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Verizon Sees Symmetrical 10 Gbps In FiOS Trials
Using Alcatel Lucent XG-PON2 prototype technology

Verizon's been busily conducting GPON connectivity trials in the field, showcasing how future upgrades could theoretically allow them to offer 10 Gbps to each home, or symmetrical 1 Gbps service to each PC in said home. GPON is theoretically capable of offering 2.4 Gbps downstream and 1.2 Gbps upstream. Back in August Verizon conducted tests using a business customer in Massachusetts, and was able to obtain FiOS speeds of 925 Mbps to a local server and 800 Mbps to a regional speed test server.

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Today Verizon announced that using pre-standard XG-PON2 technology by Alcatel-Lucent, Verizon says they were able to deliver a 10 Gbps downstream and upstream connection to this same trial customer. Verizon's offering a YouTube video highlighting the XG-PON2 technology at work; the company downloading a 2.4 GB film in just four seconds. Says Verizon:
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The optical network terminal (ONT) unit placed at the business-customer location supported up to 10 single GigE links, as well as one dedicated link capable of delivering the full 10 Gbps symmetric speeds to a single location. Two PCs, each having a 10 Gbps network interface card, were communicating across the network between the ONT and the line terminal equipment located in the Verizon switching facility in Taunton.
What does this mean in the real world outside of this being a nice PR boost for Verizon? Not a whole lot just yet; the XG-PON 1 standard has yet to even be ratified, and residential FiOS customers are still waiting on the GPON-based 100 Mbps tier Verizon's been testing in employee homes for much of the last year. Verizon's current top FiOS speed is 50 Mbps downstream and 20 Mbps upstream for $140 a month. The company also offers 15/5 Mbps for $50 and a symmetrical 25 Mbps tier for $65.
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Hazy Arc
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Cool.

Cool. Meanwhile, I'm struggling to maintain an HD stream from Netflix and the 10Mbps and I am paying for during the evening with Centurylink.

cableties
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Re: Cool.

Yep.

Speaking about Netflix, anyone with an Xbox and Netflix seeing connection issues? I mean, I have a 15/15 and I shouldn't be seeing less than 3 bars (unless it's Netflix or Xbox issue).

Ha. 2.4Gbps... I GOT MORE GEEBEES with FIOS!!! (need new router, and likely fiber direct to PC/MAC interfaces...)

And lo, the King and his court get SUPERFIOS, whilest the peasants get DSL! (if they are lucky)...

Support "Fiber 2 the Farm" Project!!! Rural fiber...it's more than grain, it's FIBER!
BB_Hunter
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Re: Cool.

said by cableties:

Yep.

Speaking about Netflix, anyone with an Xbox and Netflix seeing connection issues? I mean, I have a 15/15 and I shouldn't be seeing less than 3 bars (unless it's Netflix or Xbox issue).

Ha. 2.4Gbps... I GOT MORE GEEBEES with FIOS!!! (need new router, and likely fiber direct to PC/MAC interfaces...)

And lo, the King and his court get SUPERFIOS, whilest the peasants get DSL! (if they are lucky)...

Support "Fiber 2 the Farm" Project!!! Rural fiber...it's more than grain, it's FIBER!
I don't use Netflix on the 360 but on the PS3 & computer I can't seem to get an HD stream with an 8Mbps connection

Hazy Arc
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I use the 360, and yes, I'm struggling to maintain 4 bars and an HD stream. But I think it's related to the fact that I'm only seeing 2-4Mbps during the evening on my supposed 10Mbps connection.

aztecnology
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Netflix sent out an email saying they were having some issues, and were issuing a credit of some sort...

Smith6612
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While I don't use Netflix, I believe they are having issues with their CDN considering that outage last week.

aztecnology
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Hey big V, my FiOS connection is ready when you are...

N3OGH
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BUUUUUUURP!
JUST HOOK IT TO MY VEINS!!!!!!

FastiBook
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Re: Cool.

Ok Johnny. Do you want the black shakes?

- A

r81984
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Yawn. Its fiber it can go faster than this.
If DSL can go 10 Gbps then that would be news.

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said by r81984:

Yawn. Its fiber it can go faster than this.
If DSL can go 10 Gbps then that would be news.
It is news because fiber to the home or a regular business doesn't have equipment cheap enough to deploy such a thing. This is a test of equipment that will be cheap enough to do that at some point.

Yes, fiber is hundreds of times faster than this right now when running DWDM equipment utilizing 160 separate frequencies for 10G/40G/100G, but it is extremely expensive, and would never be deployed to homes or businesses that need a single connection.

You don't compare backbone fiber speeds to FTTH speeds and yawn about it.

