Verizon Offers New DSL Bundles To Counter Subscriber Losses Ramps up 7Mbps DSL availability, increases speed on slowest tier... Verizon contacted us this morning to note that they've shaken up their DSL pricing and availability somewhat, and have added a few new promotions to the mix. According to the telco, the company has expanded the availability of their 7Mbps DSL service to 6.6 million households nationwide. The tier, which we were the first to announce late last year, was only available to fewer than half a million homes initially. The service is, of course, offered primarily where FiOS isn't, and costs $32.99 for six months and $42.99 thereafter. The telco also says they've upgraded their entry-level DSL tier to 1 Mbps downstream and 384 kbps upstream, up from 768 Kbps/128 Kbps. New users willing to sign a one year contract will pay $9.99 per month for the tier for the first six months. After that, users will pay between $19.99 and $25.99 depending on the competitiveness (or lack thereof) of the market they're in. The company is also offering 3 Mbps/768 Kbps service for $19.99 for the first six months -- after which it's $29.99 to $33.99 per month, depending on market. The company tells us they've revamped their bundles (see Verizon website) slightly for the 1Mbps, 3Mbps and 7Mbps tiers. The company now offers three triple play bundles ($80, $100, $120), the lowest of which bundles DirecTV, a landline and DSL service, and is new to Verizon's lineup. The company's other two tiers offer savings over previous bundles ranging from $12 to $18 per month. Verizon also offers new double play bundles ranging from $50 to $105, depending on whether you add voice or TV to your DSL line. Verizon's offering two new bundles: $49.99 per month for DSL/Voice, or $64.99 for voice plus DirecTV. The bundle discounts offered on Verizon's other double play offerings have been reduced anywhere from $5 to $30, according to the telco. Prices for all bundles differ depending on DSL speed and channel lineup, require a one year contract, and don't include the myriad of fees Verizon tacks on to its services. All of these reductions are obviously due to competition from cable bundles and a declining DSL user base. Verizon has lost 229,000 DSL subscribers over the last two quarters. Some of those are subscriber upgrades to FiOS, but many off those losses are customers in non-FiOS areas migrating to cable because of VoIP, faster speeds, or the true video triple play.
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Arlington, VA | $ per Mbps keeps going down Tripling upstream and increasing downstream by over 25% without a corresponding price hike? That's good news for subscribers and strong evidence that cable vs telco competition is at least somewhat beneficial | |
|  |  RynoThe WandererPremium
join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: $ per Mbps keeps going down This is not as good as it sounds, very misleading. I'm on the phone (HOLD) right now and have been told things like the $49.99 per month is only for the 1 MB speed. For 3MB it is going to be $67. I told him I pay $53 per month now for 3 MB and phone. I don't need long distance, I have a cell phone for that. So basically they want to charge me $24 per month for long distance and caller id. he asked me to hold on a minute while he checks something.
Long minute so i guess I'll post.
Oh, and I'm not one of the 6.6 million people that can now get 7MB DSL. "IF" a cable company ever decides to come past my house I'm switching.
Well ok, line went silent but still connected. Waiting...waiting...sob, lines dead. WAIT, no not dead, now I'm listening to someone ordering a phone for Greensburg PA. HELLO, HELLO, can someone help me get back to my call?....now toally dead, WTF, there's a 1/2 wait for nothing. And people wonder why others say Verizon sux  | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Comcast
| Beats Qwest I think it'd be awesome to have VZ DSL here rather than Qwest. Why? 'cuz we have two tiers of dry-line service available:
1.5/896 - $40
5/896 - $47
No overprovisioning so you get at most 85% of the rated speed.
Verizon?
1/384 - At most $26
3/768 - At most $34
7/768 - Around $44
Heck, if they offered FastPath here I might be persuaded to switch from Comcast. It'd cost me $20 less per month than Comcast for only slightly slower downloads (uploads would take a hit though) and no caps...
