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MrFreeze
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2013-Apr-3 8:48 am
Big mistakeI work in the city and I repair cut fibers almost every week. NYC's underground infrastructure is in a terrible shape and backholes, trenches are dug all over the place. Althought Verizon should already know this unless its some type of new managment decision. | |
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 |  exocet_cmWriting
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join:2003-03-23
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Re: Big mistakesaid by MrFreeze :I work in the city and I repair cut fibers almost every week. NYC's underground infrastructure is in a terrible shape and backholes, trenches are dug all over the place. Althought Verizon should already know this unless its some type of new managment decision.
I'm not that familiar with outdoor runs but damn, that doesn't look like a great idea. Did you see the video? Road repairs? Sidewalk repairs? In one part it looked like it was run through a wooden deck. What happens when/if the road shifts (all the time here in New Orleans, not sure about NY). | |
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join:2002-12-04
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Re: Big mistakeHaving a shallow trench is much better than what happens in the Washington D.C./NoVa/MD area; fiber is just thrown on the ground in the woods behind houses. It's ok though, coax is also just thrown around like that... | |
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| CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture
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join:2011-08-11
NYC |
to MrFreeze
The vendor came in to give us a class on this not too long ago. Its primary purpose is to bring fiber into buildings with old collapsed ducts or buried cable. This is to save money from the normal deep-trenched duct that would need to be installed in such situations. Besides the problem of it being only inches below the surface, the fiber they intend to pull through that duct is difficult to work with; the individual strands are smaller than normal and, even in bright light, it is hard to distinguish the colors or even handle it. I don't predict this will turn out well. | |
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Re: Big mistakeMy biggest thing was how they did it in the roadway. What happens when the mill that road to repave it. | |
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where?this probably would be more the case in Manhattan and north west Brooklyn which is slowly becoming gentrified (ie pushing the minorities & poor out).
Though, you still need to have NODE boxes placed SOMEWHERE above ground for access. Maybe they could negotiate the removal of payphones and include wifi hotpots in their place along w/ the NODE boxes. Manhattan boxes would have to be armored sufficiently to prevent petty sabotage.
Any word on reigniting competition.. last left on life support...? | |
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| me1212
join:2008-11-20
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me1212
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2013-Apr-3 9:47 am
Re: where?said by tmc8080:this probably would be more the case in Manhattan and north west Brooklyn which is slowly becoming gentrified (ie pushing the minorities & poor out).
Are you playing the race card before they even announce where they are doing it at? | |
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join:2002-12-04
Bloomington, IN |
Re: where?Heh, it doesn't look that way to me; he said POOR too. | |
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join:2008-11-20
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me1212
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2013-Apr-3 10:40 am
Re: where?Fine then, race and class cards. :P | |
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Re: where?said by me1212:Fine then, race and class cards. :P
Bloomberg looked as if he were helping poor people all of 5 minutes into a 12 year term-- the other 11 years 11 months 29 days & 23 hours & 55 minutes was/is dedicated to wall street billionaires. Verizon can't seem to care about serving poor people. Minimum rates paid by customers is putting FIOS subscription rates among the poor at the lowest levels since the merger that created Verizon. If you've been keeping tabs on what's happening in NYC the wealthy geographies of the lower half of Manhattan and SELECT geographies of north west Brooklyn are pet projects to spend millions of dollars in a way where poor people have no place. | |
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| elray
join:2000-12-16
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said by tmc8080:this probably would be more the case in Manhattan and north west Brooklyn which is slowly becoming gentrified (ie pushing the minorities & poor out). And just exactly is wrong with gentrification? How does a poor person or a "minority", whatever that is, have a greater claim to a given space in a particular zip code than anyone else? | |
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silbaco
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join:2009-08-03
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silbaco
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2013-Apr-3 10:53 am
Bad IdeaIt may speed things up, but it is only going to cause headaches down the road. | |
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|  pende_tim
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join:2004-01-04
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Re: Bad Ideasaid by silbaco:It may speed things up, but it is only going to cause headaches down the road.
