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Chicago, IL | Ten years why not 100? I believe the 100 year plan is what AT&T is on.  | |
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| Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| said by XBL2009  :I believe the 100 year plan is what AT&T is on. What plan is Qwest on then?  | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: Ten years why not 100? That would be the telecom industry bailout plan, but they have to wait their turn. Infront of telecom you've got auto industry, healthcare industry, power industry, farm industry, defense industry, immigrant labor, and next to last but not least... The Middle Class... then Qwest may get on the line... | |
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JohnA
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join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA | Who elects these people?
I assume Carl got the quote correct.
"It was a deal breaker for me that we got the whole city."
Who elects these people who can't create a sentence that says what they mean, when making a public statement. | |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: Who elects these people? said by JohnA :Who elects these people who can't create a sentence that says what they mean, when making a public statement. This is the same city that continued re-electing Marion Barry over and over. The only reason he's not mayor right now is because he chose not to run. He currently serves on the DC City Council.
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: Who elects these people? Thats not true. The reason hes not Mayor now is becuase there is no way he'd win up against Mayor Fenty or Fenty's predecessor Tony Williams. DC took off after William's admin. Barry is a has been and will never be Mayor again. Well we hope not! LOL | |
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Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: Who elects these people? said by NPGMBR :Barry is a has been and will never be Mayor again. Well we hope not! LOL Don't misunderestimate Marion Barry.
That man is a political genius. After he was railroaded, sent to prison and released, he was not only able to win election (first to the DC City Council, and then Mayor), but he also used the slogan "A Man With Conviction."
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dennismurphy
Put me on hold? I'll put YOU on hold
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join:2002-11-19
Parsippany, NJ
·Optimum Online
| Re: Who elects these people? said by pnh102 :said by NPGMBR :Barry is a has been and will never be Mayor again. Well we hope not! LOL Don't misunderestimate Marion Barry. That man is a political genius. After he was railroaded, sent to prison and released, he was not only able to win election (first to the DC City Council, and then Mayor), but he also used the slogan "A Man With Conviction." He also has one of the most memorable political statements ever ...
"Da bitch set me up!"
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join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | thats great and all... but how about all of Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virgina's Verizon area within 10 yrs? | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| Re: thats great and all... ^^ further proof that typical bbr posters can find negatives in anything and will complain if what is beind done by company X if it doesn't positively effect the poster
i'd love to have fios too, but i know i'd be smoking crack if i think it'll come to where i presently live in the near future. that being said, 10 years is an awfully long time for one city, but they do have other areas the need fiber too. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Re: thats great and all... That's because we want 100Gbps symmetrical to each and every internet-capable device we own to the tune of $0.03/month and we wanted it last decade  | |
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join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA | Would be nice, but don't count on it. DC on the other hand would be a lot easier to complete in 10 years or less(6-8 yrs max,depending on VZ). Don't know how many square miles in DC, but a lot less than in NYC or Pa,Md,Va | |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
| Ten years ? said by »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington···eography :Washington, D.C. has a total area of 68.3 square miles (177 km2), of which 61.4 square miles (159 km2) is land and 6.9 square miles (18 km2) (10.16%) is water.[36] If you subtract out all of the greenspace, monuments, oversize buildings like the Whitehouse and the various roads, you can probably get that number down around 40 square miles. When you factor in all of the MDUs and office buildings, it makes it easier for Verizon to hit more subscribers at one time.
In other words, either these guys are crafty and way overshot the deployment time frame so they could come back in five years and say they finished early, or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Ten years ? said by NetAdmin :either these guys are crafty and way overshot the deployment time frame so they could come back in five years and say they finished early, or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time. Or maybe it really does take a relatively lengthy time to pull new cable everywhere. Not to mention that D.C. isn't the only market in which VZ is upgrading/maintaining infrastructure. I find it humorous at times when some people think that upgrading a massive cable plant is something that can be accomplished overnight. | |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
| Re: Ten years ? said by openbox9 :I find it humorous at times when some people think that upgrading a massive cable plant is something that can be accomplished overnight. Five years for an area the size of DC is hardly overnight.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Ten years ? And five is an arbitrary time frame. My point is that VZ has apparently engineered their deployment for D.C. and has come up with 10 years as a viable time line to cover the city. Why do you think VZ should be able to squeeze the work into five years? | |
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1 edit | Re: Ten years ? said by openbox9 :And five is an arbitrary time frame. My point is that VZ has apparently engineered their deployment for D.C. and has come up with 10 years as a viable time line to cover the city. Why do you think VZ should be able to squeeze the work into five years? You take the five year number for more than it is worth.
