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Verizon (Sort Of) Addresses FiOS Deployment Freeze
FiOS may still come 'to towns and villages NEAR you.'
by Karl Bode Tuesday 16-Mar-2010 tags: Fiber · coverage · business · Verizon FiOS · Verizon Online DSL
The past few weeks we've been exploring how Verizon's FiOS deployment is grinding to a halt for some, specifically right outside the city lines of places like Alexandria, Virginia and Baltimore, Maryland. Places that were once promised deployment are now on hold indefinitely, as Verizon tries to market to existing deployment markets and waits to see if they can get some taxpayer funding for FiOS. Verizon hasn't responded to requests for comment on how much of of their DSL base won't get FiOS, but Verizon's Bill Kula addresses the deployment halt somewhat over at their Verizon at Home Blog.


"You may have seen some recent discussion about Verizon’s deployment of our all fiber-optic network, and I wanted to set the record straight for our At Home readers," says Kula, who apparently reads Broadband Reports. "As we move forward this year, we’re focusing on building our fiber-based network and increasing FiOS availability in those areas where we already have video franchises in place," says Kula.

That of course means cities like New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC where Verizon has recently signed citywide franchise agreements. Except as many of those cities will find out in a few years, their agreements with Verizon (usually hashed out in private with city leaders) include find print that allows Verizon to back out of 100% citywide deployment promises if Verizon doesn't see certain television service adoption rates.

You'll note that Kula doesn't really deny that Verizon has put the brakes on deployments elsewhere, though he tries to comfort Verizon readers by insisting that FiOS may still come to "towns and villages near you." Well, as long as your market signed a franchise agreement (which Verizon is no longer negotiating anywhere), and you don't live in places like Baltimore or Alexandria.

On the positive side, Kula reminds readers that FiOS should pass (again, that doesn't always mean serve) about 18 million premises by the end of this year, and Verizon is now the nation's eighth biggest TV provider. This year's urban push to 18 million homes passed should bring them to about 60% of their total customer base. That other 40% is starting to get curious about what's going to happen to them, and may have to wait a while to get their answer.

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perki

join:2008-12-01
Santa Maria, CA

What if???

What if a small small portion of your town has fios already is there hope for the rest that life in said town???
horseshoe
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join:2006-10-11
Upland, CA

Re: What if???

Same in Upland. Fios is active in a small portion, but inactive in a large portion. RIP/FIOS, at least in this inactive part.
ExSanguin8or6

join:2007-04-14
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Re: What if???

Yup. Rancho Cucamonga is almost completely shutout of FiOS service due to VZ and the city not coming to terms with each other. Our latest and greatest hope is now Google. The Chamber of Commerce here (in RC) submitted the request this month so we are all hoping that Google saves us.
jjaromin

join:2004-09-30
Chesterfield, VA
FIOS was installed in part of my neighborhood in late 2007. This past week Verizon has been digging up and installing the other half that did not get it yet. Seems there still building... in my area anyway.
Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
FioS is available 600 feet from my house, but I don't think we'll ever be able to get it.

Verizon is opening a FioS store in our local shopping center, even though the vast majority of people in the town cannot get FioS.
vypergts

join:2010-03-17
Reston, VA

Re: What if???

They literally stopped at the corner of my street back in January; right where the single family homes ended and the townhouses begin. I'm furious.

xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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Mechanicsburg, PA

union busting tactic in the long run.

they are in the process of laying off 12 thousand plus union workers and management , i dont think they want to make it appear that there is enough work around to justify keeping all those folks on the payroll. thats the way i see it anyway.
hottboiinnc
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Re: union busting tactic in the long run.

its easy to hire non-union employees that can lay fiber as well. plus its cheaper for the company.
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xdeadhead
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Re: union busting tactic in the long run.

nm
BarneyBadAss
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but the question is, the folks they hire as replacements,

1) are they here legally,
2) can they read and write English
3) can they speak and understand English
4) do they have a valid drivers license
5) do they have car insurance
6) are they sending money home (like out of the country?)

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hottboiinnc
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Re: union busting tactic in the long run.

They can most likely answer yes to those questions. Why? They're are thousands of contractors out there that can do the job the same as the Unions can, and usually at a much lower cost and have a better time frame on when they can get it done.
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r81984
Fair and Balanced
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Katy, TX

Taxpayer funding??

I hope that funding comes with requirements like no caps.
openbox9

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Alexandria, VA
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Re: Taxpayer funding??

VZ has caps?

TrainBuff
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Buffalo, NY
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Re: Taxpayer funding??

said by openbox9:

VZ has caps?
No!

r81984
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said by openbox9:

VZ has caps?
No, but its best to prevent them from doing so if they want free money.
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Ammler
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Pittsburgh, PA
If taxpayer funding is applied, then I hope they have to share the fiber with Independent ISPs.

Uncapped indy ISPs will hold the line on caps.

Steve Mehs
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Hopefully it's not taxpayer funded. Personally I don't not want one red cent of my tax money going towards a service I have absolutely no interest in and would not get if it was available to me.

r81984
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Re: Taxpayer funding??

That is like the attitude of roads from someone who lives in a city and walks everywhere. They feel they should not pay for roads because they do not use them.

You might not want to use the internet, but making available high speed internet access to everyone helps commerce.

I have no problem if our tax dollars goes to expand fiber internet coverage, but if it does there has to be strict rules protecting unlimited and unrestricted internet.
If an ISP can't agree to that they should not get any of our tax dollars.
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Steve Mehs
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Re: Taxpayer funding??

