Robert Premium Member join:2001-08-25 Miami, FL 1 edit |
Robert
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2015-Jan-23 2:20 pm
I've been waiting..I've been waiting for either AT&T or Verizon to take a stance and NOT match T-Mobile/Sprint and cite that they are the bigger company and don't have to necessarily compete on a 1:1 with the smaller carriers. | |
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Re: I've been waiting..You must be an investor, no one else views Verizon's refusals to engage in the competitive market good. It's sucks for poor investors when actual competition arrives in a market in sore need of it. | |
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xirian
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2015-Jan-23 2:36 pm
Re: I've been waiting..And verizon sucks a lot lately. A lot of areas are suddenly 1x around me. I've heard the same from others. Its sad but sprint has better coverage around me now. | |
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wiid
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2015-Jan-24 5:29 pm
Re: I've been waiting..Verizon doesn't offer free plans with $0 monthly charge either. Neither does AT&T. Why would not offering roll over data be news? Verizon plans are way too high. | |
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| | Robert Premium Member join:2001-08-25 Miami, FL
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to MovieLover76
I am an investor (I own AT&T stock), but I never said or intended for my post to be a good thing.
I actually wrote a second paragraph, but deleted it before posting. But it basically said something on the lines of..
Now that we're seeing this refusal of Verzion to compete, we can expect AT&T to follow soon. With this move, it is now time for consumers to speak with their wallets, or else competition is dead. | |
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Re: I've been waiting..Ah OK, well that second paragraph would have made your sentiment much clearer I think customers are starting to speak with their wallets, your starting to see more churn at AT&T and Verizon. | |
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| | | Cheese Premium Member join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL |
to Robert
It's been dead for some time... | |
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2015-Jan-23 11:12 pm
Re: I've been waiting..said by Cheese:It's been dead for some time... Except that T-Mobile is coming into its own and really offering a solid network in and around urban centers. In west central Florida, Tampa, St Pete, Clearwater, and the surrounding bedroom communities, and along the corridor into Orlando, my household's experience has been excellent. My $DAYJOB phone is an iPhone 5S on AT&T, while my wife and daughter each have the same iPhone on T-Mobile. Their T-Mo coverage is often BETTER than my AT&T coverage, but the reverse is not true. For those who don't do rural travel, T-Mo is a solid competitor both in price and network coverage/quality. | |
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to MovieLover76
Yeah the moves of Verizon and AT&T are to prevent you from tearing into their bottom line. So Verizon, they won't do this because they would rather charge you $10 a gigabyte rather than allow any unused data from previous months to be used. AT&T similarly wants to prevent you from possibly building up a huge bucket, so the data expires if not used by the second month. It isn't a completely unfair system.. However the idea behind these roll over plans is because you paid for the data usage, why should it expire? I am surprised it didn't catch on sooner, but also not surprised because the industry is rigged and price fixed and they are milking every bit of it. I find AT&T and Verizon's set ups both unreasonable. Because the typical data plan includes so few bits and bytes in the first place, but is selling at such a high cost. To the tune that doing anything normal like uploading a YouTube video costs $20 bucks and web browsing all day will cause you to go over you cap and other BS. I am on T Mo, it took me 5 days just to have Facebook suck up 1GB, YouTube sucked up 8GB, Opera 1GB, and I have hardly used it but for basic things. At the end of the month I will probably use 30-50GB, which costs me $70, they would charge me for each gigabyte on AT&T and Verizon. I calculated it that I could never use my phones data connection without getting bilked, I would have to fudge around using someone else's data connection to make it work (over crowded WiFi, and we all pay for our LTE and we don't pay for free WiFi, how outrageous the LTE operators to expect payment in the first place! Lol). Lol @ that pathetic situation. Lol @ AT&T and Verizon users living restricted .. | |
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| | kfsutops Premium Member join:2002-08-19 Lutz, FL |
to MovieLover76
An investor would most like approve this type of thing. By not playing in this game Verizon is keeping profit margins high. If non-profitable customers decide to go elsewhere this bolsters Verizon's bottom line even more.
