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So Cal | Re: Won't raise your rates because they took away newsgroup svc Good. | |
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ajc
aka IGnatius T Foobar
join:2000-05-06
Mount Kisco, NY
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join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA | Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... | |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. There is plenty of good on usenet. It all becomes a question of costs/benefits, since probably only 2% of internet users actually know what usenet is..... and probably only half of them actually using it, it's just a money pit for most ISP's.
No one is leaving ISP's (anymore) due to the lack of usenet, because most of them have actually already cut it.
All the TEXT groups you can get through a variety of free usenet servers and Google groups.... and for BINARIES you can get a 3d party subscription, which can cost you as little as $3 for a pre-paid block of data if all you want is a few non-warez binaries now and then.
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Opticwonders
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united state | Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. I disagree. I love my Thundernews usenet subscription. And at about $20 a month, you can't go wrong. | |
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join:2004-07-21
Eugene, OR | Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. Newsgroups does suck . Let just it ignore it maybe it will go away. The weather was beautiful today, how about those bears. | |
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richdelb
Go Hawks Go
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join:2003-01-22
Algonquin, IL | Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. Yea, nothing on those Usenet inter-tubes at all. Hey, was that a balloon I just saw go by... It looked JUST like Elvis. | |
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join:2009-04-14
New York, NY | I'll go you one better. It doesn't even exist!
Move along noobs, nothing to see there. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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| said by jaminus  :Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... Mad Men S03E03 an hour after it airs at 30Mb/s. Totally useless.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
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| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. said by sporkme :said by jaminus :Yeah, you tell 'em, there's nothing good on Usenet. Not worth anybody paying any attention to it whatsoever... Mad Men S03E03 an hour after it airs at 30Mb/s. Totally useless. sshhhhh. there's nothing to see on usenet.
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Paxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA | Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it?
Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! | |
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Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA
·Comcast
| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. said by joebarnhart :Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it? Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! He would be against censorship if he advertises an uncensored bbs.
What's confusing about that? | |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| said by joebarnhart :Seem like an odd attitude from someone who has "uncensored BBS" in their tag. I'm confused, are you FOR censorship, or AGAINST it? Regardless, if anyone ever DOES post something significant on Usenet you'll miss it, FIOS-boy! "FIOS boys" can still READ all the usenet they want through a large variety of free usenet servers, and some of the free ones also allow posting.
Then there is Google groups, which allows you to search through all the TEXT usenet groups available.
Last but not least, one can purchase a paid account.
Poor people just wanting to read usenet and post messages... really aren't getting hurt by this.
Those who want to download lots of binaries though... might.
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manfmmd
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
clubs: | Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. OH NOOOOEZZZ, NOT THE PR0N AND WAREZ!!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
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Hanover, PA | Google doesn't carry alt.google-sucks, 0.verizon.flame and the greatest group free.boobs. | |
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Paxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA
| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. said by ajc :It's only censorship if someone's otherwise free speech is removed against their will. I am only asserting that the cost and effort of maintaining UseNet far exceeds any benefits it still delivers. In all seriousness, Usenet is important precisely because it is one of the few ways to get information out in a widespread manner while maintaining anonymity. Whistleblowers, political dissidents, and conservatives (just kidding) don't have many ways to protect their identity while exposing injustice and corruption.
So, yes, even though the channel is filled with a lot of chaff, it is worth protecting. It is quintessential "free speech" where anyone can say anything they want without fear of reprisal from governments. (Yes, sad to say, even ours.)
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ajc
aka IGnatius T Foobar
join:2000-05-06
Mount Kisco, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·ACE Innovative Net..
| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. There's very little doubt that the socialist regime currently in power in the US should not be trusted. They are one scary bunch of extremists.
For the publishing of dissident speech, though, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on a Usenet server operated by The Phone Company.
