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Verizon Tells Us Six Strikes Won't Apply to LTE
Though Company Mute on Other Plan Specifics
by Karl Bode 10:31AM Monday Nov 19 2012
Verizon has confirmed to Broadband Reports that the company's wireless networks will not be covered by the upcoming "six strikes" anti-piracy initiative. I've been trying to get specifics out of companies concerning how exactly they'll enforce six strikes -- and the majority have chosen to remain mute about what will happen. It's rumored that we're just a few weeks from launch and most ISPs have yet to offer up a consumer FAQ so customers know what to expect with the system.

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During a six strikes discussion panel last week, Verizon confirmed they'd be throttling repeat offenders, but I couldn't get the company to be specific about what speeds users will be throttled back to, or any other program specifics. That includes what happens after a user repeatedly gets warned and throttled (Verizon has stated they won't terminate user connections).

"Verizon has not detailed the mitigation process that may take place after the fourth warning," Verizon's Ed McFadden told Broadband Reports in an e-mail. "When we notify our customers about the alerts program, I will make sure that you see what we share with our customers. The alerts process is for wireline customers only, Verizon Wireless (or LTE) is not part of the alerts system."

That's a large chunk of Verizon's broadband services that won't be covered by the new arrangement, given Verizon now sells fixed residential LTE services, and is making plans to migrate a lot of the DSL customers they don't want to upgrade to LTE. Why no six strikes for wireless? File trading over LTE networks would come at a huge price premium given the low caps and $15 per gigabyte overages charged, acting as a deterrent all by itself. Verizon's trying to lure customers to LTE, so imposing tough new restrictions on the service might not be the best PR at the moment.

As for the rest of Verizon's fixed-line broadband customers, the company directed our attention to the alerts explanation page for the Center for Copyright Information, the group that will be managing the six strikes endeavor across ISPs. Some ISPs have finally starting sharing more detail than others -- Time Warner Cable has been willing to talk about their implementation of their version of the program, details of which I'll share later on today.

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I will lay it all out for you....

Verizon has to wait till it has enough subscribers to it's home LTE services to lay the Hammer down on them. Lure them in, then give them the high hard one!
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Re: I will lay it all out for you....

said by spewak:

Verizon has to wait till it has enough subscribers to it's home LTE services to lay the Hammer down on them. Lure them in, then give them the high hard one!

No, you are looking at this wrong. Verizon is willing to "throttle" their unlimited use customers, because it costs them nothing.

But they are NOT willing to throttle their metered plans, as that would reduce revenue.

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Re: I will lay it all out for you....

said by Camelot One:

said by spewak:

Verizon has to wait till it has enough subscribers to it's home LTE services to lay the Hammer down on them. Lure them in, then give them the high hard one!

No, you are looking at this wrong. Verizon is willing to "throttle" their unlimited use customers, because it costs them nothing.

But they are NOT willing to throttle their metered plans, as that would reduce revenue.

I stand corrected good sir.
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said by Camelot One:

said by spewak:

Verizon has to wait till it has enough subscribers to it's home LTE services to lay the Hammer down on them. Lure them in, then give them the high hard one!

No, you are looking at this wrong. Verizon is willing to "throttle" their unlimited use customers, because it costs them nothing.

But they are NOT willing to throttle their metered plans, as that would reduce revenue.

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said by spewak:

Verizon has to wait till it has enough subscribers to it's home LTE services to lay the Hammer down on them. Lure them in, then give them the high hard one!

that was always what the plan was its been about 10+ year sin making lure you in screw you after you have a need ....
i think we the people of the net should do a world wide strike and terrify them....ya know show them for a whole week we cna go without net....and if we can do one week....two...then a month then screw ISPS....
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Verzion

Why are your internet prices great, but when it comes to Wireless it is a rip off?

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Re: Verzion

different companies.

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No there not verizon OWNS yes owns alot of vzw so no they are more the same than not.

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huh??

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Vodafone owns 45% of verizon wireless while Verizon owns 55%.

It is a entirely separete business which they own part of, and a itis wireless they are in a differently regulated, still emerging line of the comunications industry.

The high demand and mobile nature will assur premium price for sometime to come.
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said by tshirt:

Vodafone owns 45% of verizon wireless while Verizon owns 55%.

Verizon has full control over VZW operations, Vodaphone is just along for the ride. Verizon's investment for VZW came from the wireline division, VZW is controlled by Verizon's management, and most of the profits from VZW go back to VZ. They may be a subsidiary on paper but for all intents and purposes they are the same company.
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Caps

With low caps and high overages, I don't think too many people are pirating over LTE.
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Re: Caps

Very true.

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They could pay for the content being pirated using the data charges! 1GB for $10 is plenty of money to "slip in" to the bill :P
tmc8080

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$$

well, sure.. at the high price you pay for data.. the piracy tax is already built into the price..

stay tuned on how much MORE it will end up costing you on FIOS... (whether your guilty or not)
Kamus

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LOL it's useless enough as it is.

Why make their service even more shity than it already is? six strikes are only "needed" on unlimited services. LTE already has much worse artificial limitations in the form of their data allowance.
Crookshanks

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Can they even track it?

Verizon puts all of their 3G/LTE customers behind NAT now. Would they have the ability to comply with a *AA subpenoa/six-strikes request? There's no technical reason why they couldn't be tracking every single TCP/UDP conversation, it would require some fairly beefy hardware and a lot of storage space, but it could be done. The question is, do they bother?

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I would imagine the caps is the larger deterrent

Ditto... the caps is why they won't enforce it on wireless. Even if you pirated one movie or audio cd. The bandwidth alone would only let you do it say once or twice at most.

They wouldn't waste their time on such trivial and small targets.