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Verizon, Siemens Test 100Gbps
Sets distance record for 100Gbps over 646 miles...
Last fall, Verizon said they'd completed the industry's first field test of 100 gigabits per second (Gbps) core optical transmission, running FiOSTV content on a 312-mile network route between Tampa, Florida and Miami. Verizon and Siemens today announced that they've nearly doubled that distance record, sending a 100 Gbps transmission on a single wavelength for more than 1,040 kilometers (646 miles) over field fiber. Verizon had previously stated they believed the shift from 40 Gbps to 100 Gbps core network technology will be exponentially quicker than the move from 10 Gbps to 40 Gbps.
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ninjatutle
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Wow

All of these P2P thieves are fizzing in their trousers right now.

Tokidoki
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Re: Wow

said by ninjatutle:

All of these P2P thieves are fizzing in their trousers right now.
All done here.

Minor Edit: If I steal anything, its 99.9% anime

Chiyo
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Re: Wow

said by Tokidoki:

said by ninjatutle:

All of these P2P thieves are fizzing in their trousers right now.
All done here.

Minor Edit: If I steal anything, its 99.9% anime
Huggles Vathral .... ITS FROM AN ANIME I SWEAR *runs

NOCMan
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Ya know that's kinda low stealing Anime.

pspcrazy
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Yea welcome to BBR land of people who think the only thing p2p is used for is piracy lol. Plus their not thieves even if it's stolen content, their copyright infringers. The original disk is still in the hand of the owner.
88615298 (banned)
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Re: Wow

said by pspcrazy:

Yea welcome to BBR land of people who think the only thing p2p is used for is piracy lol.
Yes yes we all know you need to download 1 TB worth of Linux distros every month.
Plus their not thieves even if it's stolen content, their copyright infringers. The original disk is still in the hand of the owner.
Um still a crime last time I checked. Kind of like saying a guy who robbed a convenience store with a knife is somehow less of criminal than someone that used a gun.

Point is people shouldn't be taking or "copyng" anything without paying for it first. If someone's job doesn't pay enough that they can't afford a $15 DVD then maybe getting a copy of Iron man isn't ther most pressing need. As I alyways say, if you can afford a computer and you can afford internet access you can afford your content.

dirtwarrior
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Re: Wow

Most thieves are your kids, and adults whith no lifes. and thats about half of all internet users. secondly there's so much content on the NET it's a pain in the ass knowing whats legal for download and whats not legal. seriously ohh and it's not my fault or your's it's are governments fault ehh lol.
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Re: Wow

said by dirtwarrior:

secondly there's so much content on the NET it's a pain in the ass knowing whats legal for download and whats not legal.
Oh please. If you're downloading a movie or TV show or song on bitorent and you are not paying for it that is for SALE at other places then it's pretty obvious what you are doing is illegal.

When you walk into wal-mart I'm pretty sure you can tell the diference between the free smaples and the actual product. You'd have to be close to actual mental reatrdation to not know the differnce between legal and illegal content on the net.

dirtwarrior
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Re: Wow

really yeah wal-mart is not the internet for one. an lets say you sign up at a movie download website, only to find out the whole time the site was illegal see my point.
psx_defector
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Re: Wow

Use some damned sense. You think some Russian website that hosts movies that have just been released yesterday is on the up and up?

For every person that is using P2P for "legit" uses, like the aforementioned terabyte of Linux ISOs, there are 1000 more that use it for warez/pr0n. And even the pr0n is a second to the sheer amount of warez out there.

People here need to quit deluding themselves. P2P's main function is the dissemination of pirate media, be it software, music, or movies. To say otherwise is just plain stupid.

That being said, there are plenty of legit uses of P2P. Ignoring the dubious business model that relies on getting software out to others not through their own OC12 but through everyone else's pipes, saving said company MILLIONS in bandwidth charges, there has to be a better way to send this data. Perhaps a client that only moves legit content, with headers marked as so.

dirtwarrior
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Re: Wow

what about the kids.
psx_defector
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Re: Wow

I say F the children, metaphorically of course.

I'm sick of that argument too. I don't have children. I am restricted from buying a perfectly legal beverage around my town because some kids MIGHT try to buy beer. You know what, if they are buying it, maybe perhaps someone should have thought twice than selling to obvious children. And once again, going back to the argument about P2P, the one teen attempting to buy beer is just a drop in the bucket compared to over 21 friends/thievery/swiping from parents. A beer store doesn't open up and all of a sudden every teen in the area is lined up attempting to buy beer.