Instead, I'm stuck with Qwest if I want DSL, Comcast if I want cable (aka something-faster-than-ADSL). All I can say is "meh". | |
| | | | Re: Beats Qwest You hit the nail on the head.
Verizon and ATT are much more competitive with their pricing structures, unlike Qwest. I truly don't understand why Qwest does not do more to be competitive in their respective markets (especially the large markets such as Phoenix, Denver, Minneapolis).
Personally, VZ's 3/768 would be very tempting. Great price, decent speeds, and lower latency when compared to Qwest. At least VZ offers you the chance to be placed on a fastpath profile, whereas Qwest is firmly against it. | |
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| | Not A Chance Who in his right mind would return to DSL if FIOS is available? FIOS would have to be seriously clusterfuck in order for me to change my mind and go back to piddly overpriced DSL. | |
| |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
 ·Frontier FiOS
1 edit | Re: Not A Chance said by SilverSurfer1:Who in his right mind would return to DSL if FIOS is available? FIOS would have to be seriously clusterfuck in order for me to change my mind and go back to piddly overpriced DSL. Did you even read the summary before posting. In case you didn't, here's the relevant part...
quote:
The service is, of course, offered primarily where FiOS isn't, and costs $32.99 for six months and $42.99 thereafter.
And even if FiOS is available in an area, not everyone may qualify (e.g. MDUs, condos, etc) or is ready to drink the FiOS kool-aid.
Edited to fix open quote | |
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| Re: Not A Chance said by cdru:said by SilverSurfer1:Who in his right mind would return to DSL if FIOS is available? FIOS would have to be seriously clusterfuck in order for me to change my mind and go back to piddly overpriced DSL. Did you even read the summary before posting. In case you didn't, here's the relevant part... quote:
The service is, of course, offered primarily where FiOS isn't, and costs $32.99 for six months and $42.99 thereafter.
And even if FiOS is available in an area, not everyone may qualify (e.g. MDUs, condos, etc) or is ready to drink the FiOS kool-aid. Edited to fix open quote actually MDU' are now being wired due to corning's bendable fiber technology | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Not A Chance said by hescominsoon:actually MDU' are now being wired due to corning's bendable fiber technology Thats no guarantee. Housing projects, slumlords/landlord red tape, difficult engineering, all get in the way. Plus it takes time (years), this is not the Army Corps of Engineers where unlimited manpower and unlimited funds exist. | |
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5 Reviews:
·Frontier FiOS
1 edit | MDUs arearen't governed under the same rules as regular housing is. A franchise agreement with a city would get you into most neighborhoods, but inside of a MDU is a different story. Many MDUs have exclusive agreements with communications providers that may preclude Verizon from running fiber within the premises. DSL may be available still if it comes in on a legacy telephone line that wasn't originally covered under an exclusive agreement.
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| Re: Not A Chance how do you figure MDUs are governed by the same regular rules as housing is? Any landlord can keep out ATT, VZ, Qwest, Comcast, TWC (except in NY), RCN, WOW or anyone else they wish. the MDU property is private and the gov't can NOT tell them who they must allow in to offer service.
Hell in most cases the MDU owner can kick the Bell company out and only offer Digital Phone by a cable company after all the MDU owner owns the wiring inside the building in almost 99.9% of all areas if not 100%- hence the reason to sell a customer wire maintenance. | |
| | | | | | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5 | Re: Not A Chance That was suppose to read MDUs aren't governed under the same rules. If you reread the rest of my post, it actually makes more sense that way too. Thanks for correcting me.  | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| This is for markets where FiOS isn't available, mostly. Of course I'd get 20/20 FiOS if it were available but it's not, and even VZ DSL would be an upgrade from the situation right now...
Just wish that VZ had these offerings back home. Parents might be within loop length for the 1024/384 tier and it'd be a LOT better than the wireless setup they have now.
