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| Capacity Problem It was only a matter of time until Verizon put a strain on their network by offering 20mb and 50mb packages to people. And most of the people on Fios are power users just like all of us on this forum. You would think though that Verizon's network, or UUNet, would have more than enough capacity for this but it obviously does not.
They might have enough capacity on their network but they may be putting too much traffic on their peering points also. Hopefully they get some more bandwidth so people can sign up for the the best internet service out there, FIOS. 
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 |  JulioBachatero y Que?Premium
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kudos:1 | Re: Capacity Problem Article is about their DSL service, not FIOS.
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1 edit | Re: Capacity Problem said by Julio:Article is about their DSL service, not FIOS. In his defense, the dslreports snippet doesn't even mention DSL, and DOES mention 'unlimited capacity'. I can see where he would insinuate from the article snippet that this was related to Fios. I'm not saying Fios is unlimited either. Just saying that it's a poorly worded snippet.
Not saying that he shouln't have read the article, but based on what is posted as a story here, it insinuates that it's Fios. | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | Did you read the news item? It refers only to DSL service over copper. Not Fios, not voice services. And the low discounted prices they offered for DSL created more demand than they could handle. They can't add R/T's fast enough to satisfy the demand. They should raise DSL rates and stop the intro pkgs for DSL until they can deploy more infrastructure or rollout Fios in the affected areas.
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| Re: Capacity Problem said by Romney2012:.... They should raise DSL rates and stop the intro pkgs for DSL .... but that would play against the current meme of "robust competition" and "falling prices" for broadband access. They don't want to disrupt that meme until they get their mergers passed and can be sure network neutrality won't be legislated.
What you suggest they do is exactly what is supposed to happen in a free market: increased demand + limited supply = higher prices.
It's very telling, to me, that verizon is not doing that. | |
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| | | | | Re: Capacity Problem If you have too much demand for something then your prices are too low.
If you do not have enough demand for something then your prices are too high.
That is true of every service and every product on the market regardless of whether it is a 3 cent piece of candy or a $200,000 sports car. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Capacity Problem said by Skippy25:If you have too much demand for something then your prices are too low. If you do not have enough demand for something then your prices are too high. That is true of every service and every product on the market regardless of whether it is a 3 cent piece of candy or a $200,000 sports car. What a laughable idea, seriously - you haven't heard about something that selling like hotcake because it is reasonably priced?
Your recipe suggests not to invest more but curb up the prices - what a clueless idea...
This kind of outdated "profit-only" idiocy - in which your idea is originated - had been proven flase and stupid: if you charge less but have much bigger market penetration then you'll make more money and and lot less effected by churning rate (which will be also lower).
Of course, you have to make sure you don't offer more than you can serve - it's a gradual work, you have to be able to keep up with the pace... | |
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1 edit | Re: Capacity Problem Did you not read the article? They're at capacity and can't increase market penetration. That's the problem and the poster is correct...they're at capacity because the product was 'too cheap' economically speaking. It's not rocket science, it's supply and demand. Verizon dropped the price and demand outstripped supply. Now Verizon is stuck in this market until they either raise prices or can provide increased supply. And both Verizon and consumers are screwed. Verizon is denying itself that additional revenue and new customers can't get Verizon service at any price. | |
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| | | | Not talking about RT's either, there are very few in NYC if any at all. CO's are in close enough vicinity to most subscibers in NY, even queens. We're talking about CO equipment getting maxed out. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Capacity Problem said by ITALIAN926:Not talking about RT's either, there are very few in NYC if any at all. CO's are in close enough vicinity to most subscibers in NY, even queens. We're talking about CO equipment getting maxed out. RTs and ONUs getting maxed out is one thing (it's happened to me before here in BellSouth-land...I got stuck in "pending facilities" for seven months when an RT ran out of ports), but running out of CO ports is ridiculous.
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| Re: Capacity Problem Actually its not ridiculous, those things take up a considerable amount of space. To add more, renovations have to be done and room must be made to add more equipment. The problem is, they need to keep space open for their FiOS equipment when they get it in that particular CO. | |
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
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1 edit | The point being... 1. Verizon's marketing effort is working better than expected.
2. Verizon underestimated their market.
3. The newspaper's editor was turned away for the time being.
So what's the point? That Verizon didn't get everything spot on the first time?
Give me a break! Who's perfect, anyway?
