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Verizon Tests 1 Gbps GPON FiOS
Existing business customer sees 800-925 Mbps in trial
by Karl Bode Monday 16-Aug-2010 tags: business · bandwidth · Verizon FiOS
Verizon's been busily conducting GPON connectivity in the field, showcasing how future upgrades could theoretically allow them to offer 10 Gbps to each home, or symmetrical 1 Gbps service to each PC in said home. But Verizon's current framework is no slouch either, the company today announcing they just completed a trial that involved almost 1 Gbps service on their existing GPON network.

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The trial involved connecting Verizon's Taunton, Massachusetts call-switching office to an ONT located at a business customer's location. The speed was tested to a local speed test server over an optimized route, as well as across the public Internet to a regional speed test server located more than 400 miles away.

GPON is theoretically capable of offering 2.4 Gbps downstream and 1.2 Gbps upstream. In the real world (or at least something close to it), the connection tested out at 925 Mbps to a local server and 800 Mbps to a regional speed test server.

"The successful trial demonstrates that we have the headroom to meet current and future demands on the FiOS network from both residential and business customers," Verizon spokesman Cliff Lee tells Broadband Reports. The test "validates our decision to support both residential and business services on the same platform," said Vincent O'Byrne, director of Verizon's technology organization, who managed the trial.

Last week AT&T proclaimed Verizon's decision to halt FiOS expansion (to ramp up penetration and see if they could score some taxpayer/USF funds to continue deployment) justified AT&T's decision to spend less on AT&T U-Verse, though Verizon remains in a better competitive position. While you won't see 1 Gbps FiOS anytime soon, it seems likely Verizon will offer a new 100 Mbps (uncapped) tier sometime in the next year.

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majortom1029

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yeah so?

The problem is that verizon blasts cablevision but decided that big chunks of long island arent worth it for fios.

Atleast cablevision can give 100/15 speeds to the WHOLE footprint that they serve.
davidhoffman
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Re: yeah so?

Short term thinking stockholders(owners) are to blame.
ITALIAN926

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Yea ok... show me the speed tests... " up to 100Mbps " just like every other cable service. I pay for 35/35 with FioS and Im getting 44/35

LightS

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Re: yeah so?

and i'm paying for 7mbps cable internet w/ PowerBoost up to 15mbps.

I'm getting 28-30mbps.

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Re: yeah so?

said by LightS:

and i'm paying for 7mbps cable internet w/ PowerBoost up to 15mbps.

I'm getting 28-30mbps.
Smoke and mirrors. Unlike FIOS, you are getting 25-30Mbps for about 5-10 seconds. you are just getting your 7Mbps, if that. Don't kid yourself.

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Re: yeah so?

Incorrect. My 25-30mbps lasts for minutes at a time, sometimes(at night) not dropping down. Even when it drops, I still hover around 11-12mbps. Now my upload, on the other hand, I could easily upgrade... but all I'm saying, is Time Warner in my area is fantastic..
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Re: yeah so?

How do you base these figures? Off of a speed test are raw throughput?

Because I will tell you, majority of speed tests out there are not all that reliable. Unless you're using something like Jperf.

I'd be curious to see what you get for raw throughput from a server that has the capacity. My experience with cable is that speed tests always look great. But the actual throughput when downloading files is always @ the provisioned speed (7mbps in your case) or less.

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Re: yeah so?

Usually I base my figures on UseNet. My Powerboost will kick in and range from 2.0MB/s and higher, depending on the file. UseNet usually is my max speed, all the time. Once powerboost drops off, it sits around 800-1100kb/s, but it picks back up again rapidly.
I don't really trust Speedtests much, because they're pretty unreliable and not accurate. I'm basing it upon real-life usage, and UseNet/Torrents show my speeds and support them.

Although, one thing i wish downloaded faster is Steam.:(
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Re: yeah so?

Well, 2.0 MB/s is 16mbps. So unless you're seeing speeds like 3.0 MB/s or higher, you're still close to your provisioned speed w/ Powerboost.

It would be interesting to take your average speed over an entire download. I would be shocked to see it anywhere close to 30mbps.

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Re: yeah so?

I agree. The average is closer to 7mbps than 30, but during the daytime it's much lower.