In town, the VZ DSL tiers would be competitive with TWC, who charges $27/month for 768/128, $45/month for 7/512, $35 effectively ($15 with voice, $20 discount) for 3/384. Looks like VZ beats them on every front. | |
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Re: Not A Chance said by iansltx:Just wish that VZ had these offerings back home. Parents might be within loop length for the 1024/384 tier and it'd be a LOT better than the wireless setup they have now. Yeah, I'll be impressed when they start rolling it out to new areas. Until then, meh, so what.
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| | | "The service is, of course, offered primarily where FiOS isn't, and costs $32.99 for six months and $42.99 thereafter." | |
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| I do not have FIOS due to I am live in a MDU with an exclusive contract with Comcast. For a log while Verizon only offered 768/128 and 1.5M plans till now. Still it a joke compared to 6M/1M or 8M/3M I get from comcast. I will to go to DSL for cheaper price but not less 6Mbs. | |
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join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 |  Free bump for lowest tier
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| | | | Re: Free bump for lowest tier said by Romney2012:My sister, who has the 768/128 tier, will get a free bump to 1000/384. And for browsing and email that will be just fine for her. Same for my 80+ year old mother. She doesn't need Fios speeds or price - especially price since she is on SS.
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| | | | | Re: Free bump for lowest tier The bump IS free for those on 768K, BUT the 1M offer in the story is for NEW customers. You need to contact the Verizon business office to get an existing 768K account moved to 1M. | |
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|  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | said by Romney2012:My sister, who has the 768/128 tier, will get a free bump to 1000/384. And for browsing and email that will be just fine for her. She is not the only one, its the most popular tier available in the country. Even cable offers a "lite" tier (similar bandwidth) as a retention offer.
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| | | | | Re: Free bump for lowest tier Very true. but in most areas cable offers the lowest tier without being a retention offer. TWC is one that is offering it right out. Many local regional providers are as well. | |
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | While I respect what they're doing with their FIOS rollout I can't help but to think that Verizon is a company that's in trouble because of
a)The loss of landlines. And lots of them.
b)The loss of dsl customers. And lots of them.
c)The very high cost of their fios rollout.
d)The time it's going to take to accomplish C.
e)The competition overall from the cable co's...and namely
those who pursue a very aggressive docsis 3.0 rollout.
Think about this mixture of events that is occurring.
How many more things could be going wrong for a company?
Your underlying core business is under unwavering attack causing losses in the millions of customers.
Your primary broadband strategy today is in many cases not even half or 1/3rd the speeds that the competition is offering. The DSL customers you ARE saving are migrating to your own next generation service..ie: cannibalizing on yourself. You're spending 25 Billion dollars on something that is moving along at turtles pace to get rolled out.
And the competition is talking about the end of this year and next..to have their entire network rewired with docsis 3.0. How relevant does that leave what they are doing in the years that will follow? Will people in manhattan be cheering fios in 4 or 5 years when their skyscraper finally gets wired..when they had access to those same speeds years ahead of that? And, by then, the company is very weakened from years of landline losses...years of dsl defections..
high costs of ftth rollouts..and a product that is basically old news. There is a REAL danger here in that
verizon will have to raise their fios costs much higher to just keep up with all this...which could further create problems. On the plus side..there is wireless. But with all the competition growing in that space..how long can that be relied on. And can it be much of an offset to all this anyway?
Lots of questions here I think. Ones that will be addressed in the months and years ahead. I can't help but to think that these are the same type of questions AT&T asked themselves when deciding to NOT proceed with a ftth rollout and saw it as more important to be able to move quicker with at least something. The problem is..that something as we all know..is Uverse. A technologically inferior product by many accounts. And one that doesn't seem to be stemming the tide of their own problems by any means.
It's really going to be interesting from a technical and business perspective to see how this all plays out. It's been a long time since a company with such dominance has faced such a threat to their core business the way that landlines have. Add all these other things to it and it starts to sound like an AOL type of problem. Looking back..I really never considered before how really foolish these telco's were in not recognizing these threats years ago. Back in the later 90's and early 2000's when the cable co's were rewiring America..they just stood by and watched as it happened. They seem to have really missed the boat and misjudged where speeds would go as well as advanced services like HDTV. And just found themselves with a whole lot of old copper in the ground. AT&T meanwhile is the worst of the worst. Just spending all their time trying to buy more companies with old copper in the ground.
