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Billings, MT | Huh.. Not surprising that at&t wouldn't let this happen. They'd rather charge you to death on international roaming rates.
I can unlock my Droid 2 Global, too. Just have to call it in and unlock the SIM card. | |
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Utica, MI | Re: Huh.. Does the SIM card serve any function on a CDMA network in America, where most of these phones will be used (Sprint and Verizon customers at least). There isn't a sim card in these phones by default right? Or is there? I guess there would need to be one if this phone is supposed to work right out of the box when traveling abroad. Does that mean Sprint and Verizon have some preferred GSM roaming partner in other countries? | |
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| | | | I have a VZ crackberry which has a vodafone SIM car in it, so when I travel abroad I still have coverage.
Even CDMA carriers have GSM Partners just not at home. | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Before reading the article I was hoping the slot was house an R-UIM, which is the CDMA equivalent to the SIM and 100% compatible with GSM. Sadly that is not the case. The ESN is still burned in for CDMA.
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join:2003-07-26
Kalispell, MT | Re: Huh.. Plenty of CDMA-only phones use CSIM as well, just not on Verizon (they use CSIM as an LTE marketing point) or on Sprint. China Mobile, however, does. Because Chinese law requires it. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Huh.. said by ISurfTooMuch:is that CSIM tied to a person by the government to allow for easier identification of who is calling whom? I'm leaning more towards that. Plus, they might have a backdoor so they can listen in on the conversation. | |
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Kalispell, MT | It is to create a competitive phone market. It's just as easy for ESN/MEID-authenticated phone lines to be tracked and tapped... easier even | |
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| | | | my 4g thunderbolt has a sim in it as do all verizon 4g phones. Don't know why but they do. | |
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join:2007-02-20
Old Bridge, NJ Reviews:
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| Great News I don't travel internationally all that often, but when I do it would be nice to use my current phone. I've been with Verizon for years and never had a worldphone so this is a nice development.
My girlfriend has done the worldphone thing with Verizon for a few years but I was not really a fan of the BB storm or early Android worldphones.
I wonder if maybe down the line I want to switch US carriers, if I can bring my phone with me and not have to buy another one | |
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kudos:1 | Ummm.... Consumers are going to unlock their phones with or without "permission". | |
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Onion, NJ | HUH?? what sim card?
last I checked the devices are 3G CDMA devices, no sim card | |
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Onion, NJ | said by djdanska:Many 3g cdma phones include sim cards now. ...verizon and sprint phones with sim cards have gsm built into the phone too for international roaming.
that would be a dual band, tri band or international phone.
said by djdanska: I believe verizon's LTE phones have sim cards too.
Notice I was talking about 3G
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last I checked the devices are 3G CDMA devices, no sim card
GSM uses SIM cards, hence the unlocked portion of the phone. We all know CDMA does NOT use SIM cards.
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Onion, NJ | Re: HUH?? does the cdma iPhone have a sim card or card slot? | |
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Utica, MI | Re: HUH?? It has both, it's explained in the macworld article. | |
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last I checked the devices are 3G CDMA devices, no sim card
The iPhone 4S is a world phone and has a SIM card for international roaming. Verizon uses a vodafone SIM card. I don't know what Sprint uses. | |
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Houston, TX | att no unlock :( i hope the fcc has a bit to say about how other carriers allow unlocks and att doesnt, and att wants to buy tmo! | |
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join:2011-05-15
Baltimore, MD Reviews:
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| Instead of looking at the facts, just trash AT&T. -The personal motto of Karl Bode.
So what happens if Verizon and Sprint leave the phone SIM locked? Yea, that phone will work real well in Europe. Verizon and Sprint don't really have an option. I'm sure they would love you to pay their international roaming rates (and I'm sure they will let you if you use your phone in Asia or Canada/Mexico) but they have to unlock the SIM for it to be a "world phone."
The blatant disregard for factual information on lots of the stories on this site is sickening. | |
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Raleigh, NC Reviews:
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| Re: Instead of looking at the facts, just trash AT&T. said by RDC17:-The personal motto of Karl Bode.
So what happens if Verizon and Sprint leave the phone SIM locked? Yea, that phone will work real well in Europe. Verizon and Sprint don't really have an option. I'm sure they would love you to pay their international roaming rates (and I'm sure they will let you if you use your phone in Asia or Canada/Mexico) but they have to unlock the SIM for it to be a "world phone."
The blatant disregard for factual information on lots of the stories on this site is sickening.
Actually, Verizon and Sprint have GSM roaming partners and both carriers have offered CDMA/GSM world phones with a pre-installed and functional SIM cards. Rates are similar to AT&T. All you have to do is call their global roaming support departments.
I still agree on your other points re: the excessive bashing of AT&T on this site overall. | |
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| Re: Instead of looking at the facts, just trash AT&T. ATT Will allow you a discount data rate when traveling overseas (GSM network) *if* you call them ahead of the trip, and pay a flat rate (last i chatted with ATT rep, it was $50/ 125-200MB mth).
That was reasonable since I was in EU for only 10 days, used less than 100MB (email and maps/travel apps).
When I looked into unlocking the phone (hassle), buying an unlocked phone (not economic for even two/three trips), or getting a mifi (could be bargain if with several friends that can use it with you). I looked into a UK card (lifetime #) but the cost, and procedure was still more than the $50 and one call to ATT.