As we're established, we aren't fond of speedtests.. but it's 5pm, and my speeds aren't affected much.

Now, this isn't to say I wouldn't love FiOS -- but I would love the upload it provides.. and the consistent latency, etc. but the Cable internet provided here is more than adequate for my uses -- which are definitely way above average..

Even so, I have seen the 3.0MB/s or higher, sometimes closer to 4, highest I think I've seen is around 3.8/3.7MB/s. It will last minutes at a time, and during the day it will sit around 2MB/s.

Either way, there's no doubt I'm getting much more than I pay for!

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said by majortom1029:

The problem is that verizon blasts cablevision but decided that big chunks of long island arent worth it for fios.
CV has been fighting all FIOS rollouts on LI. As I understand it, all the CO's are ready, they just need to "wire" the homes.
At least cablevision can give 100/15 speeds to the WHOLE footprint that they serve.
No they CAN'T!!
They can't even handle 16/2 to all their footprint.
They also have been slow with the D3 modems upgrades.
The only thing stopping a MASS exodus from CV is that in most cases, they are the ONLY game in town for broadband, and they have a lot of customers who don't know how bad their service actually is...
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Re: yeah so?

said by JRW2:

said by majortom1029:

The problem is that verizon blasts cablevision but decided that big chunks of long island arent worth it for fios.
CV has been fighting all FIOS rollouts on LI. As I understand it, all the CO's are ready, they just need to "wire" the homes.
At least cablevision can give 100/15 speeds to the WHOLE footprint that they serve.
No they CAN'T!!
They can't even handle 16/2 to all their footprint.
They also have been slow with the D3 modems upgrades.
The only thing stopping a MASS exodus from CV is that in most cases, they are the ONLY game in town for broadband, and they have a lot of customers who don't know how bad their service actually is...
Well thats not any better then verizon then is it because they cant do fios to their whole foot print either.

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said by majortom1029:

The problem is that verizon blasts cablevision but decided that big chunks of long island arent worth it for fios.

Atleast cablevision can give 100/15 speeds to the WHOLE footprint that they serve.
CV? What a joke of a company.

I'll piss on their grave when they go bankrupt.
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said by majortom1029:

The problem is that verizon blasts cablevision but decided that big chunks of long island arent worth it for fios.
I agree! Long Island should fall into the ocean just like California!

cameronsfx

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So? Can anyone, except a huge network, use that much? Few servers could handle it. 100/50, like in Japan, is all you really need. Even outside Japan few servers can handle that connection. It drops to 30 mbps or less outside Japan.

I gbps download of all those Microsoft updates would be fast but still take forever to install.

aztecnology
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GPON

So how do we find out if we have GPON in our territory. I'd love to see my fios speeds kicked up a notch...
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Re: GPON

Most of the Fios roll outs Verizon did after 2008 were GPON, I believe. The earlier systems can be BPON, or GPON depending on the location and roll out date.

FIOS became available in my area about this time last year, and I'm on GPON. My contract is also almost up, so Verizon's been calling my phone a LOT lately.

Since my price is locked in for the next year, with no contract, I see no need to make any changes. I'm very happy with the service..
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Re: GPON

Murrieta was one of the first cities to get it back in 2004-2005, so I guess i'll know when I know...
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Hmm

I'd love to see FIOS period.

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Re: Hmm

Same here.

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Here too.
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Re: Hmm

Here three.
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They lost 1 "penetration' here!

They lost one 'penetration' here-they attempted to penetrate ME by requiring a 250 dollar deposit for both me and my wife-both former long time Verizon customers....

Besides, I got better/faster service for less money using a combination of Comcast for Internet and DirecTv for television.

FiOS has what I call the COORS factor. I lived in the east coast and for years we couldn't get Coors there. The interest in it was mystical there. Finally it arrived and I tasted my first can-to find it was only beer.

FiOS is (only) expensive TV/Internet.

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Re: They lost 1 "penetration' here!

said by qworster:

They lost one 'penetration' here-they attempted to penetrate ME by requiring a 250 dollar deposit for both me and my wife-both former long time Verizon customers....
That must mean you have a poor credit score. For the other 95% of subscribers, they didn't have to pay a cent.

