  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 |  How long before 1st story of home taken over by hacker?
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: 4Home is company doing work for Verizon so they're just reselling 4home?
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| |  tschmidtPremium,MVM
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Milford, NH
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| said by Romney2012:4Home is company doing work for Verizon:
Thanks for the links. From their splash page they are now part of Motorola. I think Verizon uses a lot of Moto gear so that relationship makes sense.
I'm on the fence with this kind of stuff. For less technical folks I think one stop shopping makes a lot of sense. On the other hand having the gatekeeper to the Internet on-ramp also being in control of home automation scares the bejesus out of me.
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | security / liability ? Somehow, I doubt that I'm the only one concerned here...
Lettng VZ manage your house. I wonder how long it will be before
a) Someone hacks in
b) Someone 'watches' your security cam / sniffs your content
c) Automation 'breaks' and does the opposite of what it is supposed to (unlocks your doors, runs the heat during the summer/daytime
d) Big brother 'sells' your habits and general information (when you leave/come home, what you watch, your energy consumption, etc.)
I'm sure that the dataminers are drooling at the prospects
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| | | Re: security / liability ? said by en102:Somehow, I doubt that I'm the only one concerned here...
Lettng VZ manage your house. I wonder how long it will be before
a) Someone hacks in
b) Someone 'watches' your security cam / sniffs your content
c) Automation 'breaks' and does the opposite of what it is supposed to (unlocks your doors, runs the heat during the summer/daytime
d) Big brother 'sells' your habits and general information (when you leave/come home, what you watch, your energy consumption, etc.)
I'm sure that the dataminers are drooling at the prospects
All liability will be the homeowners problem. No way in hell will Verizon take any responsibility for something going wrong. And that is enough for me not to use their system. | |
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| | | I'm sure Verizon will ensure that their home automation systems will never expose them to liability. i.e. The law will be adjusted to shield them from spying/child porn/breach of client-attorney privledge/etc instead if possibly dealing with the fact that this data will be seizable under a subpoena and other privacy issues. ex. When will the police/courts be able to seize control of the home automation system? Is data Verizon collects admissible evidence with a warrant?
Regarding each of these:
A: I don't trust internet connected home automation systems.
B: My webcams are covered with electrical tape between Skype sessions. No way I'd ever place a surveillance camera in my home.
C: Well with automation you could just correct the error by issuing another command. But regarding remotely accessible locks, that's scary.
D: Don't companies already have this? Cell phone companies can track which tower your phone is associated with. TV providers know exactly how many people are watching a channel. Power companies count KWh for billing.
I bet advertisers are gonna love this. Imagine:
...software that analyzes "security" camera footage to see how many people actually watch tv commercials
...knowing what appliances/ electronics you use the most
...tv and internet ads tailored based on mined data
...advertisements tailored based on who's home (cell phone geolocation data and which room's lights are on) | |
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Venice, CA
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| Interesting Looks interesting.
I already have an internet security camera system and an remote energy monitor (TED 5000) connected to Google Power Meter, so the most interesting point is to actually be able to remotely control lights and appliances, for example. I would definitely be interested in something like this.
In a couple of years, all new appliances (fridge, AC, heater, washing machine, etc) will hopefully be TCP/IP enabled to make things even easier.
I wonder how comprehensive the energy monitor is. For example would it support net metering? | |
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join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Interesting You can already control most appliances (etc) remotely using X-10 modules. After you have the modules in place you just need to access your computer to make the adjustments. | |
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join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Interesting If you have enough noise on the the line that x-10 is having real problems, then that same noise is probably causing other problems as well. Incandescent bulbs with short life spans is a big sign that there are such issues but it will also shorten the life of any equipment that has electronics in it (virtually everything these days). Putting a whole house filter on the main line IS expensive in the short term but is very economical in the long term. That same filter will also take care of most of the other short comings, as it blocks external signals and prevents your signals from going beyond the house. | |
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1 edit | said by SYNACK:In a couple of years, all new appliances (fridge, AC, heater, washing machine, etc) will hopefully be TCP/IP enabled to make things even easier. Agree. Residential energy management will not be truly useful until White Goods are networkable. Hopefully some widely accepted wireless standard like ZigBee.