And now..suddenly..here they are. And we are. Wanting what we want in terms of services. In the meantime..Comcast really is playing this whole scenario like a stratovarius.
They are in a position to checkmate the telcos. Attack..phone line business. Attack..DSL. Triple play them into remission. Price phone business at zero with triple play bundles. Out do them across the board with HSI speeds.
Wow...is all I can say. This is also one that some cable co's can lose too. Now is the time for Time Warner to be doing the same thing. Why aren't they? Instead..they're talking about 5 gig caps. Wrong move Time Warner. You'll let the telco's dominating queen advance on you. She aint dead yet...by any stretch of the imagination. Cox..is seeing the light. Slower than Comcast..but they're seeing it. Cablevision..the same. Charter..hopefully they find some money to do be able to do anything. They're like the qwest of the cable business. Big ideas and no cash.
Anyways..just my ramblings as I watch it all play out.
Interesting times for sure out there in the land of the giants.
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| Re: While I respect what they're doing with their FIOS rollout DOCSIS 3 looks to be rolling out only to compete with FiOS, so Verizon can compete where cable companies turn the heat up. On the other end of the spectrum, Verizon's most expensive DSL is cheaper than Comcast's cheapest cable internet-wise. I'll take that. And where VZ rolls out FiOS, they can ramp up speeds to 100+ Mbps, something the cable companies can't match without trashing their networks...and I'm talking about trashing DOCSIS 3 networks. Fiber can beat any other tech if it wants to. Nice, albeit expensive, position for Verizon to take. | |
| | | RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | Re: While I respect what they're doing with their FIOS rollout Docsis 3.0 is slated to be in 20% of homes by years end..and about 100% by end of next year. That doesn't sound like a rollout to compete with Fios. It sounds like the other way around.
As for pricing..based on Karls story..verizons top tier dsl service is priced right where a cable hsi connection is.
The difference will be that that dsl connection will behalf the speeds that comcasts 12Mb standard tier will be.
Sorry but I see that as a formula for verizon to lose more dsl customers as they try to get fios rolled out. More dsl customers on top of landlines losses on top of 25 billion in fios costs. All this doesn't equal pleasant times ahead for Verizon IMHO.
There is going to be a huge amount of pressure on them to reduce their pricing. They can't justify a 6Mb DSL connection at mid 40 dollar range when cable co's are delivering 2x's or more those speeds. And many dsl customers can barely get 1Mb.never mind 6. Will people continue to pay those mid 20 to 30/month fees when for a few dollars more they can get TWELVE times the speed with a cable provider? I think they're kinda crazy if they do..don't you?
This is why it's so critical that Verizon gets fios rolled out. But there is so many problems associated with their doing that if their revenues from landlines and dsl are falling like they are. If anything..that's going to put pressure on them to raise fios pricing just to try to pay for it all. And that's a tough thing to do when you're trying to entice people to take your products in this economy.
I'm not trying to be intentionally negative on Verizon. Fios is a good product and the competition is a good thing for consumers. But the realities of their business leaves many question marks these days as to how successful they will be in the next few years. I mean..what we're talking about here with the loss of their landline and dsl business is kind of like saying no one wants Mcdonalds hamburgers and fries anymore....and trying to count on some new product introduced last year to make up for that.
That's a tough thing for a company to overcome. Especially when they're getting hit on all sides in a difficult economy. And spending money like mad on that new product.
We'll see how it goes.
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| | | | | | | | | RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | Re: While I respect what they're doing with their FIOS rollout said by djrobx: quote:
Docsis 3.0 is slated to be in 20% of homes by years end..and about 100% by end of next year. That doesn't sound like a rollout to compete with Fios.
