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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
|  So What?
I hope Verizon continues this apparent "FIOS at all costs" mentality. It will result in more people getting this service sooner, and it will hopefully inspire cable companies to make improvements to their service as well.
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DavePR
join:2008-06-04
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| Re: So What? Television isn't that important to many people. And more and more people are discovering that HDTV via a rooftop antenna is not only free, it is also better looking than what is delivered by MSOs. These people (we) have no use for such huge bandwidth. | |
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join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| Re: So What? said by DavePR  :Television isn't that important to many people. And more and more people are discovering that HDTV via a rooftop antenna is not only free, it is also better looking than what is delivered by MSOs. These people (we) have no use for such huge bandwidth. Can't say I agree with anything here. The Fios tv forum certainly shows a lot of people that find it important.
As one who has DirecTv, Fios tv is something that is desperately needed here. Comcast thanks to a lot of "shady" reasons, does not share the feed of their RSN to satellite companies (CSN PHL), meanwhile they share every other RSN. Fios has CSN PHL.
I am not sure many people want to go back to roof top antennas either.
The need for bandwidth from even average people is increasing at faster rates due to many forms of content over the internet now. | |
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join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | HDTV via antenna works great hear, that is until there are storms in the area and you cannot get the signal, just when you need it the most. | |
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join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| Re: So What? said by Nuts :HDTV via antenna works great hear, that is until there are storms in the area and you cannot get the signal, just when you need it the most. Sounds like what I get with DirecTv. | |
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
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| said by pnh102 :In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships. The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Re: So What? said by Cthen :The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product. It doesn't really matter either way. The fact remains that Verizon is one of the few companies that is actually working to deliver next-generation broadband. They should not be hobbled by having to maintain a dying technology.
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | Re: So What? DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable.
For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: So What? said by Skeedatl :For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. Most businesses are also able to invest their own connectivity outside of DSL. As for it being dying, it is when you compare it to other types of connectivity, especially fiber.
For example, there is an actual limit to the amount of bandwidth you can get out of DSL, however, with fiber, there is no limit. It is also easier for Verizon to upgrade fiber to handle faster speeds later on. All it takes is simply changing out the equipment on both sides of the line.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: So What? said by Skeedatl :Limitess bandwidth is irrelevant unless you have a provider willing to deploy services over it. Which is exactly why companies like Verizon should be praised and encouraged to deploy such services.
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud
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| Re: So What? Who is discouraging Verizon from deploying 100Mb service over FiOS? (other than Brian Roberts)
Verizon can walk and chew gum. They can improve DSL services while continuing their FiOS deployments. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: So What? Exactly... they're not a little startup company.
Where they are unlikely to deploy FiOS in the near future, they should be maintaining their DSL/POTS service properly.
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join:2002-04-10
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| Well it is and it isn't. There is VDSL which can offer speeds of 12mbit download and 9mbit uploads or similar. However, in terms of true "fiber speeds", dsl doesn't have that potential yet. With that said, DSL is still a viable and good alternative for those that cannot get or do not wish to be stuck with cable company. | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | Re: So What? And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
| Re: So What? said by Skeedatl :And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come. Because companies like Verizon are getting ragged on for investing in FIOS? 
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by jc100 :Well it is and it isn't. There is VDSL which can offer speeds of 12mbit download and 9mbit uploads or similar. Sure. if you live in the CO's basement or live in a lab under optimal conditions.
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| said by Skeedatl :DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable. For data services there is nothing dying about DSL. For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose. | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
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| said by EPS :For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose. Verizon is ADSL2+ in a lot of places now. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: So What? Really? I was under the impression that they weren't rolling out anything newer than ADSL1, which is why they won't offer anything faster than 7 mbps (ADSL's theoretical maximum of 8mbps with compensation for overhead) | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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Erial, NJ | Re: So What? What they've been doing with the ADSL2+ has been to offer their current speeds at longer distances. | |
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united state | I'm in one of the few places that still uses ADSL if there are a lot of places that use ADSL2+, and my RT is above ground as well in a small brick building! Though there are plans to put FiOS out here, so that might be why. | |
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join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA
| said by pnh102 :said by Cthen :The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product. It doesn't really matter either way. The fact remains that Verizon is one of the few companies that is actually working to deliver next-generation broadband. They should not be hobbled by having to maintain a dying technology. Um...I have DSL. Yes, I want FiOS. There have been the occasional truck in my area laying down fiber lines, so I'll be happy to go to it. But I've heard of people having problems with their DSL lines and, because of devoting so much manpower to FiOS, have to wait an excessive amount of time to get their dsl line back up. (hasn't happend to me, thankfully)
Who wants to pay for a product that doesn't work and Verizon is too slow to fix?
