Verizon Sues Cablevision Over DVR Patents Good thing Cablevision wants to kill off the DVR by 2011... There was already no love lost between Verizon and Cablevision, who are engaged in a heated competitive battle in the NY Metro market. Verizon's now upped the ante, and according to Light Reading has filed suit against Cablevision for violating five DVR patents. As is usually the case in these patent fights, several of the patents are incredibly vague and broad, like technology that "allows users to navigate available programs by channel, and through the selection of an anchor channel, by category." According to Verizon, these patent violations are causing "immediate and irreparable harm to Verizon's business." Not too surprisingly, Cablevision disagreed, and fired some high-test snark in Verizon's direction. "It is becoming increasingly clear that Verizon is having difficulty competing on the merits in the marketplace, so they are resorting to filing lawsuits and pursuing regulatory bailouts," stated Cablevision, in apparent reference to our story earlier this week that suggested Verizon wants taxpayer money to continue their FiOS deployment. Luckily for Cablevision, the company is planning to migrate away from the kind of set top DVRs this patent fight covers (the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4250HD, Explorer 8300HD, and the 4200HD set-top box models), and toward a network-based DVR that stores content at the network head end. "By year-end we intend to cease buying physical DVRs as we begin deploying our network-based DVR solution throughout our footprint," Cablevision COO Tom Rutledge recently stated on a Cablevision earnings call.
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 | | TiVo is next? LOL when/if Verizon wins, I wonder if TiVo will be suing Verizon.
It's comical to say the least, and one more reason that software patents are bad. | |
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| Re: TiVo is next? said by fifty nine:LOL when/if Verizon wins, I wonder if TiVo will be suing Verizon. It's comical to say the least, and one more reason that software patents are bad. TiVo filed against Verizon and AT&T last year. »www.multichannel.com/article/329···ment.php But, yeah I agree the whole software patent thing has gotten out of hand. | |
|  |  |  n4mwd join:2005-10-01 Loxahatchee, FL | Re: TiVo is next? tivo sued dish satellite and won. They claim exclusive patent rights to the ability to record one show while watching another at the same time. Funny, didn't VCRs do that 20 years before Tivo ever existed? | |
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by fifty nine:LOL when/if Verizon wins, I wonder if TiVo will be suing Verizon. Considering suing others is tivos business model, you can bank on it. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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 Mr Matt join:2008-01-29 Eustis, FL kudos:1 | Will this shakedown be as successful as the Vonage shakedown
The question is will the shakedown of Cablevision be as successful as the shakedown of Vonage by Verizon's patent weasels? | |
|  | | DVR The 4200HD and 4250HD are not DVRs... | |
|  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 1 edit | Re: DVR said by sharksfan3:The 4200HD and 4250HD are not DVRs... The headline is misleading. The patent lawsuits were for STBs and not just DVRs. So moving to a headend DVR doesn't end the lawsuits.
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Cablevision would be blocked from importing three advanced Scientific-Atlanta digital set-top boxes that run the MSO's interactive program guide (IPG) and interactive TV programming and advertising services
Verizon alleges that Cablevision violated several of its patents by importing the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4250HD, Explorer 8300HD, and the 4200HD set-top box models -- NCAA® March Madness on Demand® | |
|  |  |  | | Re: DVR As said earlier this has little to do with stb's and everything to do with the software run on them. | |
|  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: DVR said by beavercable:As said earlier this has little to do with stb's and everything to do with the software run on them. Even still.. I wasn't aware that CableVision actually "DEVELOPED" software.. much less boxes... so why would VZ go after CV? | |
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 | | Verizon is crazy I am currently a FIOS cust but had Cablevision for many years. Never ad a problem with cv but went to FIOS just to be te first on the block with it. Verizon is pissing me off with this bull. Leave cv alone. I think cv may have a point tat maybe FIOS is having some trouble passing cv. | |
|  |  | | Re: Verizon is crazy Cablevision is junk, I have them and cant stand them. FiOS is a better product all around. | |
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| Tivo sues itself out of business If tivo sues everyone who they want as customers, guess how many customers they will have left? none.
Verizon is also able to do the same network dvr as cablevision.. all they need to do is create some storage racks for the video data and setup a customer channel for the streaming of content. Also, when will Verizon realize that they can't sue their way to maintain their competitive advantage that fiber gives them? You want customers, you'll have to lower your prices back down again!
Entry level packages that used to be 25/15 are now back down to 15/5 for $100 + $18-$20 in taxes, fees, settop rental. Meanwhile cablevision is still hocking their $29.95 dual/triple play (introductory 1-year deal) with 15/2. Will cablevision up their 15/2 to 15/5? No. Will Verizon lower their rates? Nope, not their first, second, third, or fourth choice.. duopoly well at work here. Fierce competition? Verizon's sideswipe ended in January
I got the deal that expired 1/17 that brings a 1-year deal just under $1k all inclusive. Now it's about $1500+....
Cablevision has video and internet to improve, while verizon has video and phone to improve. Consumers are stuck in the duopoly ping-pong.
Tivo will be relegated to dvr nomenclature such as wma or ogg for audio. | |
|  |  | | Re: Tivo sues itself out of business Guess again. TiVo gained a lot of CASH from the lawsuits.
As for the uncooperative cable companies, TiVo is doing an end run around them with the FCC. And who can blame them anyway? The cable companies have basically treated TiVo like shit anyway because TiVo cuts into their exhorbitant fees for shitty excuses for DVRs. | |
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 | | Hmm This is verizon being scared. First they stop fios build out . They can only get money now with lawsuits.
Cablevision has had these boxes since before verizon even had fios. I dont see how verizon can win.
Plus this could backfire. I am sure cablevision must have a ton of cable patents that they can counter sue verizon with.
Why would verizon risk something as huge as fios being shut down? Also cablevision uses the sara guide and software from other companies so why not sue them? Why not sue time warner and comcast also?
I just dont see why verizon is risking so much by doing this.
They must really need the money | |
|  dak70 join:2007-05-01 Warminster, PA | Lawsuits: The New Business Model What happened to providing the best service or product and innovation as a business model? Technology, communication, and entertainment companies have resorted to lawsuit business models. The only real losers are the consumers. We pay for these multi-million dollar lawsuits through higher prices, lower quality, reduced competition, and less innovation. I have FiOS and love it but this lawsuit is BS. Patent laws and the civil suit laws need to be changed to force companies back to real business models. | |
|  | | Woah wait... Cablevision was first though. Cablevision has been around in the video business distributing digital set top boxes and DVR's for years before Verizon. Verizon is new to the game. If anything, Cablevision should be suing Verizon.
How did Cablevision violate Verizon's software patents when Cablevision's product was out there before Verizon? This doesn't jive right, and I'm not one to take the opposite of Verizon's side. | |
|  | | Desperation Verizon is really getting desperate with this nonsense. I wonder which law firm had the gall to try and make an argument out of this.
Granted, both sides are definitely guilty when it comes to dubious marketing claims but DVR infringement truly is the lowest of the low. | |
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