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The fact you're drowning in broadband competition may be news to some...
04:12PM Thursday May 15 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: competition · coverage · business · Op/Ed
Earlier this week, Ars Technica's Nate Anderson wrote a good piece on the state of the broadband union. It consists of the same points I've been making for years, namely how our lack of any broadband policy whatsoever has left many markets without reasonable competition, leading to high prices and poor customer service. Our lack of broadband policy is courtesy of industry lobbyists and investors, who rather enjoy the current status quo of you paying a lot, but getting a little. A tidy Anderson summary:
One of the ironies of the current broadband situation in the US is that staunch free marketeers defend the status quo even though the result of their views has been duopoly and high prices. Meanwhile, other countries (including those with a reputation in some quarters for "socialism") have taken aggressive steps to create a robust, competitive, consumer-friendly marketplace with the help of regulation and national investment.
A simple enough point. Countries do better when they adhere to the three F's: "financing, fear (competition), and federal mandates." As opposed to doing absolutely nothing, spending government money on Bear Stearns bail-outs instead of infrastructure, and letting phone and cable companies write the nation's telecom laws. But wait! The folks over at the Verizon PR blog argue that those of you worried about broadband competition really shouldn't, given you actually have (or will soon) access to eight different options for broadband service.
Some have been wringing their hands about the need for a “third broadband pipe” to stimulate competition. But the way I calculate it, T-Mobile is rolling out 3G, making it the fourth broadband wireless platform and Clearwire is rolling out Wi-Max in a new consortium with some heavy duty backers, making it the fifth. So, in general, we have:
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1. Cable
2. DSL
3. Verizon EVDO (mobile)
4. AT&T HSDPA (mobile)
5. Sprint HSDPA (mobile)
6. T-Mobile HSDPA (mobile)
7. Clearwire Wi-Max
8. FiOS/U-Verse.
As long as we're throwing out every possible network as an example of competition (whether it's available...or built), we may as well include satellite broadband and carrier pigeon, giving you ten broadband options. Eleven if you include dial-up, and at this point, why not? I would also argue that soup cans and string, while there certainly are throughput problems, can technically be considered competition.

Ok so to be fair, Verizon is doing a great job being the only major carrier in the United States deploying fiber in profitable markets. And that is prompting competitive cable speed responses in those same profitable markets. But even FiOS (and FiOSTV) isn't lowering prices (in fact just the opposite). And for every community served by FiOS, there's countless others where users are lucky if they have more than one option.

Verizon should know that, given they just sold their networks in three states because they didn't want to deploy to rural Americans. Perhaps if they weren't so busy fighting efforts to accurately map broadband in this country, they'd better see that we aren't living in a competitive utopia. Can you hear me now?

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pffff..tttttttt...

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Re: pffff..tttttttt...

Exactly... lets see the issues with 'broadband' from the above:
1. Cable
Yes - this is broadband - exists in most markets

2. DSL
Yes - this is broadband, exists in most markets, not considered 'broadband' at all locations

3. Verizon EVDO (mobile)
Highly restricted by ToS - 5GB cap, etc.

4. AT&T HSDPA (mobile)
Highly restricted by ToS - 5GB cap, etc.

5. Sprint HSDPA (mobile)
Its Sprint... may not have an issue with being called broadband, just C.S, billing, and firesale issues

6. T-Mobile HSDPA (mobile)
VERY limited 3G markets - can it be tethered ?

7. Clearwire Wi-Max
VERY limited market - only current wireless that still has potential, with a lot of hype

8. FiOS/U-Verse.
Limited markets - Uverse has many issues around obtaining broadband w/o TV service, unless you want to pay $$$ for a business line w/o SLA.