I stated that "either these guys are crafty and way overshot the deployment time frame so they could come back in five years and say they finished early," not that they WOULD finish in five years. The ten year time frame seems to be an instance of this.
I've seen lots of project time frames over estimated so that penalties and breach of contract issues could be avoided. It is always better to finish ahead of schedule than behind schedule.
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Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Ten years ? said by NetAdmin :I've seen lots of project time frames over estimated so that penalties and breach of contract issues could be avoided. It is always better to finish ahead of schedule than behind schedule. Agreed, but the point of contention that I had in your original post wassaid by NetAdmin :or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time | |
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1 edit | Re: Ten years ? said by openbox9 :Agreed, but the point of contention that I had in your original post was said by NetAdmin :or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time I based that partly on the fact that Verizon had stated they could wire NYC in six years (2008-2014). DC is a fraction the size of NYC and has a fraction of the subscribers.
»www.gothamgazette.com/article/te···/19/2539
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Ten years ? said by NetAdmin :I based that partly on the fact that Verizon had stated they could wire NYC in six years (2008-2014). DC is a fraction the size of NYC and has a fraction of the subscribers. » www.gothamgazette.com/article/te···/19/2539 Exactly, although 15% of NYC customers had FIOS available (Northeast Queens and most of Staten island, a little of southwest brooklyn and a tiny tiny bit of northeast bronx) when the franchise agreement went into effect.
This still does count for the many times smaller population of DC vs NYC and empty space argument. | |
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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| why not? i've seen TWC rebuild out their entire operations in one city within 3 weeks! that was rebuild their headend. build out the HFC plants, lay the new fiber and the new coax and besides go around and lay the final new coax all the way to peoples homes and businesses. 5 years is long enough. After all unions should be able to do that. They're more skilled. | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| i also agree 10 years does seem like a long time for one city. from what little i know about the cabling structure of Washington DC, i'm sure the task won't be easy to wire the entire city.
my guess is that they'll take it 'slow' instead of hiting it with every crew they got. if they sent 'everything' they have, other areas would definitely get neglected, which doesn't make much sense from most any view. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Good to hear I'll probably have moved on by 2018, but I think the principle is important. 10 years is fair to Verizon. Of course, the city had better get it in writing. Look at Pennsylvania for how well Verizon keeps its promises.
I'm surprised that Dupont circle area is in the 3-6 year timeline, seems ripe for the cherry picking. Not surprised that Capitol Hill is first on the list. | |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Crazy Idea There are places in DC where people can't afford the cost of any level of FiOS service. If Verizon tries to wire these places, the equipment will most likely just get stolen, not to mention the very real danger to the technicians just being a stranger to the neighborhood with a truck full of tools. I don't think we are doing anyone a favor by forcing Verizon to attempt to wire every nook and cranny in the DC area. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Crazy Idea said by jmn1207 :If Verizon tries to wire these places, the equipment will most likely just get stolen, not to mention the very real danger to the technicians just being a stranger to the neighborhood with a truck full of tools. What will someone do with an ONT? What are you going with fiber, put beads on it? What are you going to do with an FDT or fiber splitter or a handhole?
Robbing for tools doesn't make sense, but it makes no sense, the only thing a FIOS tech would have that a POTS tech doesn't would be a laptop. I don't see Verizon refusing phone service for parts of DC because its too violent now, I don't see why they wouldn't send people in for FIOS (uptake rate is different). I'm sure that Verizon allows tickets to be closed for too dangerous/inaccessible/nobody home. | |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Crazy Idea I'm talking about the crews that will be tasked to run the fiber to each home in a neighborhood where the police have set up road blocks into with mandatory curfews set because of all the gun violence. You'd be surprised at what desperate people might steal if they believe it has any intrinsic value at all. In these areas, I don't expect there to be any actual customers calling to have FiOS installed. Many of these "homes" probably don't even have a working POTS line.
