Verizon Reports Largest FiOS Additions To DateDSL losses compensated by strong FiOS quarter... ( old news - 08:34AM Tuesday Jan 27 2009) tags: dsl · prices · Fiber · competition · coverage · business · telco · bundles · Verizon FIOS · Verizon Online DSLTipped by MrSpock29  Verizon lost 96,000 DSL customers last quarter for a number of reasons, not least of which are the recession, housing bubble and tight household budgets. Not helping much was the fact that Verizon had been diverting a lot of DSL marketing and support resources for promoting FiOS. Also not helping is the fact that Verizon's fastest speed in many markets remains just 3Mbps, and customers in these areas have been defecting to cable. While Verizon's FiOS and wireless businesses are doing well, their DSL business has been hit hard. To counter this, Verizon has started pushing DSL a little harder. Last October, Verizon upgraded their entry-level DSL tier to 1 Mbps downstream and 384 kbps upstream -- up from 768 Kbps/128 Kbps. The telco also revamped their bundles slightly for the 1Mbps, 3Mbps and 7Mbps tiers, reducing double and triple play pricing anywhere from $5 to $30, depending on what services and speeds users chose. Earlier this month, Verizon again started offering DSL pricing for life -- a concept they offered for a while back in 2007. According Verizon, (see press release), new Verizon customers who sign a two year contract keep their pricing for as long as they keep the service. Obviously the usefulness of this promotion is limited if DSL prices drop, or if you're able to get better deal by renegotiating one year deals (which is often the case) or switching carriers. So are the new promotions helping Verizon's DSL numbers? Not so much. But it may not matter. The company released their fourth quarter earnings today which indicate the company lost 68,000 DSL customers. However, Verizon's investment in FTTH is more than offsetting those losses -- the telco adding 282,000 new FiOS customers and/or 303,000 FiOSTV customers, giving Verizon a total of 8.9 million broadband customers. The FiOS numbers are surging because of Verizon's recent ability to more efficiently deploy FiOS to apartment buildings. Of course things are looking even brighter for Verizon once you include their wireless division, now buoyed by the addition of Alltel subscribers. Not including Alltel users, Verizon added 1.4 million wireless subscribers on the quarter.
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Matt
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1 edit | Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses said by TKJunkMail :So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere: EDIT: Oops, that's VERIZON, not Verizon WIRELESS.  | |
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| Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere: EDIT: Oops, that's VERIZON, not Verizon WIRELESS. The churn is Verizon Wireless as I said & NOT Verizon. Here is the FULL slide. Notice the Wireless at the top. [att=1] $5 if you point out to me in your post where you said Verizon Wireless. | |
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| Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses said by Matt :$5 if you point out to me in your post where you said Verizon Wireless. quote:
The churn rate on wireless customers was up as the year progressed. So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere:
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| Re: Despite great results Vz stock drops on 2009 fears & pension said by TKJunkMail :Even good news doesn't result in higher stock prices in this economy. I think everyone is trying to release their bad news in the wake of yesterday's. It's a smart move that will lessen the blow. After all, at least they didn't announce that 20,000 positions would be eliminated! | |
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Stratford, CT | Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses Wheres Craig Moffet.. ? | |
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BF69
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Camden, TN | How many are now FiOS customers? If someone drops their Verizon DSL for FiOS I don't call that a "lost" customer. Me thinks Verizon needs new bean counters. | |
| jfpatrick
join:2002-03-15
Leominster, MA | Pushing FIOS I have DSL, have had it for several years, and it's reliable. Verizon has been pestering me for the past few months to migrate to FIOS, as "DSL is not a long term solution." Told them for the price/speed difference, 7mb DSL is fine... | |
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Keller, TX | DSL numbers Another site shows DSL adds of 68K? I think they added customers. | |
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birdfeedr
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| 40% of their footprint From the link to their 4th quarter earnings report:
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By the end of 2008, Verizon's FiOS fiber-to-the-premises network passed 12.7 million premises throughout the company's wireline service territory -- greater than the company's target of 12 million by year-end 2008. Fiber-to-the-home now passes approximately 40 percent of the total households in Verizon's landline footprint.
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| Re: 40% of their footprint said by birdfeedr :From the link to their 4th quarter earnings report: quote:
By the end of 2008, Verizon's FiOS fiber-to-the-premises network passed 12.7 million premises throughout the company's wireline service territory -- greater than the company's target of 12 million by year-end 2008. Fiber-to-the-home now passes approximately 40 percent of the total households in Verizon's landline footprint.