That's Comcast. The rest of the country deals with less aggressive cable companies. Time Warner's DOCSIS 3 strategy is said to be "surgical". Exactly. Hence my comments above about that being entirely the wrong move to make on their part.
Time Warner should be falling all over themselves to do exactly what Comcast is doing. They have an enormous opportunity here to do exactly what comcast is doing and grow their business at the expense of Verizon and AT&T.
Again..I don't think that people are considering enough how this could play out. They could COMPLETELY undermine what Verizon is doing. What would Verizons skyscraper wiring fios rollout look like in manhattan four or five years from now if Time Warner beat them to that kind of speed game four years Earlier? It would be a DUD. A FLOP. A super huge expensively overpriced failure. And all the while..what else happens? Landlines and DSL customers go to TW as part of an aggressive triple play bundle offer.
Folks. What would be left of Verizon in four years from now?
Check....MATE.
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|  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
1 edit | you raise some valid points - in terms of overall usability, coaxial cable is far more future-proof than old copper - especially as distances from the co/vrad/dslam increase and aren't able to sustain higher speeds required for simultaneous voice/data/video streams.
however, it would be interesting to see what all of the mso's would be doing had fios not popped into the picture. i am not familiar (too much) with comcast, as they don't really serve my area. from what i have read from this site, they are planning to roll out their new 22/5 and 50/5 tiers to a section of their footprint by the end of this year, with full rollouts happening by late 2009/early 2010. i would be willing to bet (dollars to donuts, mind you) that the areas that will see the speed jump first will be areas in which fios is served.
i know that this happens in the northeast us/nova areas served by cox. these areas generally see the lowest prices coupled with the highest speeds usually 6-9 months before the "largest" market (phoenix, i believe) sees any increases. this is not to say that cox/phoenix doesn't upgrade their speed tiers, etc, but when the premium tier in phoenix is only seeing a 15/1.5 tier while those in the northeast are seeing 20/3 speeds, i would care to say that fios has a large part in these speed increases. as dvd536  puts it, the havenots subsidize the haves.
now - those who believe in the free market economy are grinning ear to ear right now, because this is exactly what is *supposed* to happen. competition breeds better pricing/speeds/advantages for the customer at the same or lower prices. but when you have telcos that "cherry-pick" neighborhoods based on profit (which is their right), you will only see growth in those areas, with the rest trickling down when the company feels like it.
as can be evidenced by users here, cable companies have been slow to roll out in areas in which competition is not directly a factor. tw and charter both have users that can only receive a 6/1 (ish) tier as their maximum offered in the area, and they are paying more than i am paying for my 12/768k line (though through a different provider).
you are correct (in my opinion), in stating that verizon may be in some trouble because of the expense of their fiber rollout. had the economy not faultered, times would be easier, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out verizon is in a unique position though, because it can directly compete with cable in terms of voice (if they so choose). while subs may drop the pots/copper service for voice, verizon can compete with someone like comcast in terms of voip over their fiber product. as fiber becomes more ubiquitous, this will become a price contention point.
additionally, as more and more hd offerings are had by the content distributors cable may run into issues with bandwidth concerns and adoption issues. i am unsure of comcast's network, but i know that cox is rapidly pushing for a 1ghz plant upgrade in all markets. this will give them more spectrum and as they slowly phase out analog and move towards sdv, more will be cleared for use in data applications over docsis 3.0. however, this transition will be slow because it will result in added fees (stbs, gateway fees, etc.) for those customers who rely on analog broadcasts over cable and as a result, those subs may jump ship because cable's rates (especially after the latest round of rate hikes) will not be competitive with the likes of satellite or even fta. those who are using fios will not see much of a difference because of the need for the ip stb on every tv anyway. also, if mso's choose to leave the analog and aren't adopting sdv, how will the hd look after compression. mpeg2 may offer some solutions, but will require a new box for every sub (and one can assume a higher fee to offset the cost of these boxes to the cable operator) and some companies may not be able to absorb the initial cost.
we are at an interesting cross-roads here. you do make some valid points, but i take everything that was said with a grain of salt simply because of the industry that you represent (and the company of said industry). fiber and coax still have quite a battle ahead. during this time, those that are served by both technologies will see the benefits, but i'm pretty sure those that don't see any fiber in their future will be left drooling for many years to come.
