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Verizon To Announce Pre At CES?
For the three of you who still care...
by Karl Bode 11:48AM Tuesday Dec 29 2009
Rumors and leaks (and hell, even Twitter comments from Verizon) have made it clear that the Palm Pre is coming to Verizon eventually -- the question has always been when. With a new Wi-Fi Interoperability certificate popping up for the Pre, Engadget connects the dots and makes the assumption that Verzion could announce the phone at CES in a week. The question really is: does anybody care at this point? The Pre has essentially been upstaged by the Droid, and even the Droid looks like it may soon be upstaged by the and the looming Google phone. Still, a broader audience may be just what the Pre needs...

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nokiatech

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Could be just what the Pre needs

WebOS is simply the best smartphone OS ever written. What it is sorely lacking is 3rd party app support which could come after adding a user base as large as big red.

adisor19

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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

said by nokiatech:

WebOS is simply the best smartphone OS ever written. What it is sorely lacking is 3rd party app support which could come after adding a user base as large as big red.
Agreed. Android is still too rough around the edges. It's deemed more as a replacement for Winmo rather then the iPhone. WebOS on the other hand, is VERY user friendly and so far it's still the best contender to the iPhone killer moniker. The question is : will Palm have enough $$$ and time to fully develop WebOS to properly support third party apps ?

Adi
beaups

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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

WebOS "COULD" be the best smartphone OS ever written. It's not finished (neither is android). There are some serious flaws that need worked out, like GPU???

The big issue with WebOS is it's for Palm devices only. Android will get huge marketshare advantages, and consequently developer support, as it is being deployed across so many devices from different manufacturers. This could've been an issue with iphoneOS had it not been such a runaway success on it's single device....not to mention it also runs on ipod touch which is also quite widely deployed.

When you look at the webos appstore, we all know it's small. Why wouldn't it be? With so few devices deployed, what developer is going to invest the time in it when Android and iphoneos have such a drastically larger user base?

en102
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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

The biggest issue with palm's web OS is the handset itself. Cheap feel, and poor keypad. My treo 800w has a much better keypad. As a high end device, it needs a better design, even if the OS is good. Devices like the Tilt2 are great, but with a poor OS

FFH5
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said by beaups:

WebOS "COULD" be the best smartphone OS ever written. It's not finished (neither is android). There are some serious flaws that need worked out, like GPU???
Latest update 1.3.5 included system code to support the GPU. Now it waits on the apps to start writing to that and using it to increase speed and responsiveness drastically.

Couple things it still needs is Flash support(coming this qtr); voice dialing; video recording.
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DrModem
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said by adisor19:

WebOS on the other hand, is VERY user friendly and so far it's still the best contender to the iPhone killer moniker.
There won't be an "iPhone killer" until people start making other innovative phones and phone OSes instead of just playing follow the leader with the iPhone, which is what they are doing now.

SteveLV702
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said by nokiatech:

WebOS is simply the best smartphone OS ever written. What it is sorely lacking is 3rd party app support which could come after adding a user base as large as big red.
I wouldn't know can't find a Sprint store with a working model to try.. every store I go to just has dummy phones...

MartyD

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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

You must not be in a large metro area. I have used Sprint's each time I go into their store.

SteveLV702
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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

said by MartyD :

You must not be in a large metro area. I have used Sprint's each time I go into their store.
Pretty sure Las Vegas, Nevada is a large metro area... our cop cars even say Metropolitan Police

FFH5
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said by nokiatech:

WebOS is simply the best smartphone OS ever written. What it is sorely lacking is 3rd party app support which could come after adding a user base as large as big red.
There are almost 1000 apps for sale now on the Pre app store. Not near Android or iPhone. But every app that 99% of users would care about is there now. After a couple thousand apps, there is nothing more worthwhile unless you care about 100 or 200 different versions of the same stupid apps.
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nokiatech

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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

VNC
RDP
VPN

The single biggest three things anyone working anything IT related would want are still completely absent.

en102
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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

SSH with port forwarding available ?
wildcat man

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With all due respect, I disagree. No Kindle app (a favorite on my iPhone). No B&N app. No Pizza Hut app (which saves me money on every Pizza I buy). No RedLaser app (best comparison shopping app). No Google Latitude. No Google Earth. No AOL Instant Messenger. No Rhapsody. So no - Pre isn't close - yet.

One thing to say about the Pre - the apps they have are very well done (Weather, Pandora). I have listened to both Pandora on the iPhone and Pandora on the Pre and Sprint must be opening up the pipe a bit more because it sounds great through my car speakers (and drive 1.3 GB of usage in Nov).
nokiatech

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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

said by wildcat man:

With all due respect, I disagree. No Kindle app (a favorite on my iPhone). No B&N app. No Pizza Hut app (which saves me money on every Pizza I buy). No RedLaser app (best comparison shopping app). No Google Latitude. No Google Earth. No AOL Instant Messenger. No Rhapsody. So no - Pre isn't close - yet.

