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Prepaid plans are good for secondary devices like tablets when one travels. Tethering with cell phone seems to be a pain, unreliable and slow. | |
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 | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Verizon's Roles Wouldn't say that. My SIII, tethered, has hit 30+ Mbps down and 10+ Mbps up. Granted, it's Sprint, but VZW phones now give tethering away for "free" (counts against your data allotment).
Five years ago, tethering was more difficult. Now? not so much. | |
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| | bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | Re: Verizon's Roles Free? you mean 20 bucks for 2 GB on 3G or 30 for shared LTE traffic. | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Verizon's Roles Nope. "Free". If you have a Share Everything plan, they charge you enough anyway that they don't care where you use the data anymore. | |
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 FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | no prepaid on lte? why not? why not let prepaid customers use the lte network? | |
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| | | Re: no prepaid on lte? Because LTE is verizon's PREMIUM network, so they don't want the prepaid demographic on it, since that demographic is often "credit-challenged." This way, their 3G network remains "monetized" (I hate that word) during the transition to LTE, since that network is already paid for and entails less risk by offering it as prepaid.
By 2021 the 3G spectrum is supposed to be refarmed to LTE or whatever else is in place by then. | |
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| Re: no prepaid on lte? That's precisely the assumption that allows these monopolistic carriers to get away with their rip-off pricing. That is, anyone who does not want to basically pay $90+ per month ($1.1K per year + handset every 2 years) is apparently "credit-challenged".
I could be worth $100 million yet I would still not pay $90+ for some shitty half-baked North American cell service. The pricing only serves to enrich the shareholders and c-level management, while they pay their workers peanuts and hire fools to provide useless CS. | |
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| | decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
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| said by podstolom:Because LTE is verizon's PREMIUM network, so they don't want the prepaid demographic on it, since that demographic is often "credit-challenged." This way, their 3G network remains "monetized" (I hate that word) during the transition to LTE, since that network is already paid for and entails less risk by offering it as prepaid.
By 2021 the 3G spectrum is supposed to be refarmed to LTE or whatever else is in place by then.
Too bad the prepaid prices are nearly that of their premium ones..
Seriously, cell companies have just gotten too damn greedy... I'm a step from just saying "screw it" an going back to a plain ol trek phone. If they decide to destroy that to force us to their more profitable plans, I think i'll just go amish on the phone world... | |
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| Re: no prepaid on lte? said by decifal:Seriously, cell companies have just gotten too damn greedy... I'm a step from just saying "screw it" an going back to a plain ol trek phone. If they decide to destroy that to force us to their more profitable plans, I think i'll just go amish on the phone world...
I'm giving this serious consideration as well. I just can't bring myself to pay $199 or $299 for a PHONE. Esp. after the crap I went through with my Thunderbolt and now this almost-as-crappy Razr. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | said by decifal:I'm a step from just saying "screw it" an going back to a plain ol trek phone. Already there. We switched to Straight Talk last year and never looked back. Their ST SIM card is definitely worth it. | |
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| | | | | said by decifal:Too bad the prepaid prices are nearly that of their premium ones..
Seriously, cell companies have just gotten too damn greedy... I'm a step from just saying "screw it" an going back to a plain ol trek phone. If they decide to destroy that to force us to their more profitable plans, I think i'll just go amish on the phone world...
Verizon per-paid with 2 GB =$70
Verizon share Everything with 2 GB=$100
This is "almost the same"?
Any no one is forcing anyone to buy cell phone service. If Verizon is too pricy don't get it. | |
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I spend on average less than $10 per month with prepaid. When I travel I swap my SIM over to my Android and pay $2-3 per day to have unlimited voice, text and more data than my handset can eat in one day for the mobile apps I might want to use since I am away from home and a PC. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: no prepaid on lte? said by iansltx:apparently building a coverage-focused network when you should be building for capacity is a bad idea. Why? It works great for (some) ISP's. You might have the best coverage but if the speeds are the same as (at times) 2G, what's the point? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: no prepaid on lte? Building for a cell radius of five miles...heck, three miles...in an area where nearly every point in that radius is developed is a recipe for disaster even for 10x10 LTE. Guess what Verizon has done, to my knowledge... | |
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| said by FBGuy:why not? why not let prepaid customers use the lte network?