If the wireless make broadband 'usable' for a decent price, I might be in. While they restrict VoIP, downloading, streaming, etc. Its a fascade.
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Re: pffff..tttttttt...

said by en102 See Profile :

Exactly... lets see the issues with 'broadband' from the above:
1. Cable
Yes - this is broadband - exists in most markets

2. DSL
Yes - this is broadband, exists in most markets, not considered 'broadband' at all locations

3. Verizon EVDO (mobile)
Highly restricted by ToS - 5GB cap, etc.

4. AT&T HSDPA (mobile)
Highly restricted by ToS - 5GB cap, etc.

5. Sprint HSDPA (mobile)
Its Sprint... may not have an issue with being called broadband, just C.S, billing, and firesale issues

6. T-Mobile HSDPA (mobile)
VERY limited 3G markets - can it be tethered ?

7. Clearwire Wi-Max
VERY limited market - only current wireless that still has potential, with a lot of hype

8. FiOS/U-Verse.
Limited markets - Uverse has many issues around obtaining broadband w/o TV service, unless you want to pay $$$ for a business line w/o SLA.

If the wireless make broadband 'usable' for a decent price, I might be in. While they restrict VoIP, downloading, streaming, etc. Its a fascade.
Of that list, I can only get DSL 1.5 Mbps.
So the competition is zero for my area, and I'm guessing for a lot of others too.

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Also -- Verizon EVDO is not a competitor for Verizon DSL or Verizon Fios.
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May 15th, @03:34PM

what?

When does cell phone internet take over the "home network" internet?

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Re: what?

said by ztmike See Profile :

When does cell phone internet take over the "home network" internet?
Femtocells in the home - not much longer for this to expand widely.
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Re: what?

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by ztmike See Profile :

When does cell phone internet take over the "home network" internet?
Femtocells in the home - not much longer for this to expand widely.
I haven't really read up on Femtocells..sounds like health science or something..

I seriously doubt I will be able to surf the internet at decent speeds/play online games/ download big patches with this "femtocell."

If I can do all that without LAG, it probably won't even be available to me. lol
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said by ztmike See Profile :

I haven't really read up on Femtocells..sounds like health science or something..
Here is the recent news items on femtocells on the BBR front page:

»/nsearch?q=fem···18100000
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Re: what?

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by ztmike See Profile :

I haven't really read up on Femtocells..sounds like health science or something..
Here is the recent news items on femtocells on the BBR front page:

»/nsearch?q=fem···18100000
So what I basically get is, Femtocell uses your internet connection that you have from say, Comcast, to transmit data/voice over your phone? And to provide better coverage from your cell company over YOUR internet connection, and that your neighbors also can get better coverage over your internet connection also?

No wonder Sprint hasn't gone public about this, its confusing as hell. If I can't grasp it, I'm sure Joe Blow will be wtf is that?
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said by ztmike See Profile :

So what I basically get is, Femtocell uses your internet connection that you have from say, Comcast, to transmit data/voice over your phone? And to provide better coverage from your cell company over YOUR internet connection, and that your neighbors also can get better coverage over your internet connection also?
The femtocell can be used for what is being called Fixed Mobile Convergence. It will allow you to get 3G/4G speeds on the road while also getting the same or better speeds in the home(where 3g/4g signal strength could be weak) with the same mobile devices.

As far as neighbors using your femtocell, the writeups I have seen allow a registration process that would limit access to your own devices.
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Re: what?

Which still has nothing, at all, to do with providing an alternative broadband ISP connection, right? You're describing a service that uses one's existing broadband connection for other services, the same as consumer VoIP from Vonage et al. or video via Slingbox, etc.

So your initial answer above...

said by ztmike See Profile :

When does cell phone internet take over the "home network" internet?
Femtocells in the home - not much longer for this to expand widely.
... is irrelevant nonsense, right? Unless femtocells have sprouted extraordinary mesh networking features about which I'm unaware.

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Re: what?

Yes you are correct. Femtocells will use your home internet connection. And yes that post was irrelevant nonsense.
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The 'gilded age' regurgitates.

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May 15th, @03:40PM

Options?

1) Only option I have
2) DSL? What's that? I've never been within distance, at 5 different apartments/houses. For me - it's vaporware (for me! read that and don't tell me how much "superior" it is!)

The rest - cmon? You kidding me?

$60+/mo for those services? With significant downfalls (speed, caps, limits) - who really considers that an alternative to DSL/Cable?

And Uverse/FIOS? Wow - I didn't know that they were available everywhere.

