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And I have no better luck with support systems than you do...
06:21PM Tuesday Apr 08 2008 by Karl
tags: Fiber · business · consumers
The Tampa Tribune continues several weeks of great FiOS reporting with a conversation with Verizon support employees. Workers continue to complain about Verizon's neglect of copper infrastructure and support, as the company puts a priority on selling new FiOS services. One employee goes into great detail about how management forces them to constantly push new services, and recounts their own billing issues:
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I once got written up for not trying to sell TV to an 80-something-year-old woman who called to change her phone number," Girit said. "And she was in a nursing home, moving from one room to another, and couldn't even get our TV. I'm not going to offer something like that." Even more frustrating, he said, is that he can't get his own Verizon bill fixed. "I'm a FiOS customer myself, and I have to call every month because the bill is wrong. I'm on the phone with these people for an hour every time I call - and I am 'these people.'"
Though we've been talking about this stuff for a year or more, the Tribune's coverage of union protests over the problems in Florida are finally bringing broader attention to support issues. As mentioned this morning, Verizon has started a trial where Verizon gives Florida users their own personal support rep, who in turn suffer through Verizon's support systems on the customer's behalf.

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Toguro

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Now thats funny

HA HA HA

dadkins
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Re: Now thats funny

said by Toguro See Profile :

HA HA HA

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worldvision
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ha ha ha. A rep has to call a rep to get his own bill fixed
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jc100

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Re: Now thats funny

Inspirational, isn't it? What gets me is why the guy doesn't just go to someone in person and solve the problem. He'd probably have to take a number and wait =P or they'd accuse him of wasting work hours solving work related issues LOL.

ninjatutle

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At least they are consistent

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Chuckles
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Crappy management.

I once got written up for not trying to sell TV to an 80-something-year-old woman who called to change her phone number," Girit said. "And she was in a nursing home, moving from one room to another, and couldn't even get our TV. I'm not going to offer something like that."
Ugh... that hits home for me. We have to try to sell to everyone. I think I'm just going to offer products no matter what. You're TV is out? How about some Comcast digital voice? Do you want to sign up for that?
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Re: Crappy management.

said by Chuckles See Profile :

Ugh... that hits home for me. We have to try to sell to everyone. I think I'm just going to offer products no matter what. You're TV is out? How about some Comcast digital voice? Do you want to sign up for that?
I'm guessing that each call center is run differently. Back when I worked for a Comcast call center, we just focused on fixing the problem. If the opportunity came up to add something to the account, we took it, but there wasn't any pressure to keep pushing people to buy stuff they didn't want.

Handle time was a concern, but fixing the issue came first. So I guess it all comes down to the quality of your local management.

Or maybe competition has heated up now and this is the dark side of that...everyone's got to sell, sell, sell. Ugh. Glad I'm not on the phones in that kind of environment.

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April 9th, @03:01PM

Re: Crappy management.

Back when I worked for a Comcast call center, we just focused on fixing the problem.
Musta been atleast 5 years ago or a different department.
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Its not just Verizon

Telco's in general seem to have trouble billing for new technology. Try paying your AT&T dry loop DSL bill online. Or by phone. Or try getting your bills online. You can't. Even their own reps can't.
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Why not try.

Old people like TV. Each nursing home setup is different. Ask if she has TV there. If not ask if they allow it and see if you can make a sell. If she says yes we have to share or something then backoff.
My older dad loves TV. Not in a nursing home yet but if he has to someday I am sure TV will follow.
It is all in the approach. Now if Verizon justs wants to have pushy sales no. But sometimes a few questions doesn't hurt.
Syncognition

join:2008-01-12
Winter Park, FL

Re: Why not try.

exactly, you never know when you might be doing someone a favor. I can't tell you how many times a day I get a customer who is calling because they can't log into their online account to pay their bill and they don't have DSL with the company I work for (Embarq). I off-the-cuff ask if who their provider is and how much they pay if they don't mind me asking, and 9 times out of 10 I'm able to give them DSL at much lower price than their current provider.

People forget that the rep isn't trying to make you pay more. He's trying to get your share of wallet away from the competition and with the company he works for. Often times you save the guy $10-$20 a month for basically the same service or better.
bngdup

join:2007-02-20
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Re: Why not try.

Because people called in for Customer SERVICE not Sales. Getting offered extra services every time you call reduces the quality of the conversation and, IMO the validity of any information given by the rep.

If the company had a decent customer service model, they would not need to push sales through customer support

Ebolla

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Re: Why not try.

Doing it mid troubleshooting yes I agree, doing it AFTER you finish then sure go ahead. Something like "If you have a moment would be interested in hearing about..." doesn't irk me as much. Worst that can happen is the customer says no, and if it is a recorded call then you had tried to do a sub portion of job you are paid to do.
bngdup

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Re: Why not try.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not blaming the rep. Its the stupid turnkey standard business model for Customer Service. Its just accepted that you will place insane time limits on calls, deal with crappy support systems, inadequate training...etc.