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. said by ajc :For the publishing of dissident speech, though, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on a Usenet server operated by The Phone Company. That vast majority of "Usenet servers" aren't operated by any phone company... | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by ajc :Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. No it's not. The spam portion relatively is minimal when you look at all traffic. Including binary groups, it's a multi-terabyte porn and warez/movie/music feed. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. said by cdru :said by ajc :Can't say I blame them. It's really just a giant multimegabyte spam feed these days anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing shut down globally. It isn't worth it. No it's not. The spam portion relatively is minimal when you look at all traffic. Including binary groups, it's a multi- terabyte porn and warez/movie/music feed. My NZB reader seems to insulate me from spam too... Amazing stuff.
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Amerika | Tell that to all the people kicking down $25/mo to Giganews. | |
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Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: It's time to shut down UseNet anyway. said by SuperJoker :Will they charge Me less for DSL? I doubt It. Did they really charge you extra for it? Doubt it. Usenet access has almost always been a value-added service when at the ISP level. Yes there was a significant cost for the ISP to maintain the usenet server(s), but on a per subscriber basis the charge was insignifant enough that it's cost was just part of doing business. It's not all that different from personal web space, you get some but you aren't really paying extra for it. | |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | It's the American way!! Charge more and give less!
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Z80
1 point 77
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Amerika | Usenet not exciting?!? Obviously they haven't seen sci.math | |
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ | Re: Usenet not exciting?!? You'd think they'd keep alt.cellular.verizon. Better support than their own web site. | |
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join:2002-06-23
Brook Park, OH
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| I'd sure hate to see Usenet go... ...even though I don't "surf" the newsgroups anymore these days unless it's a Google Groups search. I haven't posted to a Usenet group in ages. I hang out in website forums instead these days. I'd have to say that BBR has sort of replaced Usenet as far as my usage goes  .
Most of my usage nowadays is searches on Google Groups for help with stuff I'm working on at work (Powerbuilder, Sybase, Java, etc.) | |
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join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: I'd sure hate to see Usenet go... I use Usenet all of the time. I know there is a lot of warez and porn, but don't forget there are also 3000 plus Microsoft groups where a lot of techies help each other. Adobe also has 46 active groups and Linux has 425.
I like it because good Usenet software has a search capability so finding help about something like Excel compound interest for example is a breeze. | |
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Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
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| The Web killed Usenet What killed Usenet is the narcissistic Internet culture. The internet culture is not about sharing information in a communal setting, , but about being seen and self. It started with the personal web page advanced to the blogs and evolved into social media like twitter and Facebook.
To create a Usenet group one had to go though a laborious process of proposal, charter, and finally a vote. Why bother with Usenet guidelines when one could have gone to Tripod or Geocities and have their own webpage. Once people realize one can get on the net on their own, the number Usenet users decreased. | |
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dataice
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join:2002-10-27
Crisfield, MD
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| Verizon to Discontinue Newsgroups I personally keep a Giganews 10 gig $7.99 monthly account around on the rare occasion that I use usenet, but most people will not even miss it. My 61 year old father who has a 1Mbps entry level DSL account with Verizon did not even know what usenet was, much less that it was available to him at one time. | |
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join:2002-03-05
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join:2002-03-05
| its a trap! wait, I see what they are doing. You can get free tech support on usenet. Get rid of that and more people will sign up for their PREMUIM TECH SUPPORT CONVIENTLY BILLED TO Your credit card for the low low price of 14.99 us dollars a month. Who would want free when they could simply go deeper into debt! hooray! | |
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| SPIN correction, A notice to customers by Verizon informs them that the telco will be discontinuing newsgroup service as of September 30. "Newsgroups were initially developed as a text-based way to share information on the Internet," Verizon informs customers in the alert. (then it evolved into what people wanted, just like everything else)
"Today, demand for newsgroups is much lower, since most users have switched to more exciting ways of getting and sharing information via the Web, such as social networks, email and sites such as our Verizon Central Newsroom." (say WHAT? take away most of the groups, and people WILL switch to a pay newsserver, WHICH, by the way, are VERY much in demand, and have MANY thousands of users, and are doing quite well). it seems VERIZON is trying to put a spin on the situation, like people don't want to use newsgropus anymore!. | |
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Verizon To Discontinue Newsgroups September 30
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