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united state | Re: TWC blows I couldn't agree more. I got FIOS about 2 weeks ago and love it! Verizon is hitting my area hard with door to door salesman, and i also see a Verizon truck in the area almost every day. IF they continue to expand in NYC then Time Warner may be in trouble. | |
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| | | Re: And You're point is?........ said by TWfan :
You guys are in competition, That's how it is
Not for long, bwahahahaha....
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1 edit | MSG/RSNs? So verizon doesn't have access to the MSG/RSN channels? How many channels is that, like 4 at most? What's Verizon's excuse for the other ~13 channels? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: MSG/RSNs? *yawn* Who cares? | |
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| | | | Re: MSG/RSNs? Real constructive...If you don't care, why did you read, and then comment on, this article? | |
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| Re: MSG/RSNs? said by lakerfan82:Real constructive...If you don't care, why did you read, and then comment on, this article? Cuz I can. 
Maybe I shouldn't have yawned. These endless threads about one provider or another are really quite amusing. Carry on.
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| said by lakerfan82:So verizon doesn't have access to the MSG/RSN channels? How many channels is that, like 4 at most? What's Verizon's excuse for the other ~13 channels? VZ's excuse is that they got caught sleeping behind the wheel for the 2nd time in 3 years and are currently out of channel capacity.
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| | | | Re: MSG/RSNs? If what you say is true, to me, that is a far bigger story than Verizon's fight with MSG. How is it possible that a FTTH provider has less QAM space available for HD than a Cable Company that is supporting broadband AND analog in that same space? Obviously, TW must be compressing the shit out of their HD channels, but that only accounts for some of the bandwidth... | |
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1 edit | Re: MSG/RSNs? SDV (switched digital video) allows cable ops the ability to broadcast some channels only when requested by customers. FIOS doesn't have it.
Also cable ops fit 3 HD channels in the space FIOS fits 2. It's not all HD, only ones that make sense in terms of bandwidth. When done correctly no extra compression is needed and pic quality is unaffected. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: MSG/RSNs? FiOS built out on 870mhz coax plant, from the demarcation point where fiber ENDS to your TV. It's full. Verizon limited next gen tech to last gen constraints. IPTV (a form of SDV) can solve it, but questions arise to backwards compatibility as FiOS is a CableCard mandated operator. Upgrading all STB's to 1ghz tuners is another temporary fix. Using variable bit rate mux is yet another, as null bits to fill 3mhz of space for 720p video fills up a network quickly (ABC, ESPN, etc).
FiOS has been mismanaged from the beginning. Fiber to the home: cool, from the point on was a failure. At least the guide and software was fixed early, the bandwidth should have been as well.
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1 edit | Re: MSG/RSNs? Just wait a few more months until IPTV is deployed. It's already in the works.
Verizon recently tested 3 HD to 1 QAM in Texas with several (IMO) low-bandwidth channels. The results were awful and they quickly reverted it, so there goes the whole "extra compression is fine" thing you're suggesting.
If FiOS were mismanaged, it would turn out looking out more like U-verse. Now that's mismanagement. FTTN has dug AT&T into a deeper hole than they can get out of right now.
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| No MSG For You Will never happen on FIOS, ever, MSG was spun of and is legally a separate company which then excludes it from the regulatory terrestrial loop-pole stuff
People can post a thousand times about similar shareholders and other things, don't mean squat, when CV spun off MSG, they make it air tight legally and in the courts, that's all that matters | |
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Old Bethpage, NY | Wasted Bandwidth on VZ Verizon has so much waste in there system, that's why they are out of space. There's like 2 dozen empty public access channels. On top of that I thought the FCC had rules that a channel provider aka MSG had to competitively offer there channels to every available provider? | |
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1 edit | Re: Wasted Bandwidth on VZ The public access channels are required by the FCC and they only take up 1-2 QAMs. MSG uses a loophole in channel transmission laws to prevent them from being forced to provide it to FiOS.
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MSG is a private company not owned by a cable company, so there is NO FCC rule that applies to whom they choose to sell to, just like every other sport franchise ( NFL , Hockey ect )
The Looppole is for when a cable company owns the content provider which CV use to own MSG, but no longer does | |
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| | | | | Re: Wasted Bandwidth on VZ Let's assume for a moment that you're correct.
What if Coca-Cola sold to Pathmark, Shop-Rite, and A&P but refused to sell to Acme? You can't decide who you get to sell to in an open market unless you choose to have one exclusive arrangement.
MSG and MSG+ HD channels can no longer be considered exclusives.
While you may be correct about the FCC not having a say anymore (and I'm not so sure you are), I believe that MSG now has less legal footing than they did before to deny any carrier the right to purchase the channels. | |
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| | I think this is excellent. Forces Verizon to pick up the pace and make the changes to get HD space available again. | |
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| Re: I think this is excellent. They're already working on it. Insiders on the FiOS forum have said IPTV should be active by the end of the year and the Twitter rep (@FiOSTV) is being unusually... enthusiastic about "adding network capacity".
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| | | Re: Hello MSG HD , TWC Sept 14 That's great, Billy. Just don't come crying back to Verizon when TWC doesn't give you the quality you expect.
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| | As long as.. The FCC makes all programming contracts non-exclusive this is fine.
Everyone should be able to buy the NFL Sunday ticket then?
Why have these bozos let that continue all this time?
It's un-american to pick and choose which exclusive contract gets to be legal and which does not.
Our government is a pathetic mess of payoffs and back door deal making. | |
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| | | Re: As long as.. Exclusive is fine. MSG and MSG+ HD feeds are not exclusive. They're available on all cable systems and even on DirecTV.
Additionally, MSG and MSG+ are local interest channels. Sunday Ticket is an out of market package which causes no loss of programming to local markets. | |
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