At the end of the day Verizon is there to make money for the shareholders. I can have a 1000 more customers a day, but I am loosing money on each of those customers....well you see how that goes. | |
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| | | KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
Kearnstd
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2015-Jan-25 1:36 pm
Re: I've been waiting..the thing is roll over data would not cause lost money. Unless lots of customers go over their data cap. But that is more a flaw of the caps being too low
this is also why the investors being the greedy crooks they are what to get the companies out of landline services. LTE has those nice 5gb caps and stupendously high overage fees. which are nothing but $$$$ to Wall Street. | |
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I was a Verizon customer for over 10 years until this week. I purchased three iPhones and moved my family plan to T-Mobile. The T-Mobile service and speed is amazing. My Verizon service constantly would drop to 1x. Rollover Data is why I switched to T-Mobile. So long Verizon | |
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| | xirian Premium Member join:2003-01-26 Beacon, NY |
xirian
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2015-Jan-23 5:54 pm
Re: I've been waiting..I've been wanting to try out tmobile but their test drive thing requires you to return the phone to a tmobile store and we have none anywhere near me :\
I've been having the same issue with verizon, it drops to 1x most of the time. People with sprint will be next to me and have lte with 3 bars, I'll have 1 bar with 1x. | |
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| | | Zenit_IIfxThe system is the solution Premium Member join:2012-05-07 Purcellville, VA |
Re: I've been waiting..Pick up a T-Mobile SIM for prepaid and try out the network...at the worst you will be out $50 max for trying it out.
*(Assuming you have a phone with T-Mobile LTE bands) | |
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| | cork1958Cork Premium Member join:2000-02-26 |
to turnerbrewer
My very first phone was a Verizon thing and they absolutely sucked, here in Michigan. Had T-Mobile after them and they were like the difference between night and day!
Of course Verizon would be a company that says they don't need to compete on price (just like AT&T) when neither of them know a thing about fair competition! They simply buy all their laws and rules from those corrupt people in office and the competition, when possible.
Wish those 2 companies would simply cease to exist! | |
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Re: I've been waiting..
I see service like this everywhere even in rural areas. Can't wait for the whole network upgrades to be done in 2015.
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Pashune
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2015-Jan-24 11:44 am
Re: I've been waiting..I wish I could say the same. 2 heavily populated counties in my area, one of which I live in doesn't get anything more than 2G coverage from T-Mobile. My friend out in the boonies about 30 minutes away also can't get more than 2G. Honestly, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat if their coverage wasn't so spotty. I'm now having occasional 1x EDGE issues like everyone else on Verizon (Except I use StraightTalk, uses Verizon towers) and I'm basically screwed unless I go through AT&T at this point for good coverage. | |
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Re: I've been waiting..By the end of 2015 every remaining EDGE tower will have LTE on them too!
They stopped adding 3G to towers on 1900mhz, now it's a little EDGE for voice/sms + LTE for data.
You will need a device supporting all of t-mobiles LTE bands of course | |
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2015-Jan-23 3:43 pm
to Robert
Well then, you've got it. Sooner than later, stockholders and t-mo's board are going to put the kibosh on Legere's money losing ways. | |
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| KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
to Robert
what I do not get is how they claim its not financially sound, It would not cause them to lose money because in order for data to roll over someone would have to use less than their allotment anyway. | |
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Cheese Premium Member join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL |
Cheese
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2015-Jan-23 2:29 pm
C SPire was the first? This isn't newSome other company did this YEARS AGO, can't remember who. Cingular? | |
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Re: C SPire was the first? This isn't newsaid by Cheese:Some other company did this YEARS AGO, can't remember who. Cingular? Cingular had rollover minutes, before data was all the rage. Rolling over of data is the modern rolling over of minutes. Also, Karl, fix the article, as it states: said by Karl Bode:T-Mobile followed with their own "Data Stash" rollover minute effort in early January. Data Stash is for data, not minutes. | |
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Re: C SPire was the first? This isn't newI think AT&T may have pioneered roll over minutes actually? thanks for the correction, fixed. | |
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| | | djrobx Premium Member join:2000-05-31 Reno, NV |
djrobx
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2015-Jan-23 4:15 pm
Re: C SPire was the first? This isn't newAT&T Wireless is the artist formerly known as Cingular (SBC). Remember, Cingular first bought AT&T Wireless. Cingular had the rollover minutes before that acquisition. Then SBC bought AT&T and renamed the whole thing back to AT&T.