One thing to say about the Pre - the apps they have are very well done (Weather, Pandora). I have listened to both Pandora on the iPhone and Pandora on the Pre and Sprint must be opening up the pipe a bit more because it sounds great through my car speakers (and drive 1.3 GB of usage in Nov).
About half the things you've named are available actually.

1.3.5 did release today which I read was supposed to do something for developers wanting to access the built in GPU.
wildcat man

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Re: Could be just what the Pre needs

If so, pls name where they are. Either the Palm search function isn't working correctly, or you are thinking that they should be there but aren't. I track daily apps across all of the operating systems and can assure you that all of the applications described in my post are not available as of today. No Kindle, no Barnes & Noble (both would be listed under "Books" but I can get multiple versions of spiritual texts). Google Altitude should be listed under "Navigation" apps and they are not there. No Pizza Hut app. No AOL instant messenger. No Rhapsody (although I like Pandora). I'll add that there's no Four Square social networking app which is a real competitor to Facebook.

I'll reiterate - just show me where they are, and I'll back off. But half available is a pipe dream. It's a wish, not reality.

PS - I downloaded 1.3.5 and it's a marked improvement.

aztecnology
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said by nokiatech:

WebOS is simply the best smartphone OS ever written. What it is sorely lacking is 3rd party app support which could come after adding a user base as large as big red.
It's so great they have to give the phones away so people will use them...
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nokiatech

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You'll "back off?" You assume I care that much and this is a contest.

AIM is built in, there is an app similar to redlaser. Lattitude works using the web browser (kinda hackjob atm) yes no rhapsody but you do get accuradio which is a step above both.

Too bad there is no attitude adjustment app though. If you'll read you'll see I was making the same point you are about lack of apps.
foo

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Chicago, IL

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nope

.."The question really is: does anybody care at this point? .."

Nope. Don't really give a -you-know-what.
malikeye

join:2002-09-02
Raleigh, NC

Palm needs to release newer handsets in order to compete...

They really need to add another "real" handset to their lineup. Serious phone users will not use a Pixie or whatever it is, and the slider concept is flawed. As in, all things that move, will eventually wear out. Google "oreo effect" for some pretty insane videos about it. We'll see how well the Droid does with it's slider.

The main thing going for Android is the handset availability. There are at least 4-5 majorly nice phones out for Android, and with the Snapdragon chip coming out soon, holy moly... This is gonna be an even bigger year for Android, I predict.

Palm needs to step things up a bit. They have always been slow to deliver. Although, they have been fixing the OS at somewhat of a steady pace this time around. The OS is nice looking, I haven't used it extensively. I know one person that has one, and she loves it.

I didn't buy a Pre, because the hardware was very stale when I was in the market. With Android, the phone I just got a month a go, it's already outdated. Which is fine, I accept that, it just means I'm gonna have a much nicer phone when I want to upgrade and not be stuck in Palm's slow release cycle.

(I upgraded from a Treo 755p, which was pretty slick in it's time, 4+ years ago; and that is/was still one of their 'newer' phones. The Centro is the same exact phone with a smaller screen, essentially )

MxxCon

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Unjust

Karl, you are unjustly harsh toward Palm.
Yes, Android might have a bigger marketing push behind it whan Pre, but still WebOS is an awesome device.
i think the way it handles multi-tasking applications is superior to any other platform, even windows mobile.

Personally, i really want Palm to succeed with WebOS(even though i'm stuck with windows mobile for the next 2 years). If not from technological point of view of WebOS then from purely sentimental.
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said by MxxCon:

Karl, you are unjustly harsh toward Palm.
Yes, Android might have a bigger marketing push behind it whan Pre, but still WebOS is an awesome device.
i think the way it handles multi-tasking applications is superior to any other platform, even windows mobile.

Personally, i really want Palm to succeed with WebOS(even though i'm stuck with windows mobile for the next 2 years). If not from technological point of view of WebOS then from purely sentimental.
What do you mean "stuck with Win Mo for the next 2 years"?
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MxxCon

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Re: Unjust

signed up for a new 2year contract

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Re: Unjust

said by MxxCon:

signed up for a new 2year contract
You do know you can break it, right?
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MxxCon

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Re: Unjust

i have no intention of breaking my SERO contract

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WebOS doesn't have a future

Palm was too little, too late. The future is Android and although it may still be a little rough around the edges for some, Android 2.0 is where it really starts to shine and it's only gonna get better. Pick up a Droid and you'll see what I"m talking about.