Since a few people will bite and accept some stupid add-on they think its all worth it to add it on to every call. The big brass couldn't care less about the customer service quality. They only care about how many calls per month they receive. Less calls per month = less customer service spend. So the way they look at it is, we're already getting the call, might as well try and make some money off it it.

Disclaimer: I have worked as phone support

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said by bngdup See Profile :

Because people called in for Customer SERVICE not Sales. Getting offered extra services every time you call reduces the quality of the conversation and, IMO the validity of any information given by the rep.

If the company had a decent customer service model, they would not need to push sales through customer support
Thank you for stating eloquently what was on my mind.
Syncognition

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Well of course, you solve their problem and earn the right to make an offer. If you haven't fixed their issue you have no right to attempt to offer a service. I guess I should be more clear that I (and most others who do this job well) ensure that the problem is taken care of before attempting to discuss such things as who their providers are.

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April 8th, @09:03PM

said by no_one :

Old people like TV. Each nursing home setup is different. Ask if she has TV there. If not ask if they allow it and see if you can make a sell. If she says yes we have to share or something then backoff.
My older dad loves TV. Not in a nursing home yet but if he has to someday I am sure TV will follow.
It is all in the approach. Now if Verizon justs wants to have pushy sales no. But sometimes a few questions doesn't hurt.
COME ON! The woman was in her 80s. She's going to want FIOS TV at the nursing home. Oh-kay... "Why not try" indeed. By the way , since when are tech reps and help support people act as the sales force?

"Sell sell sell, even if you're changing a phone number."

I suppose then you'll want her to be calling monthly to fix her bills.

My grandmother was in a nursing home for a month, and trust me, Verizon FIOS TV is the furthest thing from the senior citizens that live there.

For goodness sakes, many are suffering from Alzheimers and serious health problems. FIOS would be the furthest possible thing from their mind, and most of the time, the nursing home has TV and is in a contract with the local Cable MSO. She couldn't get it if she wanted to most of the time.

I speak only from experience dealing with the issue in NYC. It might be entirely different out on the West Coast, but it just seems a bit of a silly statement.. "Why not try!"

Dave
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Re: Why not try.

said by StreetSpirit See Profile :

COME ON! The woman was in her 80s. She's going to want FIOS TV at the nursing home. Oh-kay... "Why not try" indeed. By the way , since when are tech reps and help support people act as the sales force?
I've installed FiOS tv in nursing homes.
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I think the point was this:

she was in a nursing home, moving from one room to another, and couldn't even get our TV.
The lady's particular situation meant that she couldn't get FIOS TV if she wanted to and yet the Tech got in trouble for not attempting to sell it to her. What if he did try and she "fell" for the sales pitch? Would Verizon have billed her for FIOS TV without providing the service? Why should a tech get in trouble for not trying to sell to each and every customer even when the situation plainly shows that the customer can't use the service?
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metro305

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Same old telcos..

The technology changes but the problems remain. In college I worked for a CLEC in Tampa, Intermedia, all I did was correct /adjust bills. After that job I worked at an Independent ISP in Tampa who provided DSL via GTE/VZ's copper for delivery.

VZ's wholesale billing was always WRONG (in their favor) and my company had 1 to 2 people that reviewed/reconciled ALL line items. For instance Bronze ADSL client would be billed in the wholesale side as GOLD ADSL.

The above mentioned about 9-8 years ago. Today I live in VZ territory, NC, we have no FIOS but do have DSL. I have been quite happy with my TW's cable for the last 5 years.
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Tzale
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Nothing New

I know someone who works for Verizon sales... He forges sales and gets a $100 commission each time he signs up a triple play. Apparently, Verizon doesn't even have the capability to track this!!!

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Re: Nothing New

said by Tzale See Profile :

I know someone who works for Verizon sales... He forges sales and gets a $100 commission each time he signs up a triple play. Apparently, Verizon doesn't even have the capability to track this!!!

-Tzale
He will make the front page of the "quarterly" security report.
See, they do have a way to track that stuff and they let you hang yourself by doing it multiple times and then they fire you.
Seen it many, many times while working for Verizon.
Granted they do have their issues but they also have a very active security department who loves to find this sort of stuff and make an issue of it.
So getting away with it 100 times in a row just means they have a bigger case.
Tell your friend to stop doing that because there is a list a mile long of people who have been fired for that SAME thing.
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April 9th, @02:32PM

Re: Nothing New

said by NY Tel See Profile :

He will make the front page of the "quarterly" security report.
That report is one of the greatest laughs. It's like a "Dumbest Criminals" episode in print.
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Re: Nothing New

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said by NY Tel See Profile :

He will make the front page of the "quarterly" security report.
That report is one of the greatest laughs. It's like a "Dumbest Criminals" episode in print.
I laugh every time I read it because it just shows how stupid some people are. I especially like the "physical" part where it reports on employees "duke-ing it out" on company time.

