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kudos:4 | Re: Excellent Cox carries it but its extra. I think we got one free week of NFL before it went into the pay tier.
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But even if you don't have that Verizon option, you can still watch the game on regular TV and go to »www.nfl.com/gameday and »www.nfl.com/gamecenter to get all the running stats on your PC while watching the game. And this feature is available to any game you can get on your TV - not just the NFL Network games. | |
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kudos:4 | said by TurtleFan:Personally, I'm glad the cable companies are refusing. As a non sports fan, our bill tends too go higher when these things are added. As far as I'm concerned, all Sports networks should come in a bundled for pay service, alla the 12 HBO's or Stars... I agree. Though I am a football fan, I usually just watch my local team which has every game on regular TV. I will occasionally watch a big game like Colts/Patriots. But I don't want my cable bill increased just because the NFL Network won't do deals to put their network on Sports tiers and insist it be added to the basic tier at a high price.
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| | | | Totally. I'd almost be willing to pay more to keep the NFL *off* of my program choices.
I prefer football that's still being played as a sport instead of a business, thank you. | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: When Does It Start? Will Tonights Game be Available? I can see it now:
You don't want to be in the phonebook fee $1.50
You don't want NFL Network fee $1.50
You didn't use enough long distance fee $2.50
Parking lot restriping recovery fee $1.50
Employee consumer math education recovery fee $2.50
Congress bribery recovery fee $6.50 | |
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| | | | | | Re: When Does It Start? Will Tonights Game be Available? I love that last one (2 thumbs up)... but isn't that already covered in the "cost of doing business" category? | |
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I prefer football that's still being played as a sport instead of a business, thank you.
Where would that be? College intramurals? Even high schools treat their teams as revenue generators.
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| | | | | | Re: When Does It Start? Will Tonights Game be Available? D-II and D-III actually. Plus, they actually have playoffs instead of that sucko BCS. | |
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| | | | | Re: When Does It Start? Will Tonights Game be Available? Well, whether you buy into it or not, where do you think all of those *billions* of dollars come from to pay those outrageous pro athlete salaries? The owners & leagues charge billions for TV rights -> the manufacturers & advertisers & whoever else pay for placing their ads on CBS/NBC/ABC/TNT/et al -> and we, the consumer, whether we pay for channels or not, whether we watch the games or not, we're paying 2, 3, and more times as much as some product would otherwise cost for almost *everything* that we buy so that every manufacturer of any product can recover their costs for advertising. There isn't one pro athlete alive, now or ever, who's worth those million dollar "salaries". If they had to earn their money solely from the revenues of only those willing to pay to watch them play, then they wouldn't even "earn" 6 figures. We're all subsidizing them anyway, so grin and bear it. | |
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Camden, TN | said by TurtleFan:Personally, I'm glad the cable companies are refusing. As a non sports fan, our bill tends too go higher when these things are added. As far as I'm concerned, all Sports networks should come in a bundled for pay service, alla the 12 HBO's or Stars... That's BS. They will raise rates anyways. The NLF wants 70 cents charter wants to charge me $5. Tell me where is the fairness in that? Tell me who is greedy.
Charter just annouced prices hikes because they added ESPNU and NHL Network( their own words ) even though these are only avilable to those on the Sports Tier. So how does that mesh with your "Only offer it on the sports tier so non-sports fans don't get charged" theory? | |
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Camden, TN | said by NOYB:When Does It Start? Will Tonights Game be Available? 1st game isn't until next week | |
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Osseo, MN |  Just an ongoing fight between the NFL and cable
I know when I got my current digital channel package the NFL channel was on it but at some point before this season started they took it off and moved it to a premium channel. While I may like to see the games I do not want to pay more than I already am for a couple games a year. | |
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Hyde Park, NY | Re: Just an ongoing fight between the NFL and cable I have DirecTv (which has NFL network) but can't get hi-def (too many trees to cut down). I'd switch to CableVision for the hd, but won't because the NFL network isn't available (not even for extra $$$). Sigh. | |
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| | | | Re: Just an ongoing fight between the NFL and cable You already have line of sight but you can't get High-def? I've never heard that before... | |
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1 edit | Re: Just an ongoing fight between the NFL and cable said by Karl Bode:You already have line of sight but you can't get High-def? I've never heard that before... To pick up the HD channels you need a new dish and have to change the aiming point slightly to pick up the new bird. Maybe the new angle brings some more trees in to play. | |
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Hyde Park, NY | Re: Just an ongoing fight between the NFL and cable Yep, I have a very narrow break in the trees that enables me to get the SD birds, but the HD birds are behind 5 or 6 really big ones that I'd be loathe to cut down (would seriously degrade the beauty of the yard as well as cost a ton). | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | Good for cable While I LOVE the NFL and watched NFL Network on E*, I'm so glad that these cable operators are saying no to the outrageous prices these sports networks want for their channels. | |
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kudos:1 | NFL & NBA Games Should All be Pay-Per-View
That is how it ought to be.