I've had the same 3-person, 550minute roll over plan for well over a decade. I've never come anywhere close to using all the minutes I've banked up. | |
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said by Cheese:Some other company did this YEARS AGO, can't remember who. Cingular? Correct, I had roll over with Cingular, but when ATT bought them out, I really didn't miss it. Still with AT&T and roll over still doesn't make a difference to me because I don't use all the minutes I have now. | |
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cb14
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2015-Jan-23 7:27 pm
Re: C SPire was the first? This isn't newCingular/SBC bought out ATT wireless, not the other way around. One of those disasters after which i switched to T-mobile. | |
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to Cheese
You mean at&t, because that's Cingular... | |
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cb14
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2015-Jan-23 11:18 pm
Re: C SPire was the first? This isn't newNo. Cingular/SBC/ Southwestern bell assumed the name of ATT. Totally different company, has nothing in common with the former ATT or ATT wireless. | |
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| | Cheese Premium Member join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL |
to jjeffeory
It wasn't ATT until they acquired them. | |
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n2jtx
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2015-Jan-23 2:40 pm
They Are a Leader?!?! ROTFLMAO!Verizon thinks it is a leader? Talk about hubris. Let's see what the record shows. Way back when, SMS used to be cheap (5 cents a message). Then Cingular (now AT&T) bumped up their rate and Verizon followed suit. Eventually T-Mobile and Sprint joined in too in SMS price increases. Then Cingular again raised the rates and Verizon followed.
AT&T and Verizon had unlimited data plans. Then AT&T decided to impose caps and low-and-behold Verizon comes along and does that too.
I generally find that AT&T is the one that comes up with the bad ideas and Verizon jumps on board too. | |
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Re: They Are a Leader?!?! ROTFLMAO!They are the leader in not given a damn about their customers and charging more than anyone else, that's about it. Everything else they drag their feet and shout "Our network is bigger" They've got the most coverage, no one deny's that. But many are discovering their high prices and lack of concern for their customers is not worth it. I know I did after 10 years with them. | |
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Grandfathered Unlimited plansGlad I still have my unlimited plan, once they try to rip that from me I'm gone. I don't mind buying my devices out of contract or second hand, but my unlimited data is keeping me here. If they force me off of it, I'm going to T-Mobile (they have decent enough coverage I would live). | |
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2015-Jan-23 3:26 pm
Leader? Whom is he fooling?Leaders innovate. Verizon stagnates. | |
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mmay149q
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2015-Jan-23 4:05 pm
Oh really?"Verizon's besting AT&T's half-hearted effort by not participating in the latest trend at all. Verizon won't be offering such a plan, says CFO Fran Shammo"
I give them 1 year or less and you'll be seeing some silly roll over plan they offer, reason being? I'm pretty sure a lot of people out there on VZW have a contract ending this year with only a 2GB data plan, and I wonder how many of those people are not going to renew said contract when they can jump ship to another carrier and get 10 extra GB's per month of usage for the same price? This is just the beginning of 2015, once those contracts are up and people start heading off, I bet VZ changes it's tune, just you wait and see.... | |
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The proper description should be customers rolled by AT&T over data!Here is the link to the definition of rolled: » www.internetslang.com/RO ··· tion.aspOr: The definition of ROLLED is "Robbed, beaten No one will be rolled by Verizon, just sucked dry because the synonym for Verizon is Greed! | |
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IowaCowboyLost in the Supermarket Premium Member join:2010-10-16 Springfield, MA |
If Verizon doesn't fix my billing problemIf Verizon doesn't fix my billing problem over being charged for a returned Edge device, I may bail and go to AT&T. I'm never returning devices by mail ever again. I'll wait until the device is in stock at the store and trade it in person. | |
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Re: If Verizon doesn't fix my billing problemYou've called about it already? If even necessary send the proof of the returned device and warranty replacement documentation and don't pay the non-returned device fee portion of the bill. It'd make no sense to bail on the contract at this point. That will change nothing as far as the non-returned device bill and then you'll owe an early termination fee also. I don't do any of the Edge or NEXT bullshit trade-up contracts. I go with the standard 2-year and own my device at the end to do with as I please. | |
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wkm001
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2015-Jan-23 4:40 pm
I left Verizon for...I left Verizon and joined AT&T for the price. Verizon refused to offer an unsubsidized monthly rate. Although they did 8-9 months later.