I want to use the internet, I'm on it all the time, it is my life, I just don't want any of Verizon's highly overrated services in my home. If Verizon wants to expand their Fios footprint, it should be on their dime not the taxpayers. It's not like they can't afford it. It would be just like that sleezy company to milk taxpayer money though.
praetoralpha

join:2005-08-06
Pittsburgh, PA

Pittsburgh

What about Pittsburgh? Didn't they get an agreement last year? we get no love....

Karl Bode
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Re: Pittsburgh

You're right. Should have mentioned Pittsburgh!
Ammler
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Pittsburgh, PA
I have hope that Pittsburgh will be finished.
PittsPgh
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Pittsburgh, PA
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Re: Pittsburgh

said by Ammler:

I have hope that Pittsburgh will be finished.
For the past week, I have seen them about everyday, including yesterday Verizon working on the lines at bottom of TroyHill Rd. Looks close to be connecting to the homes.
Iknow the rest of NorthSide has at least the main fiber lines ran.

Paul
caco
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Whittier, AK

Video is where the money is at.

If you think they are laying all that fiber just to provide internet service you folks are smoking some good stuff. Video is where the money is at. Sucks for consumers.
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iansltx

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Golden, CO
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"Homes passed"

Okay, so I've gotten tired of misunderstanding the term "homes passed" just like I've gotten tired of incorrect usage of "POPs" when talking about wireless coverage.

To set the record straight:

Homes passed - A measure of how many homes CAN get a given wireline service

Homes served - A measure of how many homes DO get a given wireline service (if the same as homes passed then the penetration rate is 100%)

POPs covered (or rather pops covered) - The number of people that a given wireless network covers based on population density and signal propagation. NOT "Points of presence" in this case...not even close

POP (point of presence) - A network access point, usually a medium-sized one owned/operated by a single organization

That clear things up for everyone?

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
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tax help?

fios doesn't need help.
if they build it, they will come.
HowardP6

join:2001-03-31
Port Jefferson, NY

Verizon (Sort OF) Addresses FIO Deployment Freeze

They promised us three to four years ago, we can get the Internet and the tellephone, but not FIOS TV in Port Jefferson which is part of Brookhaven Township. It is actually an incorporated village, but we are suck with Cablevision with it lies about free HDTV. Still waiting
HowardP6

join:2001-03-31
Port Jefferson, NY

Re: Verizon (Sort OF) Addresses FIO Deployment Freeze

Update, I got FIOS Internet and Telephone. Port Jefferson Village is negoiation with Verizon for FIOSTV. The incorporated villages of Old Field and Poquott have FIOSTV. Patchoque may also get FIOSTV. The problem that Verizon has if you drop Cablevision and get services from Verizon, Cablevision will call you and offer the triple play forabout $50.00 amd most people would jump back. It costs Verizon about $1200.00 per triple pay customer and if you drop them it cost $350.00 less the proration over two years. It costs Veriaon about three to five years to recover its costs and that is why they are not continuing their deployment.

mackey

join:2007-08-20
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Town near you

It's not coming to YOUR town, but at least it's coming to a town NEAR you!

/mackey
thefett

join:2001-02-05
Auburn, NY

negotiations..

Actually V is still negotiating here .. the major sticking point? our idiot city leaders are demanding a public access channel that a grand total of 3 local nut jobs use on a weekly basis..
Mr Matt

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Is V waiting for the next dance?

Is V sitting out this dance to wait until they see what action that the FCC and Government will take in national broadband deployment. Maybe they are waiting to see if the Government will build a internet superhighway like Ike did for automobiles in the 50's. Of course don't bank on it. In order to prevent deployment of such a network the broadband incumbents will have more lobbyists on our lawmakers than a School of Piranha's devouring a fallen Egret Chick.

Van
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join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA

I understand not wanting to start over

but the amount of people on this site alone that have FiOS available right near them but not to them in MAJOR cities is shocking to me.

I would think FiOS would be upping their employees to finish off those areas as quick as possible rather than cutting staff and leaving it be
bubbah

join:2009-12-10
Bridgeton, NJ

fios ...yeah, right!

Years ago a bunch of trucks came down our little private lane serving 10+ homes (now 12) and strung fiberoptic cable on the poles ...there it sits. We are too far from the switching point to get DSL. After many years boasting proudly that I had never been a cable customer, and after finding the WalMart special got me exactly 2 digital channels off of my 40' tower with antenna (being only 1h by car from Philadelphia and having had a whole bunch of channels from NJ, PA, DE, and MD before the digital debacle), now we have comcast internet (slow speed) and the cheapest TV (which is almost nothing). I find this annoying when our town is 3.5 miles from the county seat where FIOS is in place for all the inner city folks. Isn't there something wrong here?

yolarry

join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV

We wont see it

nobody will. only 25%
jfmezei
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Pointe-Claire, QC
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FIOS not in Rancho Cucamunga ?

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Funny you should mention FIOS not in Rancho Cucamonga (California). Was there a few weeks ago and took this snapshot. (Lion Street above Baseline)

Sort or ironic they would have those trucks there if they haven't activated the service.
ExSanguin8or6

join:2007-04-14
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Re: FIOS not in Rancho Cucamunga ?

Haw!

Yeah. The switching station/office for our part of town had a banner stretched across an outside wall for a couple of months advertising FiOS. I just drove by it a few days ago and the banner was gone.

Maybe that truck was there to remove some fiber to use in some other neighborhood. (I laugh but at times I just wonder... )

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