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edited for clarity and typographical errors
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| | | | | Re: While I respect what they're doing with their FIOS rollout I think Comcast would be rolling out DOCSIS 3 regardless, however the timing would probably be different. Comcast got into the HSI game for added revenues, this is the natural progression of upgrading. Especially since the business model of ISPs as well as the Internet itself seems to be changing more towards the corporate structure. The use of ISPs to police, monitor, and market peoples usage has never been more prevalent than now, and will only get worse. And we as Comcast customers have no illusions about this cost not being passed to us, thats only a matter of time too!
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|  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Your posts are always good for a laugh Rick. Thanks for the smile. | |
| | | | i'd still say verizon is in a better position for the long term. it is probably a safe to say that there is a lot of 'easily' accessible bandwidth left in fiber. i know coax can support lots of bandwidth too, but there are analog channels to deal with and how to maintain and improve digital channels.
o btw, you wouldn't work for a cable company or have lots of money invested in a cable company, would you? | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Your forgetting the caviar that are T1 lines, which carry an unbreakable reputation among business executives, and the token SLA. DSL for $400 a month HAHAHHAHAHAHA, if you can't get DSL, time for monthly mileage charges and construction costs for your T1.
Also your forgetting the federal and local govt contracts that Verizon has, and that all CLEC and non cable company fiber services MUST be delivered over VZ's right of way/plant. | |
| |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Comcast has been pretty smart but I don't see Verizon as a company in trouble at all.
I don't ever see a day where a fiber line isn't relevant. I can't say the same for coax. Squeezing more from coax is probably 3-5x the R&D work of squeezing more from fiber at this point, but my sense is that every time that cable has come up against the final wall, they've figured out some way to knock it down.
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| | | | | Re: While I respect what they're doing with their FIOS rollout i wouldn't say 3-5x the RD, but definitely not as easy or probably not as cheaps (well they could make it highly profitable with some clever lies and marketing) to get more out of the coax. all they have to do it remove all analog and force everyone to get a set top box or cable card. that should free up a lot of bandwidth. add in IPTV or similar and its even better. | |
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join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA | DSL of any speed would be great After two years of Hughes, I'd kill the person of Verizon's choice to get them to extend DSL to my location. I'm about 7000 feet too far from the CO, although there's a hub a mile down the road.
As for FIOS, I'll get that after we have a permanent manned base on Mars. | |
| |  sansri88digital is herePremium
join:2005-12-17
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Re: DSL of any speed would be great I live in a suburban environment in a township of 100k people and I can't get DSL.
How sad... | |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | Bring back $15 DSL That is what had CO's stuffed to the rim and waiting lists. If you're going to grab dial up converts you have to get closer to the $9.95 PeoplePC, Netzero and Nutscrape ISP prices.
And while yer at it, ditch the bullcrap junk fees like the "you didn't use enough long distance fee" and cut the prices on service like Caller ID. Also ditch the $1.50 "how dare you not want to be in the phonebook" fee.
Cut prices and they'll keep customers. Keep a $10 basic line running $20+ and $30-$40 with a few options and they'll keep losing customers. | |
| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Bring back $15 DSL You can actually turn off long distance entirely on Verizon. That's what my family did. Just use a calling card, or get Pioneer Telephone as the carrier, and you're good to go. | |
| | | DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Bring back $15 DSL I didn't know that. I thought you have to pick a provider. I use cell for LD so the junk fee was really annoying. | |
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| | Verizon site wrong? lol I am stuck with 1.5/384. I had trouble getting that from 768/128. Now it's 1/384 or 3/768. I just checked to see what the site said for me. But for some reason I get a message saying that Verizon High Speed Internet isn't available in my area. Says Verizon Wireless is available is. Weird that it says that cause I have DSL.