This took about 5 years and almost 20 billion dollars, so that means total network overlay should be competed in another 8-10 years and be another 20-25 billion because Verizon left much of the hardest to upgrade lines for last. Though, I'm happy that more and more Comcast subscribers who have Verizon in their backyard laugh at their 250gb data cap and throttled docsis 3 modem offerings. | |
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| Re: 40% of their footprint said by tmc8080 :said by birdfeedr :From the link to their 4th quarter earnings report: quote:
By the end of 2008, Verizon's FiOS fiber-to-the-premises network passed 12.7 million premises throughout the company's wireline service territory -- greater than the company's target of 12 million by year-end 2008. Fiber-to-the-home now passes approximately 40 percent of the total households in Verizon's landline footprint.
This took about 5 years and almost 20 billion dollars, so that means total network overlay should be competed in another 8-10 years and be another 20-25 billion because Verizon left much of the hardest to upgrade lines for last. Though, I'm happy that more and more Comcast subscribers who have Verizon in their backyard laugh at their 250gb data cap and throttled docsis 3 modem offerings. I'm sorry but this just doesn't make sense. Why would you think that the last miles of fiber are any more difficult than the first miles? Verizon is still working on franchise agreements - the one they just got authorized in Philly will allow them to finally move into the city. Doesn't mean that Philly is any 'harder' to roll into than the surrounding suburbs.
Also, you can't just do a straight computation of cost like that. Production costs drop over time. The cost of fiber has dropped considerably over the last couple years. Implementation processes improve over time too - they're alot more proficient at installing service today than they were 2 - 3 years ago. Ditto for finding/rectifying problems, which will also help drive down cost.
Finally, much of the money already spent is on infrastructure type stuff - VHOs and COs and the like. Expanding through existing areas is MUCH cheaper than starting up a brand-new area. Much of the costs for projects like this are front-loaded. Growth over time becomes cheaper. And as their footprint grows, Verizon's bargaining power with TV channel providers will grow as well, giving them better leverage to negotiate better rates for things like TV channels, also driving down price. High tech product costs drop very quickly overall. That HD TV that I bought 20 months ago was $300 more expensive than the equivalent current model today. | |
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| said by tmc8080 :This took about 5 years and almost 20 billion dollars, so that means total network overlay should be competed in another 8-10 years and be another 20-25 billion because Verizon left much of the hardest to upgrade lines for last. Though, I'm happy that more and more Comcast subscribers who have Verizon in their backyard laugh at their 250gb data cap and throttled docsis 3 modem offerings. Assuming that Verizon doesn't sell off about 20-25% of their landline footprint. | |
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| Re: 40% of their footprint Ah, well, that was the initial plan, but they've said since then that the NH/VT/ME sell-off was much more trouble than they'd expected, so the sell-offs are paused- still, I would expect more in the future, once the economy recovers to the point where you have investors popping up with more money than sense to buy the networks. | |
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join:2008-05-20 | Awesome Glad to hear Fios is doing well. Now if only they would bring it to areas outside of Verizon's footprint...
Wishful thinking, but these results fortunately demonstrate the Fios is a viable business model. Let's hope it holds up. | |
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| Cable: "I'm too sexy..." "...Verizon's fastest speed in many markets remains just 3Mbps, and customers in these areas have been defecting to cable."
I'd rather have Verizon's 3000/768 DSL which hits those speeds any time of day on any day of the week than have cable which ranges from fast in the morning to way too slow in the evening, especially at half the price. I guess "3 meg down" just doesn't sound sexy enough for some people. | |
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| Ma knows best. Verizon is part of what is left of Ma Bell. at&t, Quest and Verizon are TPC and are not begging for a government hand out, firing people or capping usage.
What would be the state of the network if TPC were still providing universal service at an affordable price? | |
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clubs: | Re: Ma knows best. VZ 29.96 -1.03 -3.32% in the past year my VZ stock lost 23%. I gladly give up my house and food so the masses can have cheep porn. | |
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1 edit | HEY VERIZON Verizon Bring FIOS TO SANTA MARIA CALIFORNIA 90,000 and GROWING!!! I"L SIGN A 50 YEAR CONTRACT AND GIVE YOU MY FIRST BORN!!! | |
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Mesquite, TX | Re: HEY VERIZON Firstborns are expensive.  | |
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1 edit | Re: Ma knows best. Please don't blame my mastubatory habits for your bad financial planning. When the next financial crash happens I want somebody in Super Hi-Def Youtube to plead me to get the F@#* out of the market 1 year before it crashes!
Then again, if people would stop whacking off to Hi-Def PR0N and pay attention to politics, they might avoid getting screwed altogether.
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As soon as they sell off states they dont value any more......... | |
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