Besides, I got better/faster service for less money using a combination of Comcast for Internet and DirecTv for television.
FiOS doesn't cap you to 250 GB per month (A user here downloaded terabytes of data every day and there wasn't a peep from Verizon). Also: No evening slowdowns due to overcrowded nodes. Symmetrical download/upload speeds.

FiOS has what I call the COORS factor. I lived in the east coast and for years we couldn't get Coors there. The interest in it was mystical there. Finally it arrived and I tasted my first can-to find it was only beer.

FiOS is (only) expensive TV/Internet.
You've obviously never subscribed to FiOS. And where I live, it's cheaper than Comcast. What a shock!
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Re: They lost 1 "penetration' here!

said by runzero:

said by qworster:

That must mean you have a poor credit score. For the other 95% of subscribers, they didn't have to pay a cent.
Besides, I got better/faster service for less money using a combination of Comcast for Internet and DirecTv for television.
FiOS doesn't cap you to 250 GB per month (A user here downloaded terabytes of data every day and there wasn't a peep from Verizon). Also: No evening slowdowns due to overcrowded nodes. Symmetrical download/upload speeds.

FiOS has what I call the COORS factor. I lived in the east coast and for years we couldn't get Coors there. The interest in it was mystical there. Finally it arrived and I tasted my first can-to find it was only beer.

FiOS is (only) expensive TV/Internet.
You've obviously never subscribed to FiOS. And where I live, it's cheaper than Comcast. What a shock!
They lost one 'penetration' here-they attempted to penetrate ME by requiring a 250 dollar deposit for both me and my wife-both former long time Verizon customers....
My credit scores are fine-but because we cut up our credit cards and paid everything off a few years ago they claim we don't have enough credit now.

I pay under 30 dollars a month for 250 plus channel HD service from DirecTv-and it will remain that way for the next six months, then slowly increase to about 65 dollars a month for the last 6 months of my two year committment.

I pay 29.95/month for 15/3 Comcast Internet that consistently runs 20+/5.2. I also get 105 local TV channels from them, most in HDTV.

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Re: They lost 1 "penetration' here!

said by qworster:

I also get 105 local TV channels from them, most in HDTV.
whoa whoa whoa. 105 local tv channels? where do you live that you have 100+ local tv channels?!

what is your comcast bill combined? tv +internet? how much is your internet if you were to get it by itself?
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Re: They lost 1 "penetration' here!

15/3 Internet by itself is 19.99 a month. Since I didn't have cable (and you need it for Internet), they bundled TV broadcast basic service with it and gave both to me for $29.99 a month. Sounded like a good deal to me, so I bit.

When I did a channel scan on my HDTV, I got 105 channels. Some are locals (in both SD and HD). Some are secondary channels (like channel 3-2, 12-3, etc.). Some are local access channels, some are out of market channels (such as WGN) . The Weather Channel is there. There are a few religious and shopping channels too. In total there are 105 channels I get with Broadcast Basic.
Now, some duplicate with DirecTV. But many don't (such as the public access and secondary local channels).

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said by qworster:

When I did a channel scan on my HDTV, I got 105 channels. Some are locals (in both SD and HD). Some are secondary channels (like channel 3-2, 12-3, etc.). Some are local access channels, some are out of market channels (such as WGN) . The Weather Channel is there. There are a few religious and shopping channels too. In total there are 105 channels I get with Broadcast Basic.
Now, some duplicate with DirecTV. But many don't (such as the public access and secondary local channels).
ah yes I forgot about the dash channels on ATSC broadcast. Where I live I pick up about 40 channels OTA. So, I can see how someone in the right market could easily pick up a ton of OTA channels.

Is that comcast on a contract? I know i'm in a different comcast market than you, but I can never find a reasonable price for comcast internet without tv service(i'd be happy with $39.99/month for 15/3 for 12 months, but noo).

i don't own a tv so there is no reason for me to subscribe to tv service.
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Re: They lost 1 "penetration' here!