I have been PLEASANTLY surprised with AT&T's coverage, service, data speeds, and customer service. I'm also using a fantastic and inexpensive phone, the OnePlus One, which I could not use on Verizon. I don't have a single reason to go back to Verizon. | |
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cash out..how many BILLIONS of dollars in customer churn does it take? apparently, ATT is taking notice at 10 billion.. | |
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SysOp
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2015-Jan-23 5:54 pm
Re: cash out..Not quite, but we get what you mean. According to AT&T, $7.9 billion of that total is "related to actuarial gains and losses on pension and postemployment benefit plans." | |
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Re: cash out..Rather convenient timing to report bad news then, huh? Guess the accounting tricks only work for so long in hiding the bad economic news. Way back when.. MCI's ceo did some jail time over lying to investors and siging off on fraudulent book keeping. Most likley, ATT will find a way to screw new onboard eployees out of pensions and retirement benefits. A whole bunch of Google fiber will probably make the telcos look like the auto industry and they'll get some sort of bailouts which will not be called bailouts. | |
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What? Roll over? What about the overage fees?If they roll over they can't ding their subs for overages. | |
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mist668 join:2011-02-15 Middleburg, PA |
FebruaryI am gone in February all four of my lines. I do not care about unlimited data anymore and for 2 lines, 1400 minutes, unlimited on mine and 2gb on my wifes our bill for the two is $150 with my 19% discount. Parents pay $50 for two 9.99 add lines, $50 to offset the minutes cost.
Going to straight talk, may suck for data and be limited but at least with the ATT they use in my area I can use the phone without a network extender. | |
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QLR
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2015-Jan-23 6:24 pm
Only here for the unlimited phone dataBeen with Verizon since 2005 and the unlimited data keeps me here. I will have to just buy used phones here on out. I am paying $112 for 450 minutes, 1K texts, unlimited smartphone data, and 2 GB data for my tablet.
If they yank my unlimited data, I will just go to AT&T since I have a prepaid account with a decent sized balance. | |
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DaveDudeNo Fear join:1999-09-01 New Jersey |
dont get itIf you live in a metro area, you dont need verizon. I know all these people who live in the northeast who are on verizon. Yet i have friends who use tmobile or even sprint. Who have the exact same reception. I guess its like just paying for a name. | |
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isVerizon is dead to me and my family.. Used to be a decent service in my area, but now, its just overpriced bullshit.. And their refusal to do the roll over data? More proof in the pudding, it hardly cost them jack to offer data, and as long as people keep taking the pounding they will continue to keep you on the desk with your skirt up | |
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Or, VZW has invested enough to have the best network, and it's not cheap.The above statement was said by Krisnatharok in the Verizon Wireless Forum. I believe my response should be restated here:
That is a belief I cannot support. The deployment of wireless service began in 1983 with the FCC issuing licenses to two wireless carriers in each city. There was the A and B system. One license was issued to the local wire line carrier and the other license to the "competitive" carrier. Both licenses were issued in the desirable 800 MHz band. Those licenses were not cheap they were free.
In the 90's the FCC issued licenses after creating the PCS Band to reduce congestion in the 800 MHz band in metropolitan areas. PCS service was intended to reduce congestion in densely populated areas. The bottom line is that AT&T and Verizon through numerous acquisitions and mergers since 1983 wound up assigned with the pot of gold in the form of most of the 800 MHz licenses. Consider South Florida, in 1983 there was Cellular One and BellSouth Mobility. Eventually AT&T acquired Cellular One. Bellsouth Mobility was merged into what became Cingular and finally AT&T acquired Cingular. AT&T is now assigned most if not all of the 800 MHz licenses in South Florida. Verizon wound up in the same situation where they acquired GTE Holdings.