Have some damn common sense.

If kids are accessing sites that you have no knowledge about, then you failed as a parent, and deserve whatever you get. You don't leave your wireless open, therefore don't leave your network wide open if you don't want people to access stuff.

God gave us filters, learn to use them. If I can block it in a corporate environment, anyone can certainly do it in a home.

dirtwarrior
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Re: Wow

well thats true but most parents dont give ah fuck what there kids do. all parents will say they do but lets face it its hard nowadays to tell a 16 year old what to do you no it in so do I an further more most kids teens whatever dont have jobs and that higher's the rate for theft. and I do have common snse way more then this whole site combined.
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said by dirtwarrior:

an lets say you sign up at a movie download website, only to find out the whole time the site was illegal see my point.
Oh please. You are not that stupid are you?

"Gee I wonder if this apple.com is legit? I'm not sure about amazon.com. It might be a ripoff. Freemovies.ru yeah that looks legit."
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Kind of like saying a guy who robbed a convenience store with a knife is somehow less of criminal than someone that used a gun.
I would say that still is a bit extreme. I would say it's not stealing at all but classify it as copying without permission(may be treated the same in terms of penalties). Since you are not taking anything, you are actually just not paying for I would call fair usage rights since it's all virtual content.

The tough part is how to equate damages. If you copied a song but would never would have purchased if stealing/copying was impossible then in reality the artist would never see any profit regardless. If you would buy the song if you couldn't copy it then the stealing label is easier to attach since the artist is loosing the sale. I know it's impossible to prove which case the person actually fits into, and that's one reason why this is a tough but interesting issue.

The thing that I found really ridiculous is the incredibly over inflated damages the record industry is seeking. Technically the only damage if stealing was proved is the loss of the sale for fair usage rights of the content. I agree that some penalty has to be added for committing a crime(assume a clear definition of what constitutes stealing "usage rights" is created) and also legal costs. With that added up it should still be a fraction of what they are actually daring to ask.

This is how I see the issue as of this post.

cheers
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Re: Wow

said by deminicus:

The tough part is how to equate damages. If you copied a song but would never would have purchased if stealing/copying was impossible then in reality the artist would never see any profit regardless.
Not wanting to pay for something isn't an excuse for stealing( or copying )it. Using that excuse I could copy anything and if they came after me just say "Well I wasn't going to pay for it anyways so you didn't lose anything" And they ARE losing something because as soon as "intent not to pay" becomes a legitimate excuse to copy without paying then no one will pay.

If I pay $15 for a downloaded movie from Amazon then some freeloader shouldn't get it for free just because he didn't feel like paying.

Damages are simple to figure out. 3X the cost plus court costs.

QuakeFrag
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upgrades upgrades upgrades

Hoo-rah for infrastructure upgrades (or the technology to do so). Now it just needs to be implemented and put to practical use. If ISPs begin to upgrade their networks and backbones, then they wouldn't be so congested by heavy users (or as the poster above says, thieves). But all of this makes no sense, no one wants to spend money, they just want to milk it for what it's worth.

Congrats to Siemens and Verizon pushing the limits.
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Re: upgrades upgrades upgrades

This is for the backbone, which is already fairly robust and able to meet today's demands. It's also the easiest and lowest cost portion of the network to upgrade. The vast majority of network congestion occurs much closer to the last mile, which unfortunately is the slowest and most expensive portion of the network to upgrade.

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Re: upgrades upgrades upgrades

I was aware this was backbone related. I was unaware of the fact that backbones are of the least congested areas, and are fully capable of handling today's needs.

Matt3
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Single Fiber?

said by Article :

...100 Gbps transmission on a single wavelength for more than 1,040 kilometers (646 miles) over field fiber.
That's the key ... a single wavelength. You can do 100Gbps right now using WDM and 10 x 10 Gbps links. I can't wait until this is scaled up to WDM using 10 x 100Gbps links!

telcolackey5
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Re: Single Fiber?

said by Matt3:

I can't wait until this is scaled up to WDM using 10 x 100Gbps links!
This, and several other 100G optical trials and router interface trials have already been done. The optical side is running over a single wavelength in a DWDM system.. which means you could put more than one 100G link on a fiber.
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Yeah...imagine those speeds with a 250gb cap...lol.

dirtwarrior
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good god

Thats Insane, and as for stealing, only thing im stealing is dns, and as crazy as it may seem Im on Verizon's 20/20 plan. and I only consume, at the most 12gb a month. and I rarely use the upload, at the most I use about 1.5mb of it and that's only when I game but it is nice to have such a fat pipe just in case one day I have too use it lol. I wish I could share it amongst some of you turtle surfer's.
sphinxguy18
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Verizon, Siemens Test 100Gbps

Okay, so when do they extended their speeds for the users to 100mb connections now? I have a friend that has the 20/20 pkg and it's very often that I FTP and max the upload line from the PC. His max up is my max down and it still take 20 mins to transfer 750mb 1,000 miles away.