But if you have a 160 channel DWDM ROADM setup at your house, then I guess you're allowed...
patcat88
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Re: Cool.

The problem is, no small business or residential customer can PAY for the bandwidth in the core router that they will be using. The loop is the cheap part, the backbone and spare capacity on the router wont be.
Expand your moderator at work
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meanwhile back in reality........

most users ARE NOT in FiOS territory, or Verizon has tried to balk on franchising agreements, tossed all their DSL lines, and the end users suffer the most. what about all the verizon and former verizon customers who could barely get 2mbps, let alone 1 Gbps. this is just and simply Public relations to say that they can, and downplay the fact that less than 10% of their actual customer base will see any speeds more than a few mbps for the next 50 years unless they switch to cable or the govt that is bought and sold steps in.

runzero
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Re: meanwhile back in reality........

A good chunk of Verizon customers are in FiOS territory, I'd say about 70-80%. The other 20% are either dirt-poor, in cities that refused to sign contracts with Verizon, or are too low in population to be profitable.

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Re: meanwhile back in reality........

said by runzero:

A good chunk of Verizon customers are in FiOS territory, I'd say about 70-80%. The other 20% are either dirt-poor, in cities that refused to sign contracts with Verizon, or are too low in population to be profitable.
You couldn't be farther from the truth on that one.
chgo_man99
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Re: meanwhile back in reality........

20% are either dirt-poor

While their kids pay fortune for unlimited texting or buy vodka.
Bob61571
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"The other 20% are either dirt-poor, in cities that refused to sign contracts with Verizon, or are too low in population to be profitable."

Sir/Madam, you sure have an interesting opinion about New York City, Baltimore, and Washington, DC.
patcat88
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Re: meanwhile back in reality........

Cities have rich areas and poor areas. Rich areas cross subsidize poor areas. Unless its Rhode Island, rural areas have no rich areas to subsidize all the poor in that rural area.

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said by runzero:

A good chunk of Verizon customers are in FiOS territory, I'd say about 70-80%. The other 20% are either dirt-poor, in cities that refused to sign contracts with Verizon, or are too low in population to be profitable.
Try 20% are in fios territory.
Fios is vaporware to the vast majority of Verizon territory.
glinc
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Oh My....

I want this already! come to NYC!. I just can't imagine how much porn I can download in 1 min lolx.

Bill Neilson
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As a 25/25 FiOS customer, I love it and see

no reason to really upgrade as the streaming is perfect for all my video needs
nanaki333
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right after the 800+Mb DSL announcement

verizon is just showing off the size of their e-peen

jarablue
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Newsgroups!

I have Verizons 35/35 FIOS service and love it. As soon as the new tiers come out, I am racing to the phone to order them. Hurry up Verizon!

Usenet here I come!

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Re: Newsgroups!

said by jarablue:

Usenet here I come!
But be aware that Verizon no longer runs an Usenet server.

Bodybagger
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Noice...

WoW 15/5 for $50 a month?! I'm paying that now for 1.5/394k!
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Re: Noice...

said by Bodybagger:

WoW 15/5 for $50 a month?! I'm paying that now for 1.5/394k!
The internet portion of my tripple-play by Verizon is ~$20 for 25/15M, which yields 31/26 in actual use. There are no taxes for net as well.

ansar
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There goes half a cap...

Hehe...
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the company downloading a 2.4 GB film in just four seconds.
I just had to laugh when I thought this would be half of a month's cap on wireless.
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Re: There goes half a cap...

said by ansar:

Hehe...
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the company downloading a 2.4 GB film in just four seconds.
I just had to laugh when I thought this would be half of a month's cap on wireless.
Or a whole month plus overages on AT&T

ztmike
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Must be nice.

Must be nice Verizon to be able to dump half your customer base off and not worry about having to upgrade them anymore plus off loading your debt.

My whole damn state was sold off, so I sure as hell won't be seeing Verizon FiOS in my lifetime, unless I happen to move somewhere where they actually serve it.

Its either Comcast or AT&T for me..and Comcast is a joke for those kinda speeds..not to mention their 250GB cap. And AT&T..their still rocking 6/768 as their top speed tier. WHAT A JOKE.

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Re: Must be nice.

did verizon sell to AT&T? or is there overlap between verizon and AT&T where you live?
chgo_man99
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If att offered u-verse top 18 (or 24 If) in you area but had to pay $150 installation to have standalone Internet would u take that?

As for 250 gb, I have donwloadd lot of stuff including tormenting but I never went above 250. It was usually half or less. But I use Internet alone. I don't share it with anybody.

runzero
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If your local phone company is AT&T, then you never had Verizon service in the first place. All of the territory was sold to Frontier.