So Verizon still needs to be fair to customers that are 'stuck' using DSL when Verizon hasn't gotten to their neighborhood to lay down fiber. Plus, some people are content with their DSL line and don't want to get rid of it.
Hopefully, in a month, they'll be knocking on my door offering FiOS. And I'll reply, "IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!" | |
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join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
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| What the hell is Karl's problem with Verizon.
This is positive news with a negative headline. (you may have a future in the main stream media). They've come out with a superior product and are rolling that out as fast as possible and past a lot of their DSL customers. Sure, DSL costs less, but as someone mentioned a horse and buggy would cost less than a car too.
Leave the personal vendetta off the pages Karl. You would think that Verizon killed his first born son or something. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
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grydlok
join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA | C'mon I sent you this information yesterday. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by grydlok :I sent you this information yesterday. What are you crying about? you got credited for the tip.
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Re: C'mon Maybe the speed in which the item appeared. | |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| DSL and Fios When I switched everything over in late January, I was told that 7.1 Mbps would be rolled out in March. I still can't get above 3.0 Mbps, so almost a full quarter later, and no hints of increase in speed. To be fair, many areas have had announcements that there are speed increases, but not near me.
Frankly, I do hope they ramp up the build out of Fios, including for my area, since they will be starting work in my county next year.
I do agree with Karl that Fios seems to be exceeding their (internal) expectations. Therefore, IMHO, it would make business sense to push it further, especially considering costs to wire a home have decreased, I believe roughly in half. But the key is to find the balance, to take care of those on DSL, since they might be likely to switch to Fios, in addition to those with cable who would want to switch as well.
Also IMHO, the up front investment is big, but I think it is better to go full steam ahead from the get-go, as fiber will be cheaper to maintain in the future, and they can hit the market harder in more areas faster. A few years ago analysts questioned the business plan of Fios, now that it is shown to be working, I think it's easier to "sell" to the same analysts that a ramp up is in their best interests. | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Re: DSL and Fios What happens is the CO offers that increase but obviously only those in range of the CO or an RT can get it. | |
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join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| Re: DSL and Fios said by Skeedatl :What happens is the CO offers that increase but obviously only those in range of the CO or an RT can get it. Here, they've offered it to businesses for a while, but not to residents, regardless of loop length. | |
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cgar
join:2006-06-26
Lewis Center, OH | 768 for $27 a month? No thanks, I'll pass. Why would anyone want their DSL service?
Any idea if Fios will ever come to central Ohio? | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: 768 for $27 a month? No thanks, I'll pass. said by cgar :Why would anyone want their DSL service? Any idea if Fios will ever come to central Ohio? dsl is a poor man's broadband... it crawl like a turtle and behaves like dialup on steroids. it's not dying
more like obsolete... if you are poor yes it makes economic sense... if you are middleclass or above, its not a viable option... | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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Erial, NJ | Re: 768 for $27 a month? No thanks, I'll pass. And you are clueless. | |
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| Re: 768 for $27 a month? No thanks, I'll pass. I live in a rural Verizon area. Too far for DSL to reach Verizon says. But it just requires repeaters or T1 line extension to a remote terminal, and it would fill up since there are a reasonable number of customers begging for it. The only broadband is HughesNet or Dishnet at $100/mo incl. equipment/install. Then you are lucky to get 700k/128k per my neighbor. I can't get anything since being blocked by mountain and trees. YES. Verizon needs to invest more in DSL. You guys don't know how lucky you are.  | |
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@verizon.net | like half speed at full price Yes half speed for full price .that the new verizon logo. yes double the profit for half the service. funny how i'm on verizon dsl and my annon reads r.r.. but i have both. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR | No MDU No FIOS the problem is FIOS MDU development has been nothing more than vaporware. My choices in my apartment complex is 3M DSL vs 6Meg Comcast (before power boost)Until Verizon installs the box in my studio apartment, I will stick with cable. | |