BTW, the article specifically mentioned DSL, not Fios. | |
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: The point being... said by birdfeedr:1. Verizon's marketing effort is working better than expected. 2. Verizon underestimated their market. 3. The newspaper's editor was turned away for the time being. So what's the point? That Verizon didn't get everything spot on the first time? Give me a break! Who's perfect, anyway? BTW, the article specifically mentioned DSL, not Fios. Too much demand for product. Isn't this every business owner's dream?
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1 edit |  Covad/Earthlink DSLAMS have space
In my CO I can get 8Mbps/1Mbps with unlimited calling for $69 since I am in distance. I shouldn't be posting this here cause now those DSLAMs will prolly get filled up FAST. The speed is faster than Time Warner Cable or Earthlink Cable and with unlimited calling to boot for a nice price..
I am lucky enough to have other options here as well so its not that big of an issue for me just yet. I can't comment as to bandwidth avaiability and to what actual speeds are however. But the DSLAMs are definitely available on a first come first serve basis and it seems like Covad for once has come out with the right product at the right time. But the question is after Verizon migrates to FIOS what will happen to Covad and how FAST Verizon will migrate over to FIOS. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Covad/Earthlink DSLAMS have space said by aj004:Covad/Earthlink has upgraded their equipment to ADSL2+ and the DSLAMs have space available. They were just upgraded recently in multiple COs. In my CO I can get 8Mbps/1Mbps with unlimited calling for $69 since I am in distance. I shouldn't be posting this here cause now those DSLAMs will prolly get filled up FAST. The speed is faster than Time Warner Cable or Earthlink Cable and with unlimited calling to boot for a nice price.. I am lucky enough to have other options here as well so its not that big of an issue for me just yet. I can't comment as to bandwidth avaiability and to what actual speeds are however. But the DSLAMs are definitely available on a first come first serve basis and it seems like Covad for once has come out with the right product at the right time. But the question is after Verizon migrates to FIOS what will happen to Covad and how FAST Verizon will migrate over to FIOS. Now how many "normal" joe six pack people know about Covad/Eathlink LPVOIP other than us geeks on DSLR? I dont think Covad will have a problem with capacity, plus earthlink needs to step up their advertising for LPVOIP. Also alot of NYCers arent in distence % wise to the CO for ADSL2 service and since Covad cant use RTs, its unavilable to alot of NYCers. | |
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join:2006-05-28
Forest Hills, NY | Re: Covad/Earthlink DSLAMS have space Actually the areas which don't have FIOS upgraded yet INCLUDE a huge chunk of users who DO QUALIFY for the ADSL2+ service.
Loop lengths in the densest parts are among the lowest.
Earthlink has mailed me advertisements before for Home Phone and internet service before this new service was available so I would expect them to mail out future advertisements for the new service.
In my case my internet options have now increased:
8000/1000 DSL with Voice is the maximum DSL offering now, will be interesting to see if they raise speed to closer to 24Mbps or if FIOS will come out anytime in the near future
20000/2000 Max cablemodem from one of 2 cable companies.
Other cable company is 8000/512k max
With the new offering, Time Warner Cable is NOW irrelevant for broadband internet since its speeds are non competitive.
Unfortunately as of now this offering does not appear to have shifted the competitive landscape from the other providers, but it does allow a nicely priced 8000/1000 Mbps service for those who need Internet AND unlimited calling.
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join:2001-08-24
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | I had that problem I had that problem over a year ago with dsl verizon. I have the 3megs download and 764 upload. In the morning the speeds where great. But as I got closer to mid day the speeds started to crawl to almost ISDN speeds.
Yup, I canceled and went with a more stable OOL. | |
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| Lysis
join:2005-03-30
Brooklyn, NY | Re: I had that problem same story here
i had same problem a year ago with verizon dsl. It was an amazing service at 1.5/384 but then they bumped everyone up to 3.0/384 and the service was completely unusable anywhere near peak hours - between dialup and isdn speeds, horrible latency (important if you play games online). After waiting a few months and after many nightmarish calls to customer service i had to pay $99 to cancel and change to another ISP. | |
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| | "fixed percentage above the average use" Ouch. If I did this at work I would be fired. I wonder what that percentage is? There are huge differences between "average" and peak in utilization of most consumer networks. How about planning for peak and upgrade when a "fixed percentage above the average use" is reached? | |
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| | | Re: "fixed percentage above the average use" said by Pictor Guy:Ouch. If I did this at work I would be fired. I wonder what that percentage is? There are huge differences between "average" and peak in utilization of most consumer networks. How about planning for peak and upgrade when a "fixed percentage above the average use" is reached? Welcome to the world of residential internet access. Where it is all a numbers game and why all speeds are 'up to...' and not always the max you can get.
And this is the norm across the board. Even with dialup. 