Oh wait - they arent. And I don't consider UVerse anything special anyway. Never been able to get DSL, will this magically change now? Does the Sod farm across the street from me, the golf course next to/behind me, and the empty field warrant a RT? No...I really doubt the deer need that kind of speed.

EDIT: OH! Forgot about my choice number 9,354,731: Clearwire. Because since Pigeon is expensive this season....lets see:

Thank you for your interest in Clearwire, however, we currently do not offer service in the location you entered. If you would like to be contacted when service is available, please fill out the fields below.
So now my options are one.

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Re: Options?

said by fcisler See Profile :

1) Only option I have
2) DSL? What's that? I've never been within distance, at 5 different apartments/houses. For me - it's vaporware (for me! read that and don't tell me how much "superior" it is!)

The rest - cmon? You kidding me?

$60+/mo for those services? With significant downfalls (speed, caps, limits) - who really considers that an alternative to DSL/Cable?

And Uverse/FIOS? Wow - I didn't know that they were available everywhere.

Oh wait - they arent. And I don't consider UVerse anything special anyway. Never been able to get DSL, will this magically change now? Does the Sod farm across the street from me, the golf course next to/behind me, and the empty field warrant a RT? No...I really doubt the deer need that kind of speed.

EDIT: OH! Forgot about my choice number 9,354,731: Clearwire. Because since Pigeon is expensive this season....lets see:

Thank you for your interest in Clearwire, however, we currently do not offer service in the location you entered. If you would like to be contacted when service is available, please fill out the fields below.
So now my options are one.
U-Verse is VDSL, not even closely comparable to cable or Fios!

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Re: Options?

said by BSD24 See Profile :

U-Verse is VDSL, not even closely comparable to cable or Fios!
Your correct.

»www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vdsl.htm

4,000' of difference. I remember reading they improved it, though.

My point being - DSL - weather it be ADSL, SDSL, IDSL or VDSL still has a distance limit. If I cannot get ADSL at a low sync rate - why should I believe that I can get VDSL?

I don't know if your comment was pro or against VDSL, I'm just providing more info.

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May 15th, @05:16PM

Re: Options?

said by fcisler See Profile :

said by BSD24 See Profile :

U-Verse is VDSL, not even closely comparable to cable or Fios!
Your correct.

»www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vdsl.htm

4,000' of difference. I remember reading they improved it, though.

My point being - DSL - weather it be ADSL, SDSL, IDSL or VDSL still has a distance limit. If I cannot get ADSL at a low sync rate - why should I believe that I can get VDSL?

I don't know if your comment was pro or against VDSL, I'm just providing more info.
VDSL is very limited, can only allow 2 uploads at a time (or 2 devices I believe to upload at a time). Correct me if I am wrong. I have never tried it, but if offered, I would only use it if it was my last resort. It is available if nearby you notice huge metal boxes on the middle of a telephone-pole. That is usually indictive of UVERSE being on the pole. Nice link btw. Althouth I see it is missing the issue with their tv service, that only 1 or 2 terminals (if I remember correctly) can use the upstream/upload at a time. So On-demand, internet may or may be limited when trying to use at the same time over the cap. I heard they only will install 2 cable boxes because of this limit anymore and it won't work right if at all. Someone with U-Verse experience might know a bit more.
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Re: Options?

vdsl can have a many uploads/downloads as can fit in the pipe. I think you are confusing this issue with something else.
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May 15th, @04:46PM

One more choice:

I inquired about ISDN as an option.

For $140.00 per month, I can get an ISDN line for 128k up/down, another $20-40 and I can get an ISP for service on that line. $160.00 per month sounds like a bargain for 128k up/down.

Satellite is a joke. It doesn't work for many apps - VOIP, gaming, and VPN. Also oversubscribed, FAPS and doesn't work when it rains.

What do the big ISP's do? They continue to provide better access, applications and service to the "have's" while they leave the "have-nots" out to dry -- pathetic.
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Re: Options?

