Verizon: We're Not Playing Around With This LTE Thing Ahead of schedule, LTE voice in 2011 Verizon really hasn't announced anything new in terms of their plans to deploy LTE wireless broadband service for a while, though for whatever reason this week there's a flood of stories focusing on Verizon LTE. We're not seeing much new info in these stories, which all repeat Verizon's plans to launch 5-12 Mbps (probably closer to 3-8 Mbps) service in 25-30 markets before the end of this year. There's still no word on caps or pricing, but Verizon Wireless CTO Tony Melone tells Network World they aren't playing around when it comes to getting LTE deployed nationally, rather quickly: We're excited about going out of the gate with LTE in 25 to 30 markets later this year, but we're also going to be aggressive in our plan to get to critical mass. Fifteen months after our initial launch we're planning to double the number of markets that have LTE. Then by the end of 2013 we're going to have our entire current 3G footprint covered by 4G. So in other words, everywhere we have 3G coverage today we'll have 4G coverage. And we'll also have places where we don't have 3G coverage today that we'll have 4G. And that last bit, as we've been saying, is Verizon's master stroke. The carrier is offloading all of their unwanted, copper-based rural networks (and regulatory headaches, and union workers, and debt) to smaller telcos. They'll then come back into these markets in several years with LTE service that should out-perform first generation DSL and win many of those same customers back again (shhh, don't tell Fairpoint, Frontier, or Hawaii Telcom). According to Melone, Verizon's actually ahead of where they thought they'd be, with LTE voice service on tap for 2011.
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New York, NY | Good news Can't wait to get a LTE blackberry hehe | |
|  | | | Re: Good news Hitting 25 markets can be easily accomplished in small towns. Put a few sites in 25 small towns and you can claim LTE has a great start in a couple dozen markets.
Com'on Verizon, tell us which markets are slated for LTE this year. Sprint/Clear has. | |
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| | well If Verzion prices were not so high. I would hop right on over. | |
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1 edit | Kudos to Verizon quote:
...The carrier is offloading all of their unwanted, copper-based rural networks (and regulatory headaches, and union workers, and debt) to smaller telcos. They'll then come back into these markets in several years with LTE service that should out-perform first generation DSL and win many of those same customers back again. According to Melone, Verizon's actually ahead of where they thought they'd be, with LTE voice service on tap for 2011.
That's one hell of a plan... | |
| | | | Re: Kudos to Verizon It's really fairly ingenious. Unless you're one of their trade partners, union employees, or rural DSL customer -- forced to choose between $50 1.5 Mbps DSL and $1 per GB over a 100MB cap (or whatever insane price point they adopt) LTE.... | |
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Reston, VA | Re: Kudos to Verizon It may also be another reason why Comcast is so giddy about updating their entire footprint, and not just exclusively within areas that currently feel the pressure of "competition". LTE would be a nice alternative to DOCSIS 1.1 performance. | |
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| Betcha LTE will have a 10-20GB cap with $1-$5 per GB overages. That said, I'm betting that an unlimited option will be available for those who can afford it (we're looking at $70 per month or so).
Also, Verizon has been conservative with their 3G speed claims; I'm guessing they actually outperform the 5-12/2-5 Mbps speeds. Probably 15/5 in uncongested areas, same as entry-level FiOS. | |
| | | | | | Re: Kudos to Verizon That will be a dream for me. VZW is the *only* (and I repeat, *only*) high speed ISP that reaches me. I pay $60 a month for an unlimited, grandfathered Alltel contract, which expires next August.
RevA reached me very quickly -- much faster than I thought -- but the tower I use lies along I-94 between Chicago and Detroit. I'm in a gorgeous little pocket of a huge state park and will never see cable or FIOS. I'm happy with VZW's service and being able to take my aircard on the road is wuuuuuunderful. If they were to sell routers at 12AM ala the iPod, I'd be waiting in line (as long as the cap isn't too restrictive. Screw 5G per month). | |
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Edgewater, FL | Re: Kudos to Verizon said by ShellMMG:...I pay $60 a month for an unlimited, grandfathered Alltel contract, which expires next August ... Screw 5G per month). You'll keep your grandfathered UNLIMITED as long as you don't change anything, like upgrade the modem. I have a grandfathered Verizon mobile broadband service now out of contract that is still truly unlimited. If you want to share the connection, I recommend one of the Cradlepoint 3G routers - I have the smallest CTR350 and it works like a dream! Goes everywhere and works everywhere on the Verizon network, love it. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Kudos to Verizon We have the same router and yes, it does work great. My service has been excellent (especially when compared to satellite) and I hope to keep it until LTE becomes available, IF the caps are reasonable. | |
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| Betcha LTE will have a 10-20GB cap with $1-$5 per GB overages. That said, I'm betting that an unlimited option will be available for those who can afford it (we're looking at $70 per month or so). I'd agree. Look what satellite gets away with charging to the captive audience they serve-- and for service with caps in the MEGABYTES -- that's frequently unreliable. I imagine these "places where 3G isn't available" are the markets Verizon wants to nab from satellite vendors. | |
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| Re: Kudos to Verizon I'd beg to differ. The "places 3G isn't available" are probably areas where the same towers can go farther due to use of 700MHz instead of 850MHz or 1900MHz on EvDO. Verizon uses a lot of 1900 for EvDO, so the coverage increase just due to lower frequency could be quite dramatic. | |
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| Re: Kudos to Verizon Well, keep in mind Verizon's working with a new FCC rule that expedites tower builds, and gives municipalities a month to respond to tower build requests...I imagine they really do believe that LTE is the wholesale answer to rural America. Whether this works in real world application, we'll see. | |
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1 edit | That's pretty much my point... It's a great plan for Verizon and its investors. Not so much for other folks...