Yes, their roaming is convoluted and laden with enough penalty that a (lobby sponsored) congress still hasn't given the consumer choice with communications. ATT and others are rapacious toward the consumer.
ATT is still _____ about letting one unlock and pick carrier card. But you can still buy an iphone unlocked ($699 ow!) and pick your own carrier/plan ...
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join:2003-06-19
San Francisco, CA Reviews:
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| the real question... The real question is that if you buy the 4s from Verizon or sprint, can you put a att sim card in and have it work on the att network here in the states?
If that works, how is att going to deal with that, ie, will they automatically lock you into a renewed contract? | |
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If that works, how is att going to deal with that, ie, will they automatically lock you into a renewed contract?
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join:2002-03-03
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kudos:4 |  Sprint disputes MacWorld article saying sim will be unlocked
»arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/···slot.ars
Sprint customers who buy the iPhone 4S will be able to roam internationally on GSM networks, but will not find themselves with unlocked microSIM slots, a Sprint representative tells Ars. While some initial reports suggested that the owners of the Sprint iPhone 4S might be able to pop a local GSM microSIM into their phones while abroad and avoid Sprint’s roaming charges, Sprint denies that that is the case.
However, while Sprint will now support international roaming on GSM networks with the appropriate monthly plan, the company will not be selling the phone unlocked for use with international microSIMs. Ars asked Michelle Mermelstein, a Sprint wireless device public relations representative, to confirm that the Sprint iPhone 4S would not work with international microSIMs. “That is correct,” Mermelstein said. “I believe Verizon’s device works the same way.”
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No US wireless carrier would be so generous!
You can get an unlocked 4S in November for the full retail price of $649. If I'm getting a 4S that's when I'll get mine.
Meanwhile I'll stick to my factory unlocked iPhone 4. | |
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| | | | Re: Sprint disputes MacWorld article saying sim will be unlocked said by fifty nine:No US wireless carrier would be so generous!
For all other GSM/CDMA "world" phones that Verizon carries, they will provide the GSM unlock code for free after you have been a customer in good standing for 60 days. I have done that twice with my Blackberries. They even walk you through the steps for your particular phone. It's not 60 days with the particular phone; it's 60 days of account standing, so if you are replacing your phone or getting an additional one on your account, one can (and I have) get the unlock code the first day you have the phone.
However, it may a completely different situation for the iPhone. | |
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»arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/···ents-bar
Why would it be true anyway? No US wireless carrier would ever be so generous. Not even Sprint.
If it is too good to be true it probably is. | |
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| | Why Would Any Carrier Do This? I can't imagine any of them doing that w/in the contract period. User buys phone. Moves to EU. Gets SIM card for EU. Tells U.S. carrier to go hang. Gets unlocked GSM phone for subsidized price. You know people will do it if they can.
They ought to unlock that SIM slot after the contract's been satisfied, tho.
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| | | Re: Why Would Any Carrier Do This? said by jseymour:I can't imagine any of them doing that w/in the contract period. User buys phone. Moves to EU. Gets SIM card for EU. Tells U.S. carrier to go hang. Gets unlocked GSM phone for subsidized price. You know people will do it if they can.
They ought to unlock that SIM slot after the contract's been satisfied, tho.
Jim
in my view they should be sold unlocked any way, i mean really if i dont complete the contract i pay the etf, so its still "my" phone.
i purchased a couple nokia E71X's a couple years ago as all i wanted was the large screen and keyboard (and the text to speach) as im legally blind, but i just couldnt handle the mandatory data fee (specially since all i wanted was the big screen, keyboard, and text to speach, besides, i have wifi!) but by the time i made up my mind i was beyond the grace period...
so i called up, got the unlock code and sold the phones, i just used my old phones and completed the contract. only problem is it took me MONTHS to get those unlock codes because for some reason they kept sending the wrong ones, took a few calls to corporate to get that taken care of.
point is. they should be sold unlocked. or at the very LEAST they should AUTOMATICALLY send you a card with the code and instructions once the contract is completed. (yeah right, like thatl happen) | |
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That lock is their lock on the collateral. Look at a subsidized phone as a "loan with benefits."
You can get an unlocked phone if you're willing to pay for an unlocked phone.
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That lock is their lock on the collateral. Look at a subsidized phone as a "loan with benefits." You can get an unlocked phone if you're willing to pay for an unlocked phone. Jim then like i said, the unlock code and instructions should automatically be sent when contract is completed. one should not have to jump through hoops to do so. once that contract is over that phone is "mine" to use on any provider i choose. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: I'm confused... I wonder this too. What incentive does Apple have to lock them? They don't care where they end up, as long as they sell them up front. | |
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| | | | Re: I'm confused... I believe that's because Apple has an agreement with the carriers to (initially AT&T) to sell through them, and that's why it was locked to the carrier.
As far as general SIM-locking, there's no law or mandate (that I am aware of) that requires GSM carriers to sell phones unlocked, cuz they're subsidizing the price of the phone for the customer agreeing to the contract. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: I'm confused... Apparently international roaming, for people who don't know about iPhone Dev Team is. | |
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join:2002-06-05
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kudos:1 | For what its worth... This has always been Verizon's policy.
I have unlocked any CDMA/GSM device that I had on verizon, and Verizon provided me the code for free. | |
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