I'll give credit where credit is due and yes WebOS is innovative in it's own right but Palm was late to the game. Don't look for Big Red to promote the Pre like they did the Droid either. There is just no momentum for the Pre. It's ugly anyway, feels like cheap plastic, tacky keyboard with small crunched up keys. Yuck! If you're gonna slap on a keyboard on a phone, it should be landscape.

What does the Android market have now? 10,000+ apps? WebOS a couple hundred? Please. Karl is right, nobody cares. NEXT! When does the Nexus One come out?

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Re: WebOS doesn't have a future

said by NJBoricua75:

What does the Android market have now? 10,000+ apps? WebOS a couple hundred? Please. Karl is right, nobody cares. NEXT! When does the Nexus One come out?
Well it seems like Verizon cares. In any event....WebOS has been available to consumers for about 6 months or so. There are ~1000 apps in the official Palm App Catalog and like ~ 400 or so homebrew apps.

App pissing contest aside, WebOS really is a joy to use, makes the other "smartphone" OS's out there seem totally unrefined in comparison.

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said by NJBoricua75:

What does the Android market have now? 10,000+ apps? WebOS a couple hundred?
App count is now just short of 1,000.

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said by NJBoricua75:

What does the Android market have now? 10,000+ apps? WebOS a couple hundred? Please. Karl is right, nobody cares. NEXT! When does the Nexus One come out?
Android app count was officially at 16k last count.

If Palm has 16k apps 14 months after the phone was released, it should be a major contender. It's been out for 6 months and has 15k more apps to grow...
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Although I'm sure this will be very welcome news for a lot of people, I agree with the statement above that this is way too little, way too late. Keep in mind this is being said by someone who purchased a launch day Pre and returned it within two days, then purchased another Pre four months after launch to see if any of the OS's deficiencies had been addressed. The second time around I actually forced myself to keep the Pre for about a month before ditching it in favor of the Hero.

I'll be the first to agree that webOS has oodles of potential, but Palm has done what I feel is a mind numbingly awful job of making the system live up to that potential. I really truly wanted the webOS + Pre platform to succeed but in the end I just got too impatient waiting for the much needed system updates that Palm doesn't seem terribly motivated to provide.

Anyone interested in hearing more about why I switched is welcome to read about the decision on my blog:

»tatethatcher.com/wp/archives/363

In that article I do my best to give a fair and impartial breakdown of what I feel works well in webOS, and what doesn't.

For those of you that are sticking with your Pre, I truly hope your patience is rewarded.

- Tate

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A Droid owner calling another phone "ugly"???? Are u kidding me????

SteveWo

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One more vote for a Verizon Palm PRE

I can't move from Verizon and need to upgrade. I've already sold too much of my soul to Google, so the Android is out.

Having that much information in one place is just a bad idea for everyone except Google. Look what a Microsoft monopoly did to PC security, costs, and reliability. How can anyone really think Google will be any different??

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Pre User Here ( & Longtime Palm user)

My wife and I both got the Pre back in August (due to a combination of things I didn't get it when it launched, and I'm kinda glad I held out). I have, what most would consider a revised hardware version. Neither of ours have an 'oreo' to them, mine has it a little, her's is just barely noticeable. Battery issues were fixed, and all the kinda fun stuff.

Personally, I love it! I had it 'hacked' with homebrew apps, and Terminal from WebOS-Internals.org. Recently I installed PreWare on mine and I do like it alot. Hers is still vanilla.

For Sprint, I would say most of the service I've gotten from them has been great. During the initial turnup, there was some issue, and support was at least non-native english, but still understandable. Since then, the few times I've had to call into sprint, I've always gotten an english speaking person, and they are very polite and pleasant to work with.

Their service on the other hand... where we live, Sucks. When we visit the parents who are near (different) major cities, service is great. But where we spend the bulk of our time, a lot of calls end up right to Voicemail, and no EVDO.

Verizon however does have EVDO in the area, and it is tempting to see what the cost would be to switch over to Verizon when it's released. I got a feeling the initial hardware cost, plus monthly cost would be too high, so I doubt we'll switch right away, but it's a thought.

Overall, love what they done with the phones and WebOS, although it's still rough around the edges. But hey, the wife doesn't complain much, so they must have done something right

prelover

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Pre is a great phone

I'm tired of hearing the media constantly talk about Android and the iphone. The Pre OS is way ahead of the other two and they keep making it better all the time. I think Palm should give a bunch of them away to the media when it hits Verizon so they can actually give it a try. I think they would be impressed.