Want to watch a game? Pay for it.
Do not want to watch a game. Do not have to subsidize it.
Either that or they should be commercial sponsored and free to the subscriber.
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kudos:4 | [POLL] Should cable be forced to carry NFL Network ?
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| | | Re: [POLL] Should cable be forced to carry NFL Network ? As someone else posted earlier, the problem I have with organized sports is the fact it's just money revenue now. That, and these business are so controlling on where there stuff gets posted, how, when, etc...it's a fricken' sport for peats sake, have fun with it  .
I heard something earlier that one of the Yankees was renegotiating his contract for $48 million, or some ridiculous price like that.. With all these endorsement deals, there should be a salary cap on players. No more than $3 million a year....more than enough for anyone too live off of.
It'd be interesting too see how much the price would drop on these channels if that where the case..
I do, however, remember watching a lower ranked football game (I think it was called XFL) that was rather fun too watch on NBC. Moved a bit quicker, too.. | |
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| | | | Re: [POLL] Should cable be forced to carry NFL Network ? said by TurtleFan:I heard something earlier that one of the Yankees was renegotiating his contract for $48 million, or some ridiculous price like that.. With all these endorsement deals, there should be a salary cap on players. No more than $3 million a year....more than enough for anyone too live off of. It'd be interesting too see how much the price would drop on these channels if that where the case.. I do, however, remember watching a lower ranked football game (I think it was called XFL) that was rather fun too watch on NBC. Moved a bit quicker, too.. That's what this country needs to make things right. A society with communist and socialist roots. When people say things like "athletes shouldn't make so much", I believe they make those statements out of envy and jealousy. Those folks either have a lot of money or have no shot of EARNING really good money in their life. If athletes had their salary cut, do you think costs would go down? If you do you are naive. It'll just transfer from the millionaire players to the billionaire owners.
The players deserve the money because they are the ones putting on the show. Should actors get paid less because you feel they make too much? No one complains about their pay. The truth is a FEW athletes make tens of millions or have endorsement contracts. Most athletes have 1-3 careers and get real jobs after pro sports, so they should take as much as they can get. If you had any athletic ability, you would too.
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| | | | | Re: [POLL] Should cable be forced to carry NFL Network ? True.. but in this case I wasn't talking about the regular guys, just the hadnfull that make $20,000,000 or so. I know nothing about the business of baseball, but it would be interesting too see how it all breaks down and what goes toward paying that much amount of money....
I can always dream of making the pro bowling circuit and get a $1,000,000 a check myself | |
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Camden, TN | said by Romney2012:If the NFL had its way, cable companies would be forced to carry the NFL Network on Basic or Basic/Digital tiers and be forced to charge all users whether they wanted it or not. Please. "forced" haha. MLB is "forcing" Charter to carry MLB Channel on basic tiers otherwise they can't offer MLB EXtra Innings. Appearantly Charter doesn't mind charging non-sports fans for that channel.
Fact is the NFL will eventually offer NFL Sunday Ticket to cable companies that also carry NFL Network and see how fast these cable companies start showing NFL Network on basic tiers regargless of who it is "forced" upon. Hypocrisy at it's finiest. | |
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1 edit | Re: [POLL] Should cable be forced to carry NFL Network ? said by BF69:said by Romney2012:If the NFL had its way, cable companies would be forced to carry the NFL Network on Basic or Basic/Digital tiers and be forced to charge all users whether they wanted it or not. Please. "forced" haha. Yes forced. Perhaps you missed the part where the NFL is trying to get the politicians to force Comcast to carry the NFL Network on basic tiers.
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Camden, TN | Re: [POLL] Should cable be forced to carry NFL Network ? said by Romney2012:said by BF69:said by Romney2012:If the NFL had its way, cable companies would be forced to carry the NFL Network on Basic or Basic/Digital tiers and be forced to charge all users whether they wanted it or not. Please. "forced" haha. Yes forced. Perhaps you missed the part where the NFL is trying to get the politicians to force Comcast to carry the NFL Network on basic tiers. Perhaps you missed the part where ALL these same companies are perfectly willing to let MLB "force" them to carry MLB Channel on basic tiers so they can still offer Extra Innings. Now if it's wrong for non-sports fans to subsidiize football how is some ok to subsidize baseball? Until these companies can explain their hypocrisy they can get of their righteous high horse.