Now, the article assumes those customers will be just fine with the higher price and bandwidth limits imposed by verizon on the LTE plans, otherwise they won't be getting them back no matter how fast the service is compared to DSL. | |
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Reston, VA | Re: Kudos to Verizon Keep in mind, for many potential customers, the cost would include wireless phone service. If it only costs an additional $40 to include LTE data performance, it might be more enticing to some. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Kudos to Verizon said by jmn1207:Keep in mind, for many potential customers, the cost would include wireless phone service. If it only costs an additional $40 to include LTE data performance, it might be more enticing to some. yeah until they realize the netflix streaming they did that month means they'll be getting a $3000 bill. | |
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| Re: Ahead of what schedule? said by Mike_:Talk is cheap. VZ says a whole lot, but its still vapor. 5 - 12 mbps is unfortunately low, and of course real world results will be far less. Would of thought they would aim higher, being as they are trying to beat everyone out (besides Clear). Wonder what upload will be. Top speed from AT&T's 3G at the moment is ~2.2Mb/s
Even if they only achieve half of their estimates out of the gate, the low end beats AT&T and their high end is more then triple the speed.
Right now mobile broadband has no speed limits, it's simply "as fast as it can be", but I think we're going to start seeing tiers as we do with fixed broadband. Ultimately just like their FIOS operation VZ will use annual speed-limit hikes to entice current users to re-up and extend contracts in order to lock in higher speeds... 2011 you sign up for the 6Mb/s tier... 2012 maybe they'll offer an 8Mb/s tier... who knows? | |
| | | | | Re: Ahead of what schedule? I get over 3mbps down on my iPhone on AT&T. Max speed is 7.2mbps
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| | Fios and Cell Towers Just curious, but does anyone know if they are hitting cell towers in their Fios buildout?? I figure they might do this but I was wondering if anyone has heard anything definative. | |
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1 edit | Re: Fios and Cell Towers Fiber to urban towers is relatively easy. But as the towers get further out, running fiber to them all starts getting expensive and also will take quite awhile. I see railroads getting quite a bit of money(as they already have in the past) charging for conduit along the rights of way of all their branch lines. But litigation will always intrude: »www.progress.org/optic01.htm During the last 20 years, about 85 million miles of fiber optic cable were installed in the United States, 33 million of them in just the last year. And until now, the landlords making profit from fiber optic have been railroad companies. They quietly lease their rights of way to telecom carriers. | |
| | | | | | Re: Fios and Cell Towers Rome was neither built, nor did it collapse in vomitorium gluttony in a day!  | |
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Chandler, AZ | said by ThrowDemsOut:Fiber to urban towers is relatively easy. But as the towers get further out, running fiber to them all starts getting expensive and also will take quite awhile. microwave-backhauled pops. set up a central distribution site with microwave gear for pos/sdh and run fiber from that. depending on spectrum, its very possible to push oc-1 speeds via microwave. split that out as you see fit.
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kudos:2 | Not GPON FiOS, but yes, they're running fiber to plenty of towers, as is every other telco and many cablecos. | |
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| shrewd & underhanded Yeah, great job VZ. Neglect the copper plant and the network backbone that supports it and then sell a crippled network to a small telco. The small telco, if they are able to avoid bankruptcy won't have the money to upgrade their services so that they can't compete when VZ deploys LTE in those areas. This way VZ doesn't have LTE compete against it's own DSL or FIOS. Meanwhile regulators say nothing about POTs customers being out of service for weeks at a time in the areas VZ still has landlines.