It just makes no sense to drag fiber in some of the neighborhoods unless they are simply going to give away the service for free and provide everyone with a computer. Otherwise, it's a stupid idea to think a single mother with 4 children and no job is going to be calling Verizon for the bundled Extreme HD package. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Crazy Idea said by jmn1207 :I'm talking about the crews that will be tasked to run the fiber to each home in a neighborhood where the police have set up road blocks into with mandatory curfews set because of all the gun violence Alot of suburban towns require police details to use a bucket truck on the street. Same thing for manholes. If it involves a traffic cone, you must get the PD. Also its at minimum 1 cop per location, you have 2 bucket trucks on adjacent poles. 2 cops minimum. PD can also require more cops than 1 per truck/opening/location. Its pure pork for the PD, $90 for the first hour, $60 for any extra hours, minimum 4 hours.
NYC doesn't have this, but Connecticut (a suburban rich bastion) does for example. Be sure the cops where there because of violence and not just a big brother nanny pork gathering municipality which requires cops on any utility work on the street of any kind. | |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
|  ETF fees for cable?
"The Daily News reported last month that Verizon was planning to impose a penalty of $199 on subscribers who cancel service. When Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer questioned Verizon on this issue, company officials acknowledged they might impose it on special introductory rates or on package deals like the common "triple play" of Internet, phone and cable service combined."
ETF penalties are a pretty brutal deal in the cable world, where you do not got an out option when your prices are increased and contracts can be created with no termination date (making it more of a termination fee than an early termination fee).
Imagine choosing between $10/month annual increases or paying a $199 ETF to get out of the contract.
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: ETF fees for cable? said by marigolds :ETF penalties are a pretty brutal deal in the cable world, where you do not got an out option when your prices are increased and contracts can be created with no termination date (making it more of a termination fee than an early termination fee). Even if you are in a "perpetual contract", how would a price increase not void that contract thereby allowing either party to terminate service if they don't agree to the new terms? | |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: ETF fees for cable? Because the contract specifies that the price of basic and expanded basic are incorporated.
In other words, you contract for expanded basic + $x amount.
It's just like a variable interest rate on a credit card (if the credit card company directly controlled the prime rate).
Or the contract specifies a discount, e.g. a bundle contract could specify that it is for the standard rate of the services minus $30.
Now that I think about it, even with the month-to-month and year-to-year rollover packages, it should be possible to provide notice to get out of the contract at the end. Of course, the easy way to deal with this is make the renewal period in December for all contracts, but implement the price increases in summer.
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CycloneGT
join:2001-11-15
Boyds, MD
| The best is yet to come The fun thing about watching Wash DC politics is all of the complaining.
First it was that Verizon dragged their feet bring FiOS to DC. In all fairness, DC isn't the place to go to get your feet wet in deploying a new technology. The City Govt will have you jumping through so many hurdles and putting so many demands on you, that you'd wish you'd never even gotten into the business. So its no surprise to me that DC was put on the back burner. This lets them stew in their arrogance for a while to see the world go on without them (all of the neighboring counties to Wash DC have had FiOS for a couple of years now).
The 2nd good reason to wait to let the technology and installations methods develop. I'm sure that Verizon is much better at installations now than they were in 2005. I know that the new bendable fiber has been invented since then, so all things considered, it will likely be much easier for Verizon to install now, than it would have been if they tried to do so in DC a few years ago.
Finally, the Community Activists. DC is run by them. If you think they are happy now about "red-lining" just wait. As soon as the first shovel of dirt is over turned, the installation complaints will take off. Then the complaints about delays will take off (since Verizon will be behind schedule due to the fiber running complaints). Of course women and minorities will be the hardest hit. Not sure how, but that always seems to outlook from the Wash Post.
Finally you will get FiOS delivered into neighborhoods who can't even afford a PC, much less DSL. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: The best is yet to come said by CycloneGT :Finally you will get FiOS delivered into neighborhoods who can't even afford a PC, much less DSL. Well you need a PC, how else will you sell drugs through myspace and craigslist? | |
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Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR | Famous Last Words "We didn’t want to permit cherry-picking or redlining or continuing the digital divide in any part of the city," said Ward 3 Councilwoman Mary Cheh"
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