Verizon believes that prepaid subs are second-class citizens, and treats them as such. | |
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| Re: no prepaid on lte? said by bobjohnson:said by FBGuy:why not? why not let prepaid customers use the lte network?
Verizon believes that prepaid subs are second-class citizens, and treats them as such. Exactly! That's why the prepaids have such poor coverage. | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: no prepaid on lte? You can get VZW prepaid via Page Plus Cellular. You just don't get...you guessed it...LTE access. | |
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| | | | | | Re: no prepaid on lte? I used Page Plus for the past year. Unlimited talk and text with 2GB of data for $55. Same Verizon coverage, was really happy. But I couldn't use any new phones. I picked up a used GS3 and now use LTE. I have to admit, it is worth the monthly premium. It costs $150 for two lines with unlimited talk and text along with 4GB of shared data. Sadly having the GS3 and Verizon's LTE is worth $20 extra per phone, as compared to Page Plus. If you compare it to Verizon's prepaid plans it is about the same.
My Droid Incredible 2 was a great phone but the GS3 spanks it six ways to Sunday. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: no prepaid on lte? Yes, the SGS3 does, but I wouldn't want to pay $150/mo for 2 years. Heck, I could buy a pair of GSM SGS3s, throw a ST SIM card each one, and save (($150x24) - ($495x2x2) - ~$600x2 = $400).
I'm waiting for the SGS4 to officially come out in a few months. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: no prepaid on lte? The catch with Straight Talk is that you don't get LTE there either. T-Mobile H+ comes close, but then you have to deal with a digital divide issue: if you can't get cable 'net at a location, you probably can't get 3G or better on T-Mobile either. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: no prepaid on lte? said by iansltx:The catch with Straight Talk is that you don't get LTE there either. T-Mobile H+ comes close, but then you have to deal with a digital divide issue: if you can't get cable 'net at a location, you probably can't get 3G or better on T-Mobile either. T-Mobile doesn't cover everywhere. Try getting a signal here.
I don't really care that ST doesn't have LTE. I use my phone to stream Rdio (HQ Streaming) and SSH/VPN into my home network. I rarely stream Netflix or do anything massively data intensive. Of course, it could be that ST eventually will throttle you if you use too much.
..but for $45/mo flat, it's better than VZ or at&t charging almost double then nail you for overages if you use more than you're supposed to. LTE is nice, but not worth it if they can't adjust caps with the speeds. Why utilize their "Premium Network" if you're stuck with a 2GB cap that can be eaten through in an hour or less?
..and the reason I want the SGS4 is not for the LTE, it's for everything else.
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| I love that mentality. It reaffirms my believe that when they're busy trying to rub you the wrong way, the shaken feathers are actually falling off their scalp and not mine. 
I've been a happy prepaid customer since November. People are stupid for still doing contracts. | |
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| | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | said by bobjohnson:said by FBGuy:why not? why not let prepaid customers use the lte network?
Verizon believes that prepaid subs are second-class citizens, and treats them as such. Um, news-flash: prepaid customers are second-class citizens. Not only are we treated as such, but the American public likes it that way.
Those who are able, willing, or gullible enough to spend $120+/month on a "smart" phone plan on a what they perceive as the premier carrier, and commit to a 2-year contract, indeed are the most sought-after customers, so they're going to get the top tier service. | |
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| decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Our biggest hangup on the prepaid is the lack of hotspot/tethering available with it... I am dual purposing my phone subscription being we have no real land line options here... Less theres a reasonable prepaid where tethering/hotspot is available?? | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Too Expensive. Why? Then, they'd be cheaper than T-Mobile. | |
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| | should move to RUIM for all phones i would like to see verizon prepaid become a RUIM(CDMA sim card) product that can be used in any verizon phone with a SIM slot even if only 3G and LTE turned off. this would allow for easy phone swapping. of course i would also like to se the RUIM's offered by verizon MVNO's such as pageplus.
if verizon wants their net10, straighttalk flavors to compete against at&t and t-mobile versions this would be the necessary first step. because of network reliability and much larger and cheaper selection of high end used phones verizon MVNO could easily charge a premium price over those using at&t or t-mobile but a switch to RUIM is a must. | |
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join:2012-07-22
New Jersey Reviews:
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| Prepaid only? said by Karl :
clearly converting the company's existing 3G, EVDO network into prepaid only
Do you really mean to say that people with 3G phones will be forced to prepaid accounts?