Did you look into EVDO with Alltel. You can get the cards off ebay for around $50 no contract and about $60 a month if you dont want phone service with them. The coverage area on there map looks like it covers Robertsville MO. Check it out before you pay $160 of ISDN...But I agree sat is a joke.. I had Hughes for 3 years and finally switched to to Alltel for a year loved it and finally charter rolled down my street so I got cable.

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Re: Options?

No contract, huh? I'm currently on Sprint EVDO for my travel needs, $59 but of course with-contract. (You can get it for $49 on the SERO plans, but you can't get any of the new decent modems, like the U727 - which works with Linux as well as Vista64).

I've been pretty happy with it, and as far as I know, I do roam on to VZW and Alltel where there's no coverage.

I'm in Virginia - I know Alltel has a pretty decent footprint here, but I definitely didn't know about the no contract deal. Have you been happy with it? How about roaming / nationwide coverage?

Do you know if Alltel will do an ESN transfer-in from a sprint modem?

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No kidding about the DSL. I haven't been able to get DSL in:

•Littleton, CO
•Fredericksburg, VA
•Woodbridge, VA
•Centreville, VA
•Herndon, VA
•Central NJ
•Richmond, VA

I'm currently in Herndon, literally within shouting distance of AOL, Sprint, NetworkSolutions, and a million data centers - but can't get DSL. Moving down to Richmond soon - No DSL. I've lived in populated areas, in "Silicon Alley", next to industrial centers and main rights-of way, and I have NEVER been able to get DSL.

I'm truely surprised when I actually run into someone with DSL. Where I've lived (and it's not exactly the boonies) it's a very rare thing, indeed.

So tell me, Does DSL really exist, or is this all one big conspiracy against me.
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Re: Options?

DSL exists of course. I have it!

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BS

I posted a link to this article under the comments section on that blog. How much you wanna bet it doesn't show up? :0)

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Re: BS

And I don't consider mobile options to be "competition". I consider competition to be an actual choice like cable or DSL.

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I posted a link to this article under the comments section on that blog. How much you wanna bet it doesn't show up? :0)
Funny, not a single comment has yet!
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Great stuff guys and I arrived at it through the Verizon blog. So, it is showing up and you are doing a great job is providing the other side of the coin.

In the EU DSL is the main mean of getting BB through stong regulatory intervention by the EU. Worked very well.

Cable is present in some countries, wireless technolgogies are in their infancies but might be needed to have BB for all. 2G networks in EU have a very good coverage, but we need to move to 3 and 4G.

Fiber is only slowely being rolled out and we are currently discussing how to speed it up.

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Don't forget BPL

Wow, I cannot believe that BPL was not included in the list. I thought it was supposed to be the killer broadband solution the FCC was touting for so long. /sarcastic mode (on/off whichever you prefer)
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Re: Don't forget BPL

damn, you beat me to it.
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Re: Don't forget BPL

You forget "robotic drone flying in circular pattern" band, too!
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Re: Don't forget BPL

Solar or conventional fuel powered?

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i have little choice

here we have tds or camcast,
sat is an utter waste of time and money and shity faps.
wireless here is not yet an option.
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Nos. 13 & 14

As long as we're throwing out every possible network as an example of competition (whether it's available...or built), we may as well include satellite broadband and carrier pigeon, giving you ten broadband options. Eleven if you include dial-up, and at this point, why not? I would also argue that soup cans and string, while there certainly are throughput problems, can technically be considered competition.
Don't forget smoke signal and semaphore.
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Re: Nos. 13 & 14

said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

Don't forget smoke signal and semaphore.
You forgot the USPS Broadband. 1 TB for $15.70-$25.65 based on distance to the POP. The bandwidth is tremendous. 100 Mbit/s presuming you are accessing the web Monday through Friday. No TX on Sundays, RX more expensive on Sundays, so hold off browsing until Monday, if its a Sunday.
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Alltel EVDO would be 6 by their books

Dont forget Alltel's EVDO it has a pretty large evdo coverage area and roaming on sprint and verizon with no data caps. with this many options they must think were all in broadband heaven haha.. to bad most ppl dont know half of this even exist. Plus last time I checked didnt they move the definition of broadband to 2mb recently.. So that knocks out over half of the list haha
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Stop praising Verizon ....