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1 edit | Re: "fixed percentage above the average use" said by MrChupacabra:And this is the norm across the board. Even with dialup. Not 100% true. | |
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| | | | | Re: "fixed percentage above the average use" For residential service it is. For business service that has a dedicated bandwidth amount that's a different story.
we're talking about residential service.
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1 edit | Meanwhile, in FIOS land... Few if any people in my area know what it is, much less want it. They're so off that I get 31000/9500 kbps on a 30/5 provisioned line.
I love FIOS.
Their DSL goes downhill every January when they release some new high speed cheapass package. Then I get 200/700 for a month instead of 2700/700. I'm glad I am off their DSL. | |
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| Re: Meanwhile, in FIOS land... wait a minute... you get 3100/9500 on a 30000/5000 package?
either your a business customer or one lucky sob :-P
either way... I think the caps should go higher for customers who get their video service and have those pesky NID devices hooked up to their internet service.. anywho..
simple answer to the dsl overdemand. STOP DSL ADVERTISING!!
the reason there are too many dsl orders is that they create demand from customers who want to invariably churn away from non triple play packages for a while to keep cable companies hungry to resell that "pick a price" triple play:
$89.85, $99.99, $110-120++
Otherwise a-la-carte, its $35, $50, $68 for the triple play components separately.. might as well go to competitors at those prices, and cable companies know this!
Besides, I'd love to see cablemodems do 10mbit upstream, hehe.. Verizon should light some more DARK FIBER on the backbone and RAMP speeds up further!!! Finish 100% of Nassu, Suffolk before moving on to queens! But-- to do this they have got to get down and dirty-- aka deploy fiber on the BACK YARD TELEPHONE POLES, which they have been reluctant to do IN THE EXTREME!!! | |
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Staten Island, NY | Re: Meanwhile, in FIOS land... Not 3100/9500, 31000/9500. It's the residential $55/month package.
It's really routing specific. I get 2 mbps to some places, 8 to others. I need multiple connections to anything to fullfill 9.5 mbps up, and tons of fulfill 3.85 MBps down.
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 Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT | I think that... I think everyone in the Verizon DSL forum here knew this but waiting to see if Verizon would finally come clean about this. | |
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|  hawk82
join:2001-04-26
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| Re: I think that... true.dat
I had a friend here in Maine that signed up for verizon dsl. It took more than 3 months to get it hooked up. They finally admitted in like month 2 that they were at capacity at the CO and he had to wait till they added additional dsl equipment.
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join:2002-08-23 | Old problem This happened in some of the SBC areas few months ago (or was it last year). SBC had to turn their new customers away till they upgraded the DSLAM. | |
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With the advent of FiOS, Verizon has the opportunity to do what has always been theorized by some folks like myself in the Labs and that is folding DSL into FiOS. That would mean providing fiber connectivity from the OLT to an ONT/MDU/ASAM device located either in a neigborhood or an apartment basement and then running the copper pair connections to the homes of individuals in that neigborhood or apartment building. This way Verizon could make use of the existing copper in peoples homes and provide DSL and VDSL at higher speeds because the "ASAM" would be closer to the person's home.
Well as with most things this is just a concept and I don't think Verizon would do this anyway, even though it comes from one of its own Lab personnel.
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Verizon Turns Customers Away in NYC Isn't this the AT&T solution? You still will need to bring fiber to the neighborhoods, so why not do it right and build the last 3000 ft or so? | |
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| tell me about it My address can't get ANY kind of DSL from verizon despite that it is within walking distance to the CO. The reason is lack of copper, and it has been like this around here since whenever the last pair was taken by a neighbor over a year ago.
And they don't bother doing anything about it, because they don't have to.
So I am on cable, even though I don't want cable TV so get raped by time warner on pricing.
Maybe I should change the site name to dslreports-but-no-vz-dsl-for-the-owner.com | |
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| | a VZ TECH let's get this straight capacity that the article is talking about is not a bandwidth issue, it's the lack of copper . Any CLEC dsl providers such as Covad, would be denied service at the time of arrival at the subs prem sometimes, or at times denied at the business office. | |
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| | mistake make no mistake, diverting resources away from the FIOS project to buildout DSL compatiible copper is a HUGE mistake. only when it is convenient, should dsl equipment be moved from central offices where no DSL lines exist and fios is avialable to areas where fios isn't available. fios is the core product of the future. besides, welcome to 1996-2001 all over again when complaining about dsl buildout.. at least something will be in place to leapfrog it in *MOST* nonrural areas in the next 8 years. | |
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