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Re: Must be nice.

said by runzero:

If your local phone company is AT&T, then you never had Verizon service in the first place. All of the territory was sold to Frontier.
A town 10 miles away had Verizon which I lived in, but don't any more..now Verizon is not even in my STATE.
frdrizzt
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Parlor Trick

Numbers like 10 Gbps are mere parlor tricks.

Time will tell whether Verizon and 10 Gbps GPON are up to the task. For now, Verizon's leap to 10 Gbps is about market positioning and bragging rights rather than delivering a useful service to a mass customer market.

runzero
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Unlike that theoretical 800Mbps lab test, this was done over actual deployed fiber to the home. 10 Gbps is a bit exaggerating in terms of what people will actually see in their service, but 1-2 Gbps is well within the range of what FiOS is capable of. I doubt you understand the capability of FTTH.

Gotcha. You really have to dig deep into context to get it.
frdrizzt
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Re: Parlor Trick

I'm actually just making fun of things Verizon has said in the past.

»www.pcmag.com/print_arti ··· int=true

I just changed the speeds and the company name. I just couldn't help but think of their thoughts on "fast speeds" when they weren't providing the top speeds vs this experiment.

It's a combination of impractical (at the moment, though I could definitely see speeds approaching 1 Gbps over the next few years) and cool in a nerdy way. I'm all for innovation for faster connections. I know how FTTH technology works.

thegeek
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I'd be happy with..

a symmetrical 10/10. Best upload I can get in my area right now is 2mb. I can get 50mb down though. I have no need for that fast of a download (right now). But I often upload large files, both for work and other less legitimate reasons, and 2mb is freakin slow.
moes
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fios

Seems Fios is avail in fortwayne, but not the rest of the state. when asking verizon directly they inform me that att has a monopoly and to talk to my state rep to get that changed.
chgo_man99
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Re: fios

I believe your FIOS was sold to Frontier.
bigred1324
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I highly doubt Fios here will be upgraded beyond what we have now. I really don't see a company with billions in debt spending the money on just a over 100,000 subscribers.
kmcheng
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still waiting

won't mean anything when the line still ain't here...
chances14
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sigh

forget 10gbps fiber, i would be satisfied with 1mbs dsl in my area but that wont ever happen

pclover
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Is it really necessary

WHO THE F*** NEEDS 10 Gbps for a home connection!

10 Gbps is enough bandwidth for a small DC backbone!

Version needs to bring FIoS to more areas NOT increase the speeds to stuff that people wont need to use until 2020

Also how affordable is 10 Gbps going to be? LMAO

10Gbps x 1,000,000 Customers = 10,000,000 Gbps

Umm yeah ok that's going to be REALLY affordable. Also how in the hell is version going to support that much BW. I doubt there network can even handle 20 10 Gbps customers at the moment.

How much is your internet bill Eric?

I pay $9,995 a month

Even the top data centers don't' have that kind of BW Most I've seen for a DC is around 300 Gbps for the backbone.
tmc8080
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fios customers

yes, I'll take, use and want faster speed as soon as they can deliver it at my current rate. $33 delivered as part of the triple play plan in NYC. currently they deliver 25/25 (middle tier can go from 25 symmetric to 50 symmetric) which in currently is 30/25... so 100/100 would be a nice upgrade for no price increase (on the tier level above mine). afterall, they can't get to 10 gigabit in a residential price range that would be feasable without making hundreds of megabits dirt cheap first.

BTW, from what I remember, the upstream was supposed to max out at 75 megabits (with the node being fully utilized and maxed out by each customer).. now they're saying that customers could in theory get the full 100/100 even if the node is maxed out with customers?! Hmm.. not without reprovisioning the node with fiber optic cables or upgrading the node cards. Originally, nodes were supposed to be a 1:1 fiber optic cable for each home. If verizon tries to stretch that info hundreds of megabits per customer, fiber multiplexing on a more than 1:1 fiber will probably be needed. Unless nodes, headend line cards, and the backbone have been upgraded without there being so much as a press release. Also, the MOCA ont's will need to be swapped once they pass 175mbits in aggregate useage (video, phone, internet).

It's time for Verizon to unveil the 100/100 tier and boost lower tiers anyway. They have to stick it to their overlapping competition in 2011, comcast, cablevision, time warner. 25, 50 and 100 would change the game of cable advertising agsinst DSL and force cable companies to offer more than a maximum upload of between 2 & 15 megabits. Fee disputes btw cable companies & broadcasters will seem rather irrelevant then.

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Deploy Deploy Deploy

I get tired of seeing all these useless announcements of technology that will never see the light of day or won't be available until 2050.