Sprint and T-Mobile got the booby prize by being limited to the short range PCS Band. Omnipoint a PCS carrier initiated PCS service in South Florida. Not long after Omnipoint began operation they were bought out by a syndicate that formed Voicestream. Not long thereafter Voicestream was bought out by the syndicate that formed T-Mobile. Both Sprint and T-Mobile are handicapped by being limited to the short range PCS Frequencies.
If the Government wanted to establish a truly competitive playing field they would have passed laws limiting the amount of 800 MHz bandwidth AT&T and Verizon are allowed to control. Furthermore Sprint and T-Mobile should have been given priority to acquire licenses in the 700 MHz band and future licenses in the 600 MHz band before AT&T and Verizon are allowed to bid on them. | |
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2015-Jan-25 4:26 pm
Re: Or, VZW has invested enough to have the best network, and it's not cheap.Amen..!!! | |
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2015-Jan-25 2:59 pm
Give it time...I'd rather see the price of data drop than have roll-over gimmicks that may or may not benefit the average consumer. Data prices have been dropping and will continue to drop. What form we see those prices fall may vary between services, but the overall trend will be lower prices. Verizon has every right to refuse to follow industry trends. They have every right to experience the cost that not competing brings them. If their stockholders are happy and the numbers are good, that's all that matters. If the stockholders are unhappy and the numbers are bad, there will be a correction. Verizon continues to deliver exceptional service in more areas than any of their competition, but at some point people are going to see similar or acceptable quality at a lower price. AT&T is rapidly moving into this position but they are keeping their prices pretty high. In fact there is little to no competition going on between AT&T and Verizon as their prices are almost identical. The only difference is the AT&T rollover plan. So Verizon thinks they can ignore that and compete on their larger network. It isn't that much larger and they have already fallen behind on 4G quality, so lets see what happens. If AT&T doesn't move enough customers their way, they will continue to sweeten the deal.
If any company were going to take my business from Verizon, it would be AT&T, not T-Mobile. I need a data and voice network in many rural areas and it need it when I travel, wherever I travel. If my kid's 5 year old car breaks down, I want to be sure there is a phone signal where that happens. Price is important, but reliability is way more important. AT&T can now offer me the reliability I need and they do offer a minimal rollover option. In no way is that enough to move this perfectly happy customer over to them. It is going to take a lot more. Verizon knows this. Watch not what Verizon does, but watch what AT&T does. I see them them doubling the ante in a short amount of time. Then lets see how willing Verizon is to keep their feet planted in the sand. | |
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2015-Jan-25 9:04 pm
Re: Give it time...actually what you just described has nothing to do with cellphones. ALL cellphones REGARDLESS of carrier can call emergency on ANY cell tower. | |
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2015-Jan-25 10:14 pm
Re: Give it time...I don't think an emergency call to Mom or Dad qualifies one to have access to any tower.. | |
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T-Mobile HAS changedThey are definitely not the carrier they were 10 years ago. I recommend anyone who doesnt travel rural often to give them a shot and vote with your wallet.
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2015-Jan-27 3:54 pm
Because, as these companies never cease to remind us...they believe so much in pay per use. | |
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Suntop
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2015-Jan-28 11:36 am
Just get RED Straight Talk and use 10 gbJust get straight talk and use the data. After 3GB they will throttle but theres no OVERAGES. If say a few hundred thousand did that they'd "bleed". Since it is $0.000000001 per gb for them, yet they cannot charge you $10-$20 a GB. They can cancel the account but make a new one, repeat. After all, someday they'll be sued like over sms and will have to charge 10 cents a GB of which is likely still a massive profit... ENOUGH OF BLEEDING THE CUSTOMERS WALLETS! I also wonder if it is that costly in other countries... | |
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