Yea, so VZ is deploying fiber to a select portion of their subscriber base. But they are also choosing to not deploy even basic DSL to millions of other subscribers - subscribers who will never see FIOS. Subscribers in areas who, according to an analysis in the latest edition of DSLPrime, they could serve, AND make a profit (albeit may not quite as high an ROI as selling pay-TV via fiber to affluent suburbanites).

In another country, VZ would be incentivized by a tax credit or some other policy incentive to re-think this. But we'd rather be free-market ideologues here, than endeavor to be leaders in 21st century technology-driven economic growth. Good thing we didn't have this thinking in the 1950's, or we'd have no freeways.

Qwest is often dissed by the urban-dwelling press for not deploying "advanced" broadband in urban/suburban areas, but they've done a much better job at general deployment of basic DSL throughout their territory. It's very interesting driving around the VZ/Qwest boundary in the rural areas here: roads in Qwest territory are sprinkled with those mini-DSLAM's, and DSL is available. On the VZ side of the line, in contrast, there's NO DSL available, even in neighborhoods where the remote terminal's recently been upgraded. VZ field crews confirmed they're pro-actively not deploying DSL, even where they can.

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Re: Stop praising Verizon ....

I would be very surprised that if someone offered VZ (or any ILEC) cash incentives to build-out to areas they otherwise would not, as long as those incentives covered the ILEC's costs, it would pass in a flash, without a peep from our so-called free-market supporters.

The folks who most strongly advocate laissez-faire policies are generally those who only mean it when it helps to further entrench the dominant players.
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Re: Stop praising Verizon ....

Yea, the free-market supporters seem to change their tune when it comes to giving taxpayer money to deep-pocket campaign contributors (e.g., Bear Sterns).

Verizon's Gov't Affairs VP has been testifying in DC that they want such incentives before they deploy DSL further. I think they're basically holding those subscribers in low-margin areas hostage as a "bargaining chip" in this negotiation, figuring they'll come out ahead in the long run, if they can get a USF-like boondoogle in place for broadband.

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TCP/IP via Carrier Pigeon

AH - RFC1149 and RFC2549. RFC1149 was first implemented on April 28, 2001 (the test was just doing PINGs). It was then used on March 12, 2004 to actually send 4GB of data 100 KM achieving a speed for the transmission of 2.27 Mbps beating ADSL which would have taken 90 Hours to send the data.
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Yes, it is competition.

This just seems to be "I don't like it, so it's not competition". Everything has trade-offs. I don't like Pepsi- does that mean Coke has a monopoly? Of course not.

Essentially this comes down to wanting some mythical uber-bandwidth pipe without any costs or restrictions and 100% perfect uptime- and that's never going to happen.

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Re: Yes, it is competition.

said by EPS See Profile :

Essentially this comes down to wanting some mythical uber-bandwidth pipe without any costs or restrictions and 100% perfect uptime- and that's never going to happen.
...said the shill who is clearly anti-consumer and pro big business.

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Re: Yes, it is competition.

said by major marco See Profile :

said by EPS See Profile :

Essentially this comes down to wanting some mythical uber-bandwidth pipe without any costs or restrictions and 100% perfect uptime- and that's never going to happen.
...said the shill who is clearly anti-consumer and pro big business.
So how do you intent to fund a third provider. Overbuilders never survive. Plus who would use a third competitor, it would take years without a profit.
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br1an

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Wow, what a revelation!

Imagine that, Verizon isn't initially deploying Fios, which is costing them upwards of $10 billion, to markets which won't make them money. Did the editors of dslreports forget the basic assumtions of a free market economy, which have been in place for 200+ years, which dictate that companies will act in THEIR best interest in terms of profitability, which in turn will lead to the best interests of the consumers? Verizon is the only company in the past 25 years that is trying to push a cutting edge technology in a country that is littered with legacy technology, whereas the countries that you quote (Japan, Korea, etc) only do so with a government mandate. Not to mention these countries have much less area in terms of square footage, and are much more densly populated than the U.S, making broadband deployment much easier for them.