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Re: Nothing New

said by NY Tel See Profile :

said by irsean See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

He will make the front page of the "quarterly" security report.
That report is one of the greatest laughs. It's like a "Dumbest Criminals" episode in print.
I laugh every time I read it because it just shows how stupid some people are. I especially like the "physical" part where it reports on employees "duke-ing it out" on company time.
Is this an insider thing or do they publish this publicly? I'd like to read it also.

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Re: Nothing New

You can get it from any employee who is willing to share it.

DeadSurvivor
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Re: Nothing New

This sounds like customer service when I worked at Capital One ... Help the customer then get the sale. I no longer work for CapOne.
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said by NY Tel See Profile :

You can get it from any employee who is willing to share it.
Are you an employee?

Just joking.
-Tzale
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Re: Nothing New

said by Tzale See Profile :

said by NY Tel See Profile :

You can get it from any employee who is willing to share it.
Are you an employee?

Just joking.
-Tzale
Not any more. I work in a different part of the technology sector now.
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My personal rep

I have V* and a personal rep. I called their Fios line and asked to speak to a sales rep. I wanted 20/20 Business class. I have 20/20 residential. I have had Fios since it was offered 3 yrs ago.
By the time I got thru being transferred around no less than five times it was 16 minutes later. The nice lady that I finally talked to was very apologetic and listened to my desire. She told me that I would have to pay an early termination penalty and send back my router. Then I would have to pay a separate install fee and new router fee for the new account.

She said that V* would not be able to forward my email since I was closing out the old account. For almost triple the bucks she said that I would get a "Static" address. I thanked her profusely and said goodbye.

I then called my assigned support rep and spoke to him. I told him what the nice lady had related to me and he laughed. He said that I should just get DynDNS, register a domain name and get a "real" mail account. I told him that I had done all those things several years ago.

He said goodbye.!!! This company is not FUBAR, no, not in the least !!!
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Domestic Help?

Does this prove that Verizon CSRs are not based in foreign countries?

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This is a no brain er Verizon takes the cake when it comes to sub-par customer service i have had the pleasure to deal with both and Verizon seems to be ten fold worse then comcast they are rude for one there appointments are like 1 week 3 days out and i am calling because my phone service is out and they cant make it for 1 weeks 3 days that is customer service at its finest thats why i canceled Verizon had the same issue with Comcast were my service was out and they sent someone same day within hours actually that is customer service. How Verizon stays in business with customer service like that is beyond me.

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said by jonnyb See Profile :

How Verizon stays in business with customer service like that is beyond me.
It could be because customer service problems are not that bad at Verizon for most of the customers. If 95% of Verizon FIOS customers do not experience any billing problems or other issues with their service, then they won't be calling tech support. Even if Verizon's support is the worst in the world, most of their customers may not even know it.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by jonnyb See Profile :

How Verizon stays in business with customer service like that is beyond me.
It could be because customer service problems are not that bad at Verizon for most of the customers. If 95% of Verizon FIOS customers do not experience any billing problems or other issues with their service, then they won't be calling tech support. Even if Verizon's support is the worst in the world, most of their customers may not even know it.
I dont know about that everyone that i have been in contact with has had nothing but issues when dealing with Verizon even in other states besides my own.
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Re: Verizon vs Comcast customer service

Pah-lease!! Cable is so bad, I cancelled and had them pull their drop off of my house. That's what you should expect from wanna-be LEC's. I know far too many people that feel the same as I do.
And if you think ALL Vzn jobs are "1 weeks and 3 days" out, you are making that determination based on ONE service call. I know for a fact that just isn't true. Some days the load is light and others, it's very heavy. Usually do to the sheer volume of new FiOS installs in the system.
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Worse than the elderly lady FIOS TV...

I thought that getting in trouble for "not selling FIOS TV to the elderly lady" was bad, but this takes the cake:

Once, he said, he was disciplined for not selling broadband Internet service to someone with no computer.
The people have no computer and he's supposed to sell Internet access to them? And what were they supposed to do with that Internet access if they bought it?

In addition:

Managers try to keep customer calls short, he said, listen in on calls and send pop-up messages onto his computer screen such as "Why aren't you selling them? Get off the phone."
So basically you can't stay on the phone long to troubleshoot problems. You constantly have managers looking over your shoulder (virtually speaking, which is worse because you don't know when the manager is there). And the managers pester you to either sell to the customer or hang up. Yeah, that'll lead to good customer support.

In fact, conditions like that will likely lead to good, talented techs leaving. This will lead to worse customer service and bad word of mouth. Hey, but at least they'll sell some Internet service to some families without computers.

The more I hear about Verizon's FIOS service, the more I'm glad I'm not on it. I'm sure the service itself is fantastic, but the support and billing seem to be nightmares. I'll stick with Roadrunner. The speed might not match FIOS, but it's good enough for my needs. I rarely have a problem with the billing and the support, while perhaps not stellar, is at least passable and doesn't try to upsell me at every turn.
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