Or do you mean that prepaid customers will be restricted to 3G? | |
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| AmmlerPremium
join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Prepaid only? This means that eventually Verizon will not be offering 3G phones to the Post Paid subs.
Only phones offered will be LTE phones to these folks.
But if you want to go Pre Paid, then you only get to choose 3G phones only.
Have you ever seen the phones offered on their Pre Paid Plans? They suck! | |
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| Re: Prepaid only? They don't offer 3G-only phones to post-paid, except perhaps for some old iPhones they still have in inventory, and they are practically giving those away.
Karl's summary is misleading, LTE customers will always have the ability to fall back to the 3G network, until such time as it is turned off. There is no reason for Verizon to artificially restrict people to the LTE network, even after it achieves 100% coverage.
Post-paid people were allowed to force their phones (or drop back automatically) to the AMPS network until the FCC allowed Verizon to shut it down. | |
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| | | AmmlerPremium
join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Prepaid only? Yes they do, it is called the "Basic Phone" section. You can still buy new 3G only phones, for how long is the question. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Prepaid only? Non smartphones don't really count, their data usage is next to nothing, even for those users who use WAP or e-mail. Most won't use data at all, except for the occasional picture message. | |
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join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Prepaid only? Ah, I am a Post Paid sub with a basic flip phone, and I most certainly do count.
My wife and I don't want smart phones, and I do use data to check the weather when I'm out and about.
My current phone, Motorola Barrage does everything I want, including playing my iTunes (iPhone what???). | |
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| | EVDO vs LTE A benefit of the LTE rollout in my area is that the existing 3G towers finally have fiber and got off of the copper. As they never had enough bandwidth (not enough T-1s to the sites), EVDO was much slower than it should have been. Now that the fiber is turned up (Gig-E?), the 3g stuff SCREAMS! As I and my kid are both heavy users (between 2-4 gig each per month), I am going to stay on my granfathered unlimited 3g family plan as long as possible. My Droid2 (R2-D2) and my kids Iphone 4s are AWESOME now, and still work great, so I am comfy where I am at, and will stay 3g until they boot me off. | |
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| | | Re: EVDO vs LTE Heck I just may buy my phone off contract, and just wi-fi everything. I hardly use my phone as a phone anymore, and more like a hand held computer, and 90% of the time on Wi-Fi.
With Google voice, phone and messaging is easy over wi-fi. No need to pay extra. | |
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join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | Contract Does anyone know if they can force you onto one of these plans when your contract expires? Are all the people with unlimited plans going to be forced into something they don't want? | |
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| | stop paying maybe it cost verizon $10/gb when they were charging $80 but now they're charging about $10/gb when it cost them about 70 cents/gb even when NOT using their own towers. | |
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join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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| What about those areas that don't have LTE? There are several areas in my city (Cleveland, OH) that don't have LTE coverage and that my phone drops to 3G CDMA mode. Verizon says that my entire area has LTE coverage which is a big fat lie. If that were the case my phone would never drop to 3G CDMA.
Great, with those people only on the 3G CDMA network and the fact that my phone drops to 3G CDMA mode because there are so many areas of my city that don't have LTE coverage, my download speeds are going to be even worse than they already are on 3G CDMA. 3G CDMA is already a joke in my area, massively oversold and Verizon seems to have no interest in fixing the issue.
Oh well, five more months of Verizon Wireless hell and off to another carrier. Probably AT&T since T-Mobile is worse than Verizon, if that's even possible. Sprint? No... just no.
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