from your router. Which router do you use? I upgraded but my max speed wireless is 39/28, if wired 58/39. I have the MI424WR-GEN2 ver. F router, setting is to Performance N only.
Do I need to buy the Gig-N router from FiOS to get the max 50/25 speed? | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by v35_pilot:Let's see what sites/services will actually benefit from this increased speed now. Can't help but think it is like having a Lamborghini in Manhattan traffic. That's more or less why they can offer 50mbps for not that much more...most people can't/won't utilize the extra speed. As in your case, there isn't much that you legitimately need 50mbps for that 25mbps doesn't provide. Yes you might get you are downloading twice as fast if the sender has the bandwidth. And then what? The connection already sits near idle browsing the web. Streaming 1080p content won't max out 25mbps. Large software downloads complete faster...but how often do you really need that? Even P2P or other file sharing can max out the pipe but it's not really needed...a 2 hour BD can be downloaded almost as fast as it can be watched. | |
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| | v35_pilotWhoops, there goes another AMUPremium
join:2005-12-12
Fayetteville, NY Reviews:
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| Re: What the heck, it's only money said by cdru:That's more or less why they can offer 50mbps for not that much more...most people can't/won't utilize the extra speed. As in your case, there isn't much that you legitimately need 50mbps for that 25mbps doesn't provide. Agreed - I do have three very active Internet users (older children) at home so at any given time I don't necessarily have to worry about bandwidth constraints any more, but in general how much of this pipe will go unused? I will take note of that. | |
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| | | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: What the heck, it's only money said by v35_pilot:but in general how much of this pipe will go unused? It depends on what exactly you're doing.
Loading pretty much any non-streaming webpage almost all your bandwidth goes unused. Say you have a ridiculously heavy news article that is 10MB fully downloaded and it takes you 3 minutes to read the article. With a 25mbits connection, it takes approximately 4 seconds to download full speed. 4/180 seconds = .022 or 2.2% utilization during that 3 minutes. Streaming a high quality netflix stream is around 5Mbps. So 5/25 = 20% utilization.
Downloading a large system update or a game is just going to depend on the size of the file and if the sending server can saturate the line. I might be able to get 1-2MBps (that's megabytes) for a large service pack from Microsoft, so if you got similar you'd still have 1/3 your connection unused during that download. | |
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| | | | said by cdru:That's more or less why they can offer 50mbps for not that much more...most people can't/won't utilize the extra speed.
I went from 15/5 to 50/25 so the speed bump was substantial. I have two network connected TVs running Netflix. I just downloaded a 3Gig ISO (MSDN) in about 10 mins whereas it would have taken at least 30 mins previously.
Do I need the bandwidth now? No, but historically, my bandwidth consumption has always increased. I went from dialup to DSL to cable, then fiber. Each time, there was always an application that *required* the extra bandwidth. (think email, web, VOIP, Skype,Netflix, Roku).
Must as well get used to the bigger pipe now. | |
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| | hm ok? I am lost why was I able to upgrade from 50/25 to 75/35 for 10$ (but actually 5$ because of my discount) so normally I would pay 10$ wasn't the upgrade difference from 15/5 to 50/25 , 5$ anyways? | |
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| ?? This already was in place in their current "RAI$ED" pricing... internet tiers for 15/5, 25/25 and 50/25 were spaced about $10 apart... notice they don't seem to advertise the 15/5 speed except in entry level triple play.. so in actuality, you'd pay $20 more..
I noticed something kind of sad, a FIOS commercial showing 10 megabits (on a seemingly 15 megabit cable connection) boost to 47 egabits on a seemingly 50 megabit connection during comparable speed tests... assuming cablevision & verizon as the carriers in the NY metro market. Nowhere do I see 15 megabit connections work as 10mbit... unless there is a problem. Conversely, 99% of fios 50 megabit connections register MORE than 50 megabits as do optimum boost... so why advertise that both companies have deflated real world speeds when on average they do not? And if they do, YOU the consumer should complain..
Perhaps if the plans all got a price CUT of $10 each this might actually be a story worth commenting on... | |
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 loliPremium
join:2002-08-26
South Richmond Hill, NY | So... I'm on the 35/35 option. Will 10 bucks give me 50/25 or 75/35. Either way, I mostly enjoy the upload. They should make it 5 bucks! | |
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| | | Re: So... said by loli:I'm on the 35/35 option. Will 10 bucks give me 50/25 or 75/35. Either way, I mostly enjoy the upload. They should make it 5 bucks!
$10 will give you 50/25 according to this. So you'd be losing upload speed.
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| Re: So... said by ExoticFish:said by loli:I'm on the 35/35 option. Will 10 bucks give me 50/25 or 75/35. Either way, I mostly enjoy the upload. They should make it 5 bucks!