It's a six month deal. but the CSR told me that when it expires I should call to cancel and he was 99% certain they'd extend the deal for another 6 months.
All I did was call them up and ask the CSR to sharpen his pencil. He laughed and immediately gave me this offer. I don't think it's advertised, but I have it, so who cares?
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said by qworster:

FiOS has what I call the COORS factor. I lived in the east coast and for years we couldn't get Coors there. The interest in it was mystical there. Finally it arrived and I tasted my first can-to find it was only beer.
+1 for "then you've never had FIOS".

Once you've had uploads this fast, you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.

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said by qworster:

FiOS has what I call the COORS factor. I lived in the east coast and for years we couldn't get Coors there. The interest in it was mystical there. Finally it arrived and I tasted my first can-to find it was only beer.
I wonder how many "kids" today get confused by the plot of "Smokey and the Bandit"?

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Sigh...

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UPdate?

Well over 90% of Long Island (excluding NYC) is wired or doesn't have a VIDEO FRANCHISE agreement in place to make fios worth the investment (has historically been the stubmling block). Verizon already committed to very close to 100% overlay of long island as far back as 2003.

Also, they will need to develop a new specialized GPON ont for the NYC area because the MOCA tops out at around 175mbit and that's including the video stream to the CPE over coax(hence moca media over coax access). I don't care if it's Motorola, Scientific Atlanta or Cisco.. but they better get on stick & develop a multi-gigabit solution. Or else, they'll waste money on rewiring back to ethernet which isn't ideal for many rough-n-tumble nyc locations.

Press releases hint something's coming, but let's see what the actual timeline is to raising speeds. 25, & 35mbit are symmetric.. now it's time to bump the 50 up to symmetric & introduce the 100/100 (courtesy of a gpon upgrade). The $1 per megabit barrier will also be psychological number to beat in the progress of broadband speeds into 2011 & beyond (aka the so-called broadband war). For this reason, gigabit offerings mean nothing if it's price out of reach for the residential customer ($1k for 1gigabit?)
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Re: UPdate?

you don't need a video franchise to deploy. you can always deploy and then get that next. if you can't get it. become a full IPTV provider like some that are popping up all over online.

VZ never thought to do that though i bet. But as far as hinting at anything ? what would that be? their PR doesn't have any hints at all and they're always testing out what their network can handle. The sad part is they always test it to THEIR servers and not someone else's so it a moot topic as far as speed. And Scientific Atlanta is Cisco now if you didn't know that.
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said by tmc8080:

Well over 90% of Long Island (excluding NYC) is wired or doesn't have a VIDEO FRANCHISE agreement in place to make fios worth the investment (has historically been the stubmling block).
90% by land or by population?

Also, they will need to develop a new specialized GPON ont for the NYC area because the MOCA tops out at around 175mbit and that's including the video stream to the CPE over coax(hence moca media over coax access). I don't care if it's Motorola, Scientific Atlanta or Cisco.. but they better get on stick & develop a multi-gigabit solution. Or else, they'll waste money on rewiring back to ethernet which isn't ideal for many rough-n-tumble nyc locations.
Anyone who orders >100 FiOS will have someone to do the gigabit ethernet wiring (themselves or their it contractor). 99% of people use wifi because they know nothing about wiring. And saturating N wifi is super easy (450 mbps = 110mbps real life 10 feet away from the AP).
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said by tmc8080:

Well over 90% of Long Island (excluding NYC) is wired or doesn't have a VIDEO FRANCHISE agreement in place to make fios worth the investment (has historically been the stubmling block). Verizon already committed to very close to 100% overlay of long island as far back as 2003.

Also, they will need to develop a new specialized GPON ont for the NYC area because the MOCA tops out at around 175mbit and that's including the video stream to the CPE over coax(hence moca media over coax access). I don't care if it's Motorola, Scientific Atlanta or Cisco.. but they better get on stick & develop a multi-gigabit solution. Or else, they'll waste money on rewiring back to ethernet which isn't ideal for many rough-n-tumble nyc locations.

