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join:2002-11-24 | Re: Completed? By 2014? I'd guess that they mean their entire projected footprint by 2014. They seemed to get those 2 markets up pretty quickly.
It will be interesting to see who will build out faster, Verizon or Clearwire. | |
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join:2000-07-12
San Diego, CA | Re: Completed? By 2014? Has Sprint announced plans to use LTE? I thought they were hitching their wagon to Clear and WiMax. Or is that just for data purposes and not voice too? | |
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MooJohn
join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA | Re: Completed? By 2014? Sprint owns a majority share (51%) of the "new" Clearwire.
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join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN | Incompatible Wireless Technology's. Just Like CDMA and GSM. | |
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| | xrayman
join:2008-12-09
Kansas City, MO
| antonio010, "They seemed to get those 2 markets up pretty quickly. It will be interesting to see who will build out faster, Verizon or Clearwire."
10 LTE 4G cell sites doesn't represent anything close to full coverage of a metro market, it is only a test deployment.
Clearwire may have the lead out of the gate but they will be running out of capitol quickly without new funding. Verizon should be able to end up with a much larger footprint if they do what they promise. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Completed? By 2014? In the end...
Sprint has TONS of 2.5GHz spectrum for WiMAX.. and little cash to deploy, and it is more of a niche standard at the moment.
VZW has lots of cash, and a national 700MHz license (less spectrum to use though), and a large existing network to use as a base. Also, LTE is the natural evolution of GSM/UTMS and CDMA2000 technologies on a global scale.
Personally, I'd use what ever serves my area (neither do on LTE/WiMAX) and comes with few strings and is cheaper than cable/DSL.
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| Re: Completed? By 2014? said by en102  :In the end... Sprint has TONS of 2.5GHz spectrum for WiMAX.. and little cash to deploy, and it is more of a niche standard at the moment. VZW has lots of cash, and a national 700MHz license (less spectrum to use though), and a large existing network to use as a base. Also, LTE is the natural evolution of GSM/UTMS and CDMA2000 technologies on a global scale. Personally, I'd use what ever serves my area (neither do on LTE/WiMAX) and comes with few strings and is cheaper than cable/DSL. WiMAX a niche? As opposed to LTE which has not been deployed anywhere other than for these PR stunts?
Ok, yea whatever! | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Completed? By 2014? While WiMAX is being deployed, and LTE has not, people made the same argument on UMTS/HSPA vs. EVDO.
»www.3gamericas.org/index.cfm?fus···geid=322
While there are a lot of WiMAX commitments, many incumbent telcos globally have put their money to moving to LTE.
»www.3gamericas.org/documents/LTE···2009.pdf
WiMAX has lower cost of deployment (a good thing) behind it.
Who knows - it may be the next Linux of the wireless world, but I suspect that the economies of scale will pump money into LTE.
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| Re: Completed? By 2014? Wrong! Economies of scale don't fix the licensing costs of LTE that are not required for WiMAX. Ultimately LTE is all about giving the consumer less control, less choice, higher cost. LTE is all about more benefits for Telcos and less for consumers! | |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Completed? By 2014? said by phoneboy3 :
Ultimately LTE is all about giving the consumer less control, less choice, higher cost. LTE is all about more benefits for Telcos and less for consumers! That seems an argument for why LTE will trump. To see small locally run WiMAX start-ups in rural areas would be wonderful and the best use of Fed stimulus funds. But the big boys would work to trounce, they already have the customer base via voice, and commercial funding for start-ups is hard to come by ATM.
These are the dynamics which make others fall on the LTE side. BTW, you mention license fees. Who owns LTE technology and are the fees scaled to bulk? Would be interesting to know if there is any telco interest on the receiver end of fee income - even if it's merely large chunks of stock investment.
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tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
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Stewartstown, PA
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| said by Fox McCloud :If they mean wherever they server EVDO, provided this service remains unlimited, rural people will finally have their day in the sun... That's what I was hoping for, but now I'm not too sure we'll see 4G in my area. The towers near me, including one that just went online, are owned by a 3rd party, Sprint & Verizon lease capacity from them. The new tower still only has a T1 going to it and even if they do upgrade, I'm not sure how Verizon or Sprint would work things to get their 4G service working on it.
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join:2009-06-22
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by Fox McCloud :I wonder what they mean by "deployment completed by 2014"? Do they mean the current market, or do they mean wherever they currently serve EVDO? If they mean wherever they server EVDO, provided this service remains unlimited, rural people will finally have their day in the sun...but if they just mean those 30 markets? Bummer. from verizon's lte website:
Verizon Wireless expects to commercially launch its LTE 4G network in up to 30 markets in 2010, covering 100 million people. In subsequent years, an equally aggressive growth plan will result in full nationwide coverage in 2013.
»news.vzw.com/LTE/Overview.html | |
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Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23
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|  Re: Completed? By 2014?
said by ricklerre :said by Fox McCloud :I wonder what they mean by "deployment completed by 2014"? Do they mean the current market, or do they mean wherever they currently serve EVDO? If they mean wherever they server EVDO, provided this service remains unlimited, rural people will finally have their day in the sun...but if they just mean those 30 markets? Bummer. from verizon's lte website: Verizon Wireless expects to commercially launch its LTE 4G network in up to 30 markets in 2010, covering 100 million people. In subsequent years, an equally aggressive growth plan will result in full nationwide coverage in 2013.
» news.vzw.com/LTE/Overview.html ok, so, likely, what they mean is wherever their current 1xRTT footprint is....again, thanks. | |
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anjorusso
@speakeasy.net | pricing? i hope it will be cheaper than clearwire and unlimited:) | |
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join:2001-04-22
Rockford, IL | Re: pricing? Verizon and "cheaper" don't belong in the same sentence. | |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net | Fundamentally it's very similar technology. So the answer would be NO! There is no magic fairy dust they can sprinkle on LTE to make it cheaper other than lower margins and Telco does not exactly have a history of doing that........EVER! | |
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI
| not bad They have a nationwide data outage going on right now though..... wonder if it has anything to do with this........ Doubt it. I know a lot of people with blackberry's with verizon around here and they have been having trouble all day.... I personally have att no problems but yeah, verizon's starting out first we will see what happens. | |
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sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | Boy oh boy The fact that wireless technology is now competing with standard landline broadband on speed is truly a sad commentary on the statement of broadband in the US. | |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Oh yea, LTE in 30 markets. Just around the corner so don't go buy that WiMAX modem.
.....and medicare reform means the Gov't is coming to your door to turn Granny into Soylent Green. | |
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| bemis
join:2008-07-18
Stoneham, MA | Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Who ever gets here first wimax or lte is what I'll get... You hear me now verizon??!!!? | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| Cost of upgrade I'm not entirely certain, but the spectrum in use might dictate the costliness of the upgrade for the carriers. I mean, I know with dual band UMTS/GSM (850/1900MHz) and CDMA (900/1800MHz) in this country that the carriers prefer the lower frequencies because they have better coverage/reach from the cell site. That being said, will LTE in the 700MHz range have greater reach per site vs. the much higher 2500MHz spectrum for WiMax? I'm sure there could be other mitigating factors. Anyone have any insight on this? | |
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Verizon Successfully Tests LTE In Boston, Seattle
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