And yet you bitch about competition not leading to lowered prices, well if you are really complaining about prices rising for broadband then you should get out and realize that the U.S dollar as a whole is turning into Monopoly money. EVERYTHING COSTS MORE compared to 5 years ago. Here are some examples for you to look at before you criticize the cable/broadband industry for increasing prices

Change in gas price in the last year"
Egg prices
The dollar and inflation

Broadband Reports, I am very dissapointed in you. Next tme please do some research before you post a headline critizing a major company that is doing its best to promote broadband access in a country that is by nature resistant to change and for the most part behind the rest of the world when it comes to technology and internet access.

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Re: Wow, what a revelation!

said by br1an See Profile :

Broadband Reports, I am very dissapointed in you. Next tme please do some research before you post a headline critizing a major company that is doing its best to promote broadband access in a country that is by nature resistant to change and for the most part behind the rest of the world when it comes to technology and internet access.
I believe Karl was taking issue with someone making a statement that broadband choice exists, not about the value of any new broadband service that Verizon or anybody else chooses to deploy. Seems like the point was more about the lack of competition than about whatever Verizon's intent may be. What exactly did Broadband Reports say that was incorrect and should have been researched?
wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..

join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
Because you can't have internet access without eggs!!

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Mark Rushworth

@co.uk

Load Balancing is the Key

I keep saying it but delivering Bonded DSL and Load Balancing across multiple connections i.e. »www.xrio.com is the only cost effective way of providing fast, reliable and low cost broadband but ISP's are too busy making loads of money selling expensive inefficient Leased Line services

CrazyJoe

@radford.edu

Competition My Eye

I would give credit to the providers if it was due, but it is not. I cannot consider my cable company a viable option for broadband when they have a traffic cap which I would exceed every month, and have terrible service (see jet broadband). I don't have DSL of any kind available, and EV-DO just came online about 3 months ago...but that has a cap too. I don't do any crazy P2P, but I would consider myself more a power user than just a typical email and web user. Verizon has no incentive to bring even DSL to my area, so do you think they are going to bring Fios in the next 10 years?

It's just my opinion, but I think the folks that are saying, "you should be happy with what is there, don't expect the companies to do anything that won't give them a good ROI" are the same folks that have a nice 3mb-15mb pipe coming into their house. Until you have to live with highly limited options, I don't think you can understand how frustrated some of us get with the way broadband is distributed through the "free market".

I don't think the government should own a nation wide network, but I do think that they should mandate prohibiting companies from choosing an area to install broadband in, while leaving other parts out in the cold. If Verizon has chosen to install Fios in their market area, they should be mandated to provide a timeline or a map of when they will have it deployed over their entire customer base...even if that is 10 years out...The fact that my side of town cannot even get DSL which has been out for what 10-15 years...it's plain ridiculous.

ieolus
Support The Clecs

join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA

Re: Competition My Eye

said by CrazyJoe :

I don't think the government should own a nation wide network, but I do think that they should mandate prohibiting companies from choosing an area to install broadband in, while leaving other parts out in the cold.
Why? What makes the Information Superhighway any different than the Eisenhower Interstate Highway system?

The last mile that connects (or should) every home to the Internet is not something that a private corporation should control.

Let the corporations provide *service*.. as in ISP, but get them out of the physical connection business. It is only holding the U.S. back in terms of broadband penetration.
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CrazyJoe

@radford.edu

Re: Competition My Eye

said by ieolus See Profile :

said by CrazyJoe :

I don't think the government should own a nation wide network, but I do think that they should mandate prohibiting companies from choosing an area to install broadband in, while leaving other parts out in the cold.
Why? What makes the Information Superhighway any different than the Eisenhower Interstate Highway system?

The last mile that connects (or should) every home to the Internet is not something that a private corporation should control.

Let the corporations provide *service*.. as in ISP, but get them out of the physical connection business. It is only holding the U.S. back in terms of broadband penetration.
If the government could actually do it without blundering it or wasting a ton of money I think it would be a great idea...but I just don't trust them to do a good enough job.
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