Press releases hint something's coming, but let's see what the actual timeline is to raising speeds. 25, & 35mbit are symmetric.. now it's time to bump the 50 up to symmetric & introduce the 100/100 (courtesy of a gpon upgrade). The $1 per megabit barrier will also be psychological number to beat in the progress of broadband speeds into 2011 & beyond (aka the so-called broadband war). For this reason, gigabit offerings mean nothing if it's price out of reach for the residential customer ($1k for 1gigabit?)
your 90 percent of long island is wrong. HUGE chunks of places arent wired. BIg chunks of lindenhurst arent wired, and whole other sections of the town of babylon arent either. I moved out to medford and bam no fios available either. I dont even have dsl available here.
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Re: UPdate?

>>your 90 percent of long island is wrong. HUGE chunks of places arent wired. BIg chunks of lindenhurst arent wired, and whole other sections of the town of babylon arent either. I moved out to medford and bam no fios available either. I dont even have dsl available here.
>

Really? Are you talking about $400k+ housing or below $200k housing, or worse yet, apartment buildings? the latter two were 'last on the list' for FIOS deployment. Also, from what I remember as of 06-09, there were some unsafe areas in the Babylon & Lyndenhurst areas during that summer of deployment which halted the progress of FIOS. If they never got back to it... that's the community's fault for not ensuring the safety of workers who had to string cable at night.
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Nice to see it advancing faster than most of us need it

I get 10-15Mbps but only 'need' 5Mbps for Netflix/Hulu streaming and laptop browsing. I'd be surprised if more than 90% of consumers really 'need' more than 10. Now if they priced 100Mbps at $100/month, would sure be satisfied to get 10M at $15-$20/month, even $30 would be a start.

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The reasons why VZ has been slow(er) lately on deployment

1. Skittish investors
2. Ramp up penetration ( gotta finish areas they started)
3. See if they could score some taxpayer/USF funds to continue deployment (why put rate payers/investors on the hook, if you can score 'free' money from Uncle Sam).

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Verizon hasn't 'halted' permanently...

There seems to be a lot of negative attitude towards Verizon. As a former FiOS user, I totally understand the reasoning. A lot of it has to do with Verizon halting construction. This isn't because they deem all other areas 'unprofitable'. It's due to the low penetration in existing markets. They want to ensure that they can up the penetration in current markets before continuing to expand. I also agree that they should try and get USF funding as long as it's used to build out to rural areas.

Verizon will likely resume construction some time in 2011. After that you will all get your FiOS. If you are that unhappy with your current ISP, petition your local government to start a community fiber project.

PS I'm not affiliated in any way/shape/form with Verizon.

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kerya666

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1Gbps!!

Ahhh finally!!!

But I got a sour taste in my mouth just thinking of how much this will cost.

Good that we will have options at least.

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Who topped out first?

Based on this:

quote:
GPON is theoretically capable of offering 2.4 Gbps downstream and 1.2 Gbps upstream. In the real world (or at least something close to it), the connection tested out at 925 Mbps to a local server and 800 Mbps to a regional speed test server.
I'm interested to know if the testing server maxed out first (only connected at 1 Gb?) or if it was the GPON connection.
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Re: Who topped out first?

said by The WeaseL:

Based on this:

quote:
GPON is theoretically capable of offering 2.4 Gbps downstream and 1.2 Gbps upstream. In the real world (or at least something close to it), the connection tested out at 925 Mbps to a local server and 800 Mbps to a regional speed test server.
I'm interested to know if the testing server maxed out first (only connected at 1 Gb?) or if it was the GPON connection.
My guess would be the test server got maxed out.
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TCP is bleeding to death at those speeds. TCP should have died with the dialup modem.

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No serious commercial server is going to be running on any kind of xPON connection. xPOn tech is a best effort consumer/small business internet connection not a transport to a peering/isp connection. Commercial severs are connected, most of the time, by a SONET carrier connection or some sort of ethernet over SONET. Odds are if they sustained 800Mbps to a public speed server it has a connection well in excess of 1 Gbps.
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Re: Who topped out first?

Commercial servers are generally connected by gigabit ethernet (possibly in trunks) or very rarely by ten gigabit ethernet. SONET is still used in other cases, of course -- just not directly to a server.

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said by The WeaseL:

I'm interested to know if the testing server maxed out first (only connected at 1 Gb?) or if it was the GPON connection.
Fios line aka "Fiber to your A**!" : Hi I am here to check my speed.

Server: "Hey F**ker knock that S**T off!"