$10 will give you 50/25 according to this. So you'd be losing upload speed. True, they renegged on symmetric bandwidth, then jacked rates up.. unless your grandfathered in on one of those plans. BTW, if you want to see what REAL fiber can do... Verizon is not doing right by the consumer.. Google is:
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=edhQCmEJjZw | |
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| | | RDC17
join:2011-05-15
Baltimore, MD | Re: So... Google is using an active ethernet setup for their Fiber offering while Verizon uses PON. For Verizon, it would cost even more than the $23 billion or so they have spent to use an active ethernet network over PON. For Google, they can afford to use AE since they are dealing with a single city. | |
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| | | | Agreed. If they are trying to eliminate the 35/35 tier or whatever, which I have, 50/25 should basically be the same price. It is definately not worth an extra $10/mo, especially since they are giving the same deal to 25/10 customers. I was thinking about calling them to point this out. | |
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| OwlSaverOwlSaverPremium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA | I have the 35/35 also. I see no reason to go to 50/25. Last time I checked, I could not get the 70/35 speed - must be because of my GPON or such. | |
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| Re: So... said by OwlSaver:I have the 35/35 also. I see no reason to go to 50/25. Last time I checked, I could not get the 70/35 speed - must be because of my GPON or such.
With fluff the upload is close to 39 mbps that is what I had when I was on 50/25 , upgraded to 75/35 and didn't see upload difference. | |
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| | 15/5 I live alone and if I had two or three people living in my household. I would have at least the 150Mbps package. | |
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| | | Re: 15/5 I'd be happy to drop back from 30/5 to 15/5 for $10 less... think Verizon will "bite"?  | |
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 antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4 | Bah. How about expanding to more areas? :P | |
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Tev41
join:2002-12-22
Arlington, VA | Not available to everyone apparently Just tried to upgrade my bundle. It's not available thru their website or by chatting with the rep. Just said to call their business office. Sure, when I have a few hours to spare...  | |
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navyson
join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD | Youtube problems A number of folks here have complained about Youtube streaming issues. I have been having this problem along time even with my new 50/25 FIOS speeds.
After researching the issue on the internet, I have found a solution that works for me.
1. Play a youtube video
2. Right mouse click and go to settings
3. Uncheck the box that says "enable hardware acceleration"
4. Click close
Ever since then, my youtube videos have been playing great with no buffering. | |
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| | Saw this on TV commercial. Tempting as I have been sitting on extremeHD + 15/5 for many years for well under $100...but despite temptation I just dont see a use for it. Never been a fan of torrents...was a heavy usenet user for decades untill DMCA takedowns started making it a pain late last year, thus moved on to netflix now. I dont download big linux ISO's or anything like that either....so what it boils down to is 15/5 is still fine for streaming video and such, and the only thing the speed bump would really do for me is make random small downloads take slightly less time. Just doesnt seem worth $120/yr given that, despite how good that upgrade looks on the surface. | |
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| | Great deal I had the 15/5 for $54.99, and had been trying for months to try and call to get a deal for a higher speed that would take into account somehow the grandfathered rate I have, but my bill would have increased by about $30 which I couldn't justify. Boy am I glad I waited, I will gladly pay $64.99 for 50/25. With ethernet I have been able to get those speeds, over Wifi I get about 21/20, any suggestions? | |
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| Re: Great deal said by Willy087 :I had the 15/5 for $54.99, and had been trying for months to try and call to get a deal for a higher speed that would take into account somehow the grandfathered rate I have, but my bill would have increased by about $30 which I couldn't justify. Boy am I glad I waited, I will gladly pay $64.99 for 50/25. With ethernet I have been able to get those speeds, over Wifi I get about 21/20, any suggestions?
Ahem, actually.. it's $20.. you forgot the bump to 25 first..
$10 to get to 25mbit, then another $10 to ge to 50 ($74.99)
Worth it? Not really, the cost to Verizon is less than 30 cents per unlimited megabit-- so a fair price would be $1 per megabit these days. | |
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| | | | Re: Great deal Not sure how you get there, I was paying $54.99 for 15/5, now I pay $64.00 for 50/25 | |
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| | | | | Re: Great deal OMG, you were paying $54.99 for 15/5???? No wonder they gave you 50/25 for $10 more. I am currently paying $40 for 35/35, and I thought that paying an extra $10 more for me to convert to 50/25 was ridiculous, but it's a bargain compared to what you've spending.
I'm going to give them a call about converting, but from my perspective the conversion should free, or no more than $5... and you should try to get them to reduce your cost to $50 max. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Great deal I think your $40 for 35/35 is bundled price for Internet only while Willy1's $54.99 for 15/5 is Internet only price without any other service from Verizon. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Great deal That would explain it, but it amazes me how much more they charge for non-bundled subscribers. | |
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| | New Router Upgrade Thought this might be worth posting for those thinking about upgrading and want wireless performance that will be able to take advantage of the 50/25 speed, since wireless performance is limited with most of Verizon's current routers...
»teleproducts.verizon.com/filesha···hure.pdf | |
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