Nothing most public companies are already doing: get the short term gains to satisfy stockholders and let the future worry about sustainability. | |
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join:2003-08-10
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jap
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2013-Apr-3 8:18 pm
Re: Bad Ideasaid by pende_tim:said by silbaco:It may speed things up, but it is only going to cause headaches down the road. Nothing most public companies are already doing: get the short term gains to satisfy stockholders and let the future worry about sustainability. No problem. Spin off NYC FOIS into it's own division (House of Cards Communications?), laden it with debt, and sell it to some suckers from NC. VZ has a strong track record of being assholes to everyone on all sides. | |
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What happens...... when another utility has to cut across one of those lines?
I see ConEd cutting the floor around the city all the time in places like the ones shown in the video. | |
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|  tshirt
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tshirt
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2013-Apr-3 1:53 pm
Re: What happens...when it gets marked, the provider gets a notice and can have a "splice crew" standing by. | |
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tshirt
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2013-Apr-3 12:53 pm
I've seen this done......generally as a midterm temporary solution on recently paved roads intended to last until just before the next repaving or major works project so that the cost and disruption of tearing up the roads is only done once every 20 years or so.
works great in suburban developments that weren't ducted or fibered even urban residential areas outside the business core where the roads see little wear and tear.
would be very temporary in many older cities | |
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MrFreeze
Anon
2013-Apr-3 2:09 pm
Bad idea.No company wants fiber cuts! Trust me it costs a shit load of money for repair and man work.
Ask me how I know, sometimes it takes days to repair and replace.
Trenching and hidong the fiber is a horroble idea just like someone said here earlier it will cost them big later on. | |
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 MrMasterRum Connoisseur
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MrMaster
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2013-Apr-3 2:22 pm
It's done this way by meThis is how they are laying fiber in the Virgin Islands. It's a pain when you get your wheel stuck in the groove of the trench because they did a crappy repair job. | |
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jaa
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2013-Apr-3 6:07 pm
Re: It's done this way by mesaid by MrMaster:This is how they are laying fiber in the Virgin Islands. It's a pain when you get your wheel stuck in the groove of the trench because they did a crappy repair job.
Do you have much shifting of the roads with freezing and thawing? | |
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MrMaster
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2013-Apr-3 6:14 pm
Re: It's done this way by mesaid by jaa:said by MrMaster:This is how they are laying fiber in the Virgin Islands. It's a pain when you get your wheel stuck in the groove of the trench because they did a crappy repair job.
Do you have much shifting of the roads with freezing and thawing? funny person. | |
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chamsam
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2013-Apr-3 3:31 pm
yikesthis is a great technology that will lower costs but i can't think of a worse place to install it in the US than NYC. it's more fitting in areas that are not prone to constant excavation activities. | |
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i1me2ao
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2013-Apr-3 4:52 pm
if i recallthis used to be called split sticking in the past and what contractors did when they got paid by foot to install cable. | |
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BiggA
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BiggA
Premium Member
2013-Apr-3 8:06 pm
Cheaping outThis looks like a terrible way. This stuff should be buried below the frost line in PVC conduit that's laid in a bed of crushed stone. That way it will still be there, and be intact for decades into the future. | |
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15444104 (banned)
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2013-Apr-3 9:51 pm
MBA Follies!quote:
Nothing most public companies are already doing: get the short term gains to satisfy stockholders and let the future worry about sustainability.
Exactly. This is what happens when you fill the critical top management and executive positions with MBAs that have been trained to only care about the next quarter and the next penny of profit they can go waving in the face of equally greedy shareholders. It's the implosion technique. | |
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TamaraB
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2013-Apr-4 9:47 pm
Dig we must for a greater NYI have lived and worked in this city all of my life. That's over 60 years; and in all that time, I have never seen a single street that has not been torn up one way or other many times a year. Brandy new re-paved streets are torn up as fast as they are paved. How long will this little trench, holding fiber cable last before some backhoe, snow plow, or pick ax tears it apart?
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