Fios line aka "Fiber to your A**!" : I thought you liked me!

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and stop making my F**kin lights blink.

Fios line aka "Fiber to your A**!": but I like blinky lights!

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MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·DIRECTV
·Optimum Online
·Cablevision

Have it available, and for now not interested.

I've lived at a house where it was available for the past year
I was really busy moving and due to my job absolutely needing internet access at home and too much to do I couldn't wait weeks for an appointment and waste a whole day with the installers
plus I was able to get 30/5 for $45 from cable vision for the first year fios starts off at $55 for 15/5

I share directv with my upstairs neighbor, we both rent a floor of the house, which was already installed and didn't come with a $50 per outlet charge that verizon charges for new coax lines, which I've never been charged by a cable company.

Their product has a lot of potential, but the prices are outrageous if you don't take the triple play, they need to learn to be price competitive, cable vision beats them hands down in terms of price/speed
ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Re: Have it available, and for now not interested.

Cablevision beats them by speed??!! Yea OK, their 100Meg service costs and extra $100 a month with a $300 activation fee. Im getting 45 down / 33 up with FiOS with my triple play, please tell me Cablevision beats that with their regular price service.

Verizon triple play, ALL movies, Multi room DVR, ALL MOVIE CHANNELS, actual on-demand thats HI DEF, 35/35 internet ( getting more ) 3 STB's , unlimited digital voice.. $170's a month. Cablevision will never enter my house again.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·DIRECTV
·Optimum Online
·Cablevision

Re: Have it available, and for now not interested.

I clearly explained and ruled out triple play deals.
I don't need a home phone and when sharing directv I pay a total of $40 for 1 HD-DVR, 1 HD box and 2 SD boxes.

For $45 for the first year I got 30/5 which was more than I needed, it would have been $55 before taxes for simple 15/5.

I'M just not interested in paying that much for internet/tv/phone, I now pay $30 for internet, $10 for voip and $40 for tv, verizon fios only makes sense if you want to get everything which was my point, it's not price competitive if you don't want to take everything and the $50 per coax line install fee really rubs me the wrong way.

Directv is loaded with HD material also I really enjoy it.
waiting4fios

join:2005-04-08
Howell, NJ

Re: Have it available, and for now not interested.

$50 Coax outlet fee is only to install new coax runs. Obviously if you have DirecTV working now, you already have coax in place that they could tap into without needing to run new lines, hence you would not be charged unless you wanted separate runs from the DirecTV lines.

Check with an electrical contractor to see how much they charge to run coax, and I think you'll find $50 to be a steal.

Call the cable company and your guaranteed to get a splitter/amp hack job

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
just to clarify I said price/speed or to be put more clearly bang for your buck when your trying to save some money.

Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ

HD!

Net speed is fine, I want more HD channels

breese
Premium
join:2000-05-10
Arlington Heights, IL

Bad Taste

I have had DSL for 12 to 15 years in my area.

I have been after AT&T to complete the u-verse. I am waiting an willing to convert all over..... Na Da... Once a month I check and offer to do whatever it takes...

Verzion... Gotten worse not better.
I have 2 Verizon wireless cards that Average 200KBPS.
Why would I listen to anything they have to say when they wont even fix the cell towers in the area. Use to have great connections... Oh well.

runzero

join:2005-09-16
DC
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·DSL EXTREME

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Re: Bad Taste

Verizon Wireless is a joint venture between Verizon and Vodafone so it's more or less a separate company, not to mention that you live far out of range of Verizon territory. So your anger is kind of misplaced.

You wouldn't want U-verse anyways. It's second-rate service that provides fiber up until 3000 feet, where the signal then travels through ancient copper phone wiring to your home. The HD is overly compressed to the point where it looks like a YouTube video and the internet upload speeds are far too low.
nishiko7
Premium
join:2007-05-01
Pleasant Hill, CA
Reviews:
·VOIPo

Re: Bad Taste

said by runzero:

You wouldn't want U-verse anyways. It's second-rate service that provides fiber up until 3000 feet, where the signal then travels through ancient copper phone wiring to your home. The HD is overly compressed to the point where it looks like a YouTube video and the internet upload speeds are far too low.
Point taken on the video quality... it is indeed a little too compressed, but the HD is still quite stunning to the average person. The HD is decent enough for most people, for most people. And their SD is far superior to almost all other providers to boot.