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| | | Confused? Are we talking about Verizon Wireless' footprint? Or Verizon's? Karl talks about Verizon's footprint, but quotes a Verizon Wireless guy. | |
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Lake Forest, CA | Re: Confused? for all intents and purposes Verizon Wireless = Verizon. | |
| | | | | Re: Confused? No. Verizon is a regional Bell Operating Company with state regulators. Verizon Wireless is a national cellular provider. One owns half of the other. But they are not the same. | |
| | | | | Sprint has no cap on their 4G plan that includes 3g@5gb and 60/month...
not that vzw price matches sprint but something to consider... | |
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Camden, TN | One problem with your theory And that last bit, as we've been saying, is Verizon's master stroke. The carrier is offloading all of their unwanted, copper-based rural networks (and regulatory headaches, and union workers, and debt) to smaller telcos. They'll then come back into these markets in several years with LTE service that should out-perform first generation DSL and win many of those same customers back again (shhh, don't tell Fairpoint, Frontier, or Hawaii Telcom). According to Melone, Verizon's actually ahead of where they thought they'd be, with LTE voice service on tap for 2011
DSL is about what $40-$50 a month and no caps? Verizon charges $60 for a 5 GB cap and $51.20 per GB overage fee for a mobile broadband? Sorry I'll take crappy DSL over that.
I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face. People that live in areas that don't have access to cable/dsl are not going to embrace 3G, 4G, or 20G as long there are low caps and high overage fees. | |
| | | | Re: One problem with your theory said by BF69:And that last bit, as we've been saying, is Verizon's master stroke. The carrier is offloading all of their unwanted, copper-based rural networks (and regulatory headaches, and union workers, and debt) to smaller telcos. They'll then come back into these markets in several years with LTE service that should out-perform first generation DSL and win many of those same customers back again (shhh, don't tell Fairpoint, Frontier, or Hawaii Telcom). According to Melone, Verizon's actually ahead of where they thought they'd be, with LTE voice service on tap for 2011DSL is about what $40-$50 a month and no caps? Verizon charges $60 for a 5 GB cap and $51.20 per GB overage fee for a mobile broadband? Sorry I'll take crappy DSL over that. I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face. People that live in areas that don't have access to cable/dsl are not going to embrace 3G, 4G, or 20G as long there are low caps and high overage fees. 3G isn't meant to really be a home solution, hence the low caps in place. I think that 4G has the potential to be marketed as a home connection. You keep going on about 5GB caps but you can't honestly believe that 4G is going to come with a 5GB cap in place.
Every company that has tiered speeds have different caps in place for faster speeds. There is no way 4G will have a 5GB cap. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: One problem with your theory said by BB_Hunter:said by BF69:And that last bit, as we've been saying, is Verizon's master stroke. The carrier is offloading all of their unwanted, copper-based rural networks (and regulatory headaches, and union workers, and debt) to smaller telcos. They'll then come back into these markets in several years with LTE service that should out-perform first generation DSL and win many of those same customers back again (shhh, don't tell Fairpoint, Frontier, or Hawaii Telcom). According to Melone, Verizon's actually ahead of where they thought they'd be, with LTE voice service on tap for 2011DSL is about what $40-$50 a month and no caps? Verizon charges $60 for a 5 GB cap and $51.20 per GB overage fee for a mobile broadband? Sorry I'll take crappy DSL over that. I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face. People that live in areas that don't have access to cable/dsl are not going to embrace 3G, 4G, or 20G as long there are low caps and high overage fees. 3G isn't meant to really be a home solution, hence the low caps in place. I think that 4G has the potential to be marketed as a home connection. You keep going on about 5GB caps but you can't honestly believe that 4G is going to come with a 5GB cap in place. Well this article is about 4G replacing DSL now isn't it?
if 3G isn't meant to be a home solution then how come they sell it as one?
Why shouldn't I believe that? I'm shocked they have it on 3G I'm shock they have the audacity to charge $51.20 per GB overage. So for then to continue to do stupid things would not surprise me.
Every company that has tiered speeds have different caps in place for faster speeds. There is no way 4G will have a 5GB cap. Unless you have a link Verizon stating otherwise I'll say they will have some rediculously low cap. | |
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| | Verizon You have to look at the fact that Verizon is not really go far with its business right now. It seems that one ISP connected to electric coops as beat Verizon every time they got into a battle. The only thing that has happened is that they are losing to Sprint who is growing faster then Verizon on the data operation and also Verizon is short of money right now. It doesn't have the money to do what it is currently doing and the last quarter they were in negative income. They also have the fact that their lose are to much in customers that they can't fund the growth of their new business so the bottom is that they are going further into hole and there is nothing they can do. Also remember that the ISP with electric coops have met Verizon in battle and they lost each time and therefore had close down operation. So the person who wrote the article should go to the drawing boards. | |
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