As I said if the NFL came out TODAY and said "Ok carry us on basic tier and you can offer Sunday Ticket" these same companies would say OK and have ZERO issue with having the non-sports fan subsidize NFL Network. Anyone that believes otherwise is an idiot.
The fact is these companies are mad that the NFL extended thier deal with DirectTV 2 years ago until 2011. This is their way of paying the NFL back. The whole "It's not fair to make non-fans pay 70 cents a month" line is BS. These companies want Sunday Ticket. They know that this is a way to make sure the NFL doesn't negotiate another exclusive deal with DirectTV again. It's a game of chicken. The cable companies are betting that there won't be a big enough outcry from NFL fans before 2011 to force them into accpeting a deal before the NFL says they can have Sunday Ticket. The NFL is betting there will be. Who blinks first?
Fact is if the NFL came back and said "Ok you can NFL Network on a sports tier" those caable companies would be f*cked. Their bluff would have been called. They couldn't refuse on the basis of "Only sports fan should pay" because they would be. Especially when they said they would add it if they could put it on a sports tier. But if they do that they have almost ZERO negotiating power when it comes to getting Sunday Ticket at that point. | |
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| Caught in the middle This is about greed, and I can see the greed of the NFL eventually knocking it from USA's most popular sport.
I'm deluged with commercials but that is not enough revenue stream for them.
I'm with Comcrap, but I side with them on this issue.
As a corollary aside, there is another similar issue/battle being waged (at least in Maryland) between ESPN and Comcast over University of Maryland football games. They are not carrying ESPN360 which has gotten control of the telecast rights.
So as a tax paying citizen of Maryland, I can't watch my State University's game.
NFL is a little different, they are a corporation product and can freely try to squeeze every penny they can get their hands on, until we fans finally say ENOUGH! and have a super bowl TV boycott launched. Then they can gleefully hold their extra revenue as they watch a billion dollar hemmorage happen.
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1 edit | Re: Will it work? I went to the site and tried to view ESP360. It said it was only for Verizon broadband customers. Okay fine. But I am a Verizon broadband customer. I was accessing from a non Verizon broadband connection, but according to the article it should work if accessed through non-Verizon broadband connections too. Think they have some more work to do. | |
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| | Love VZ nice move If more people would buy the channels, they would be cheaper for every one. VZ come to me please, Free me from Comcrap. I see Fiber all over the place in our neighborhood can not wait to switch over. | |
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1 edit | Re: Love VZ nice move The best thing about Verizon FiOS is no more SPAMcastic Comcast strangle hold. | |
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| | | | Re: Love VZ nice move Here in Canada we have always gotten the NFL Sunday Ticket on Cable, and the NFL Network is on a digital tier thats not a part of the sports package. | |
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| | | | | Re: Love VZ nice move But did you ever watch the roughriders play the roughriders? | |
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| | | Re: Cable companies. The CableCo's are right - if we want the NFL Network, we should pay for it. Wait a second!!! Doesn't that sound like "a la caret" programming?!?!? Oh no!!!!! | |
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1 edit | Must Carry Law Already Exists
All the NFL has to do is create local broadcast station in local markets and the cable companies will be required by existing law to carry as part of basic tier. If TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) can manage to do this, surely the NFL can. Maybe if the NFL would eliminate the beer commercials and seductive chearleader shots they could buy air time from TBN. Then they would be on basic tier cable all across the nation.
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Woodbridge, NJ | Re: could fios get the sunday ticket? psutrain, I've heard signs that whenever Sunday ticket is for new bids, VZ will come very, very strong, with an almost-unbeatable proposal for it....
Re the games, that's why I doubt I'll ever go to a single-provider solution. I Have VZ for DSL and Comcast for TV. I'll be out of my home on T-day, but I'll be able to watch the Colts online! Sweet! | |
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2 edits | Re: could fios get the sunday ticket?said by Travelfan1:I'll be out of my home on T-day, but I'll be able to watch the Colts online! Sweet!
»Verizon.net/NFL/
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NFL Network Game Extra
"We're sorry, this content is only available to Verizon Online Broadband customers. Don't have Verizon Broadband yet? See the options in your area"
But I am a Verizon Online Broadband customer and I signed in with my Verizon Online account.
Only 5 days left to get it working before game day. Can they pull it off?
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