EVERYTHING ELSE about UVerse is amazing! It matters not how they do what they do, but the end result. The Internet is the most important thing to me, and even though UVerse dosn't have the highest speeds typically, their highest speeds more than satisfy what 90% of customers are willing to pay for additional speed premiums on other providers, especially the cable companies.

What UVerse is, once installed right, is ROCK SOLID in the aggregate / average (ie, for most of their customers of over 6 months). Rock solid and CONSISTENT. Latency and speed do not vary by any significant amount by what time of the day or week it is. The majority of cable internet installations see much more variability, and often short service interruptions.

That is why the DSLR UVerse rankings are much higher than most of the MSO's DOCSIS offerings... well, part of the reason anyway.

*IF* DOCSIS is managed effectively and not too much on the cheap side (which is a strong tendency with most MSO's), then it can be great too. But overall, on average, VDSL2 connections are MUCH more consistent / reliable / stable once installed right.

Mari

@comcast.net

Motorola gear

I just posted on the Motorola blog about this 1Gbps trial. Verizon used Motorola equipment: »bit.ly/cv44hT

MrMagoo967

@verizon.net

I'd be happy to get off

verizons dsl, if they could just finish wiring all of brooklyn. What a crock, oooh fios fios oooh, I waited for years. Um so were is this fios the commercials talk about.

BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:32
Reviews:
·Clearwire Wireless

And we're supposed to be impressed? Yawn....

So they delivered sorta (and not reliably evidently) to one business customer. They failed to reach the 1gbps threshold and they failed to keep a consistent datarate which is bad for many applications. So the obvious question is why did they bother bragging about a failure? Oh silly me...I forgot, Verizon recently added a youtube widget to FiOS and with all the fuss one might have thought the world stood still for a day....now it all makes sense...yawn.

fios tv

@verizon.net

hm

you have to pay for more! with verizon fios, you get more bandwidth, a better tv line-up. you can get a fios double play for & bucks. if you run the coax your self, it's cheaper to. buy the cable. its know ones fault coax isn't installed. verizon fios rules. internet is faster than a motha. tv is clear as day, more selection. better selection. nothing touches fios.
majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
kudos:1

Re: hm

said by fios tv :

you have to pay for more! with verizon fios, you get more bandwidth, a better tv line-up. you can get a fios double play for & bucks. if you run the coax your self, it's cheaper to. buy the cable. its know ones fault coax isn't installed. verizon fios rules. internet is faster than a motha. tv is clear as day, more selection. better selection. nothing touches fios.
If fios is so good why did they stop deployment? They arent even honouring their franchise agreements they made with towns here on long island.

heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL

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Are AT&T's days numbered?

Somebody give me a scenario(based on what they will do, not what they should do) in which they're not out of business in the next 5-10 years. Are they figuring that wired communications are becoming obsolete so they don't wanna waste money upgrading it? It probably will be obsolete, but not anytime soon.
nishiko7
Premium
join:2007-05-01
Pleasant Hill, CA
Reviews:
·VOIPo

Re: Are AT&T's days numbered?

said by heat84:

Somebody give me a scenario(based on what they will do, not what they should do) in which they're not out of business in the next 5-10 years. Are they figuring that wired communications are becoming obsolete so they don't wanna waste money upgrading it? It probably will be obsolete, but not anytime soon.
Easy: FTTN --> FTTC --> FTTH, incrementally, as needed. And if slightly behind the curve at any given competitive market, they can compete on price until they can complete the upgrade.

UVerse is easily extensible, and mostly not wasted money at all. The fiber just keeps inching closer and closer to the customer as needed. And costs continue to fall as time passes. So on the whole, it really isn't costing AT&T much extra to do it incrementally.

I can assure you AT&T is going nowhere bad anytime soon.
sub42ox7one

join:2009-09-08

no FIOS here only verizon dsl:(

I would do anything to see FIOS in my area but unfortunately its not even though Verizon is on the area and offers 3mbit/768 kbps DSL that is all.

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