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@cableone.net | DSL Just to let you know skee most companys are trying to rid themselves of DSL. It has been a dying technology for the last few years. Much better out there... One of the above posters is right DSL is a poor mans broadband. | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| DSL Advertising? I get a laugh out of the fact that they are not advertising DSL since at least once every other week (often more frequently) I get an offer in my SnailMail to "upgrade" to DSL (probably due to my keeping my old BANET [ie: Bell Atlantic before they became Verizon] Dial-Up account and Email address which I keep for Email-Only usage) even though my Connectivity is actually Cablevision[CV]/Optonline[OOL] and going back to DSL would be a major downgrade. I am listed on their "Tell Me When You Can Offer ME FIOS" list but that does no good in stopping the useless DSL junk mail. I've even received FIOS mail but get a "try our DSL" when I try the supplied URL to see if they are finally offering my home FIOS like they do to others in my area. | |
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Lotus, CA
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| figure it out before you post nonsense. why does everyone insist on comparing apples to oranges? FIOS and DSL are different wireline flavors for data delivery. optical and copper are not the same wire. FIOS costs way more to deliver to the prem, and all everyone is doing is bitching that they cant get it in podunk, squawking about it not being fair... how bout you fork over the 3k to get it from the street / hwy to your desktop. lots of dsl is funneled back to fiber beyond the dslam.. delivery via copper will still be the method of choice for quite a while due to delivery costs and the fact that there is a buttload of it already ran to the prem. the main reason vz is denying people the opportunity to use the capability of the full pipe is still due to oversubscription / cost model and distance limitations. adsl2, hdsl, etc has the capabilities, but vz is sick of hearing from johnny homeowner whos only paying 25 bucks / mo for 1.5 mb dsl bitch about peak time dl's. why promise the moon for pocket change? dsl isn't going anywhere for awhile.. what the hell does everyone think is going to be the most reliable delivery method? wimax or licensed wireless? ftth? are you gonna pony up the dough to deliver fiber to the majority of the US? be glad if you have anything better than dial up available. if you don't like it, start a CLEC.. or just move to a metro.
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join:2008-06-07
Great Falls, MT
| Re: figure it out before you post nonsense. I agree with the middle part of your post. I work for a company called Vision Net here in Montana and we do tech support for telcos in Montana and a few out of state. You would not believe all the people who live in the smaller, rural towns and on farms in the middle of BFE who complain they are stuck on dial-up. I always say "well I don't know when it will be available in your area for sure but I can say that the cables are not cheap and it takes time to get everything planned out and to get the equipment to do so." Most the time they say "Oh I didn't realize DSL was expensive to get to my house" or "Oh I see."
I do, however, have DSL through Qwest. I can honestly say compared to the horrendous AOL dial-up we used to have, I cannot complain. While I would like to move from the 1.5/1 package to the 7mb package, I never have had any problems with Qwest. Yesterday was the first time I had to call them in 7 months because of a blinking DSL that was due to the awesome snow storm we had.
Even here in Montana most of our telcos (3rivers, Blackfoot, Nemont and Triangle being the major ones) are already starting to move to FTTH as well. We get emails from them all the time updating customer databases and whatnot as they expand FTTH coverage. I look at everything now and it is strange because even Qwest does not have DSL in all of Great Falls and they are a larger company, yet companies with only 7k customers (3rivers) and the larger one with around 18k customers (Blackfoot) are already rolling out FTTH in places that Qwest would never touch IE smaller cities in less populated states and Montana is a great example of that. I don't think they even have their FTTH available in our largest city which is Billings and they have just over 150k people living there.
Who knows though. Maybe tomorrow I will get an email stating that the new FTTH is available in our area. Doubtful, but I can dream can't I?  | |
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join:2007-12-29
Creston, WV | DSL new to me cant wait to get it. lol | |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| *NOT* changing their neglect of DSL If you read the report, the "DSL neglect" they're planning to change is DSL advertising. As for deployment, they pretty much said they don't plan on doing much: quote:
We continue, to some degree, to roll DSL out
So it confirms what I suspected - those of us with no DSL at this point will in all probability stay that way. Even those of us only about 2500-3000 feet from a new, DSL-capable RT.
Note they said they only have 85% BB availablity in the Northest (even after dumping the Fairpoint lines). They're putting their CAPEX into FIOS. | |
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Verizon: We've Neglected DSL