To be useful smart White Goods need to be coupled with time-of-day energy charges. A side benefit of smart load management will be better emergency backup since peak load management will be easier. | |
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| | DonLibesPremium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19 | Re: Interesting I have an internet thermostat (administered by my local electric company, pepco.com) using Zigbee and the service is hopeless unreliable. It is impossible to get adequate support from the electric company. The representatives frequently contradict each other (or themselves), promised features don't work or are suddenly unpromised. Servers are undependable. (Down both during Thanksgiving and Xmas when I had guests and needed to have control.) And the interfaces are remarkably poor. For instance, there's no direct way to know if it's even connected. Everything is very indirect, requiring waits of several minutes. And there's no feedback whatsoever through the web. Definitely not ready for prime time and yet has been sold to customers for 6 months already. | |
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| Re: Interesting said by DonLibes:I have an internet thermostat (administered by my local electric company, pepco.com) using Zigbee and the service is hopeless unreliable. I'm not a fan of the cloud service model. I'm too anal and want to control what happens in my house.
My ideal system would be to obtain real-time forecast pricing from the utility. Run a small server (probably part of some other device) and have appliances query the server. The homeowner would set rules in the server and it in turn would tell individual appliances when to start. For example if house was at near peak draw, or there is low cost evening energy rate washer and dryer would be told to wait. Whereas the water pump would be allowed to run anytime. That way the energy management system would operate even during emergencies when communications is down and by loading a different set of rules would be able to manage emergency generator load.
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join:2001-04-13
Havertown, PA | If it's as reliable as Remote DVR... this ought to be fun...  | |
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pnolte
join:1999-10-21
Chino, CA | They will never get it right I cannot even access my set top boxes 90% of the time to record a show. Do you think I can trust Verizon to access my home air conditioner to turn off the heat? | |
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| | yeah right How long before verizon shuts down everything when you dont pay your bill ? | |
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|  mikepdDiscoveryPremium,MVM
join:2000-10-26
New Port Richey, FL
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| Re: yeah right said by majortom1029:How long before verizon shuts down everything when you dont pay your bill ?
1 month after OOL shuts off your cable for not paying their latest rate increase.
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| And the monthly costs?? They are not going to provide this service for free. Maybe $10 for the service plus an extra $ for each door or switch? And imagine the fun if something goes wrong and your appliances will not work or your lights won't turn on, or the security camera forwards video of you in your bedroom to the FBI. | |
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| | Manbe.. The old VERIZON ad campaign of "Can you hear me now?" should be changed to "Can you Fear me now?" | |
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| | | Re: Manbe.. Like the man said - you can do it yourself. What would free up most people is having the scutwork done.
We are going to wind up brainless slaves to robots. All the stuff that MS and now Verizon want to do might take brains and will leave the mindless stuff like picking up after the dog and dumping the cat box to humans.
I'd rather have the picture the other way around. | |
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| | not likely Based on past experience with VZ and their software (excluding the very competent people in the FiOS network division) chances of me increasing my already incredible monthly bill for more VZ gadgeteria is between zero and none. X-10 works fine if you apply some selective filtering to devices with switching power supplies (like computers & esp. laptops). | |
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ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA | Would love an option I'm stuck with AT&T in Georgia, don't have any choice for any other Telco provider in this "free market". I sure wish Verizon was available as a choice for my wired telecom. | |
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join:2007-10-11
Bel Air, MD | Not Shocked. Natural Progression As the title says, not shocked by this at all. The whole year, I knew this was coming. Especially after finding out about Time Warner doing a similar service in NY State (only one market though).
Vz has the clout to do this very well. The only question is of security and hackability. If I had access to this, I would certainly give it a try. But by no means would this replace common sense and maybe equiping a firearm in my residence. | |
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| | FIOS? where? Gosh come on Verizon stop your marketing games and just build the damn fiber to the people that want it. Seems that everyone I speak to wants it but cant get it unless they live in the rich part of town or the burbs. Why VZ can't see the forest cuz the trees are in the way?
VERIZON! JUST ROLL THE FIBER ALREADY!!! | |
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Will teleco be up to their old Bull Feces!
How long will it take for Verizon to allow warrant less snooping by the government on subscribers activities in their homes. They did not seem to have much concern about violating the Constitution by allowing warrant less wire taps in the past.