But I will say Verizon upgrading their backbone to 100Gbps isn't going to help anyone that isn't on Verizon's network. If you have Time Warner or Cox Comm and their backbone only handles lets say 15Gpbs then it's not going to be impacted any. You still have hops to take into consideration and distance along with your ISP speed.

But I agree w/ everyone else .... "Congrats Verizon and Siemens"!!

dirtwarrior
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yes it will

If your internet company piggy back's of Verizon, or as most tech's call it peering with Verizon, an other words if your internet company pay's Verizon to use there lines then yes it will help.

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Core network

This is quite a feat! Very impressive technology. Verizon at least is expanding their last mile network to fiber. Also, they refuse to be a net nanny like AT&T. Additionally, their wireless network has superior coverage and their customer service is more highly rated. So which company do you really think is doing the better job of providing the kind of service that customers want? Verizon apparently gives a damn about their customers to some extent.

AT&T has potential but they want to control and net nanny and play traffic cop for the government and corporations. Also, they are not willing to extend fiber to the premises. Although, I do understand their reasoning behind that and support their u-verse efforts. Try comparing their wireless coverage and reliability to Verizon though. There is no comparison (at least where I live). In rural areas esp Verizon has them beat.

The only criticism i can think of is that Verizon has neglected DSL in some of their territory.

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Smith6612

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Congrats!

to Verizon and Siemens for this achievement. Once Verizon starts to get the ball rolling with upgrades on this to their backbone, who'd know how much data they can push using their existing trunk lines. But this will show some good signs for FiOS and even possibly DSL customers for more speed boosts and bandwidth in the future.

Also, if Verizon does own Alter.net, anyone who peers with them would certainly see some benefits.

anon219
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Congrats

Well at least 1 company is doing the hardwork..Comcast on the other hand is just laying down caps/throttling. At&t on the other hand ..is a joke.

SpaethCo
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Re: Congrats

said by anon219 :

Well at least 1 company is doing the hardwork..Comcast on the other hand is just laying down caps/throttling. At&t on the other hand ..is a joke.
Comcast started testing 100G backbone links back in March.

»www.lightreading.com/doc ··· site=cdn

In any case, backbone capacity and subscriber edge capacity are two vastly different things. It's like comparing the collective amount of money at your bank and the amount of money in your specific checking account.

dirtwarrior
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good

for Comcast jeez with all there subscribers, that money should go some where "else" like FTTH.
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enough fancy headlines...

implemnet 50/50mbit as entry level speed for $29.95, and 100/100mbit for $59.95 for INTERNET, not sending 100gbit of TV intra network.

THAT, my friend is a headline... all this head-end network testing is b/s! Raising prices, nickel and diming (I have a new term: $$ ^^bill creep^^ $$)POTS service and TV service is what will kill off interest in FIOS. Something bold needs to happen.. not just killing mandatory contracts for FIOS with ETF's.. but new bold lower prices. $29.95 for entry level cable and VOIP for $24.95 (let customers choose whether to bundle or not). $3.99 standard/hd rental (shouln't be a premium for HD services the closer we get to 2009). $5.99 hd dvr rental. Then TWC & Cablevision will *poop* their pants.

Bundled: $84.85, no bill creep. no taxes and fees, no surcharges. All access & franchise fees included. 1st set-top no rental charge. No installation charge.
EPS4
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Re: enough fancy headlines...

You realize it's impossible to offer high speeds on the last mile without having a strong backend, right?

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The last mile and Verizon

In their remaining footprint (not including entire states that they dumped) -

Where are those miles - under cherry trees?
NbWY1
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Pride?

This is the kind of thing that just gives me goosebumps all over. 20/20 is already a pipe dream x2, anything beyond is just ludicrous fun

Bring it on VZ. There's GPON in my basement.