Verizon needs to get it's act together. Not getting anyone new in my area if they say it isn't available even though it is. | |
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| Re: Verizon site wrong? lol XknightHawkX,
Since I live next town over, are you too far from center of town for Comcast, or for faster Verizon DSL?
I have Verizon DSL 3/768 now for $33.99/month(year-long contract), but have Comcast for digital HD/DVR TV. Thinking of dropping Verizon DSL for Comcast HSI, because Comcast can offer 12Mbps here.
My example is why Verizon DSL is in trouble. No Verizon FiOS on the horizon. (Only Midwestern town w/FiOS is Fort Wayne(& 2 suburbs), Indiana.) Comcast has the speed advantage here, even without DOCSIS upgrade. Wait til the DOCSIS upgrade kicks in nationwide. | |
| | | | | Re: Verizon site wrong? lol Well I live in oaklawn mobile estates and they provide us with their own cable. So that means Comcrap isn't an option for me. There is at least 300 trailers in this trailer court and we can't seem to get any other internet option. | |
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| Re: Verizon site wrong? lol Sunday 11/2 Peoria Journal-Star daily newspaper had Comcast insert w/featured bundles for current Comcast Cable or HSI customers. Offer expires 11/24/08. Has autumn leaves graphics. has 1-800-251-31** number (83 for **). Website not mentioned.
If already have Digital Cable, offer of Comcast HSI $29.99/3 months with up to 12Mbps. ($42.95 after per *.) If already have Digital Cable, Comcast VoIP $33/6 months. ($44.94 after per *)
Or Triple play for $114.99/12 months, with $7/month HD charge. | |
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| VZ has thes BEFORE it was reannounced last year 6 years ago when i first moved into my house they offered 7.1...then a year later they removed it from residential. Last year they made this big hullahbalo about it..despite the fact they offered it before and simply took it way earlier.
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| Verizon ain't dumb On this board, apparently there aren't a lot of penny-pinchers, so the low-end products don't appeal.
But amongst my crowd of peers, almost everyone buys the cheapest possible service, and if it ain't cheap enough, they go without. Not coincidentally, none are being foreclosed, are in debt to credit card companies, or carry student loans.
We really can't justify $48/month for the minimum Fios tier, and if they copied the cable companies, by raising the floor price, they'd have more defects. So it makes sense for them to continue to offer cheap DSL, while improving its basic performance level, or offer an equivalently crippled Fios tier at a DSL price. | |
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1 edit | My choices for fast internet. I live in a small town of ~4500 in the Pacific Northwest. Verizon here offers DSL (no FIOS available) with a top tier of 3/768 and just a few moments ago, I paid my monthly bill of $37.95 for that service.
A local fibre optics startup company, offers a Double-Play package for $69.99 per month. It consists of 2 phone lines, with 22 included voice features, unlimited local calling and unlimited extended area service. For the TV package, you get 70 channels and it's basic TV. Ya want more than basic TV? Then it's $20 more for 145 channels and 80+ channels of music. HDTV? Add $4.95 for 6 channels. Extra STBs are $6.95 each per month. DVR is $9.95 for each TV. Funny how quickly the costs go up for added services. Of course none of these prices include any of the premium channels.
Throw in an extra $30 for Triple-Play and you get 7Mbps up/7Mbps down internet service. Throw in another $10 and they'll bump the speed up to 10Mbps/10Mbps. Want a static IP? Another $10.
Charter is the only cable TV provider here in town at $65.00 for basic service (first 6 months, $85 afterwards), but no broadband services at all or digital cable but they have been promising digital services for over 4 years now. I don't see it happening anytime soon. When I had their service, it was crappy at best. Now we rent DVDs or trade with the neighbors, otherwise the TVs sit and collect dust.
So as long as Verizon offers DSL here, then here I'll stay.
*Edit* Replaced Comcast with Charter - Duh! | |
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