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story category Verizon Wireless: 'All You Can Eat' Has Got To Change
Which is easy since Verizon never offered that anyway....
09:19AM Thursday Mar 11 2010 by Karl Bode
tags: business · bandwidth · wireless
Verizon CTO Tony Melone has been on a whirlwind press tour the last few weeks promoting Verizon's planned launch of LTE (Long Term Evolution) wireless broadband service later this year. Most of his statements have offered nothing that hasn't been known since last summer, the CTO repeating the fact the service will initially offer speeds between 5-12 Mbps, and will launch in between 25 to 30 markets. Still murky of course is Verizon's LTE pricing and monthly caps, though given recent statements and other pricing changes, you can be fairly sure it won't be cheap. Speaking to the Wall Street Journal, Melone continues to hint at pricing changes coming down the line:
For consumers, LTE's faster speeds will come at a cost. Unlimited data plans available today may become a thing of the past, as carriers try to recoup the billions of dollars they are pouring into building out the new networks. Plans offering "as much data as you can consume is the big issue that has to change," Mr. Malone said. "It's one thing to say all you can eat is gone," he said. "It's another to have consumers worrying, 'Can I stream this radio?' That's what we don't want."
Except Melone is being disengenuous by suggesting Verizon offered "all you can eat" in the first place. Verizon's "unlimited" service technically comes with a 5GB monthly cap -- one NY's Attorney General slammed Verizon for advertising as "unlimited" in late 2007. Both Verizon and AT&T have been talking a lot about the need to change wireless broadband pricing models and how this is only "fair." But the real goal in these changes is simply to raise wireless data rates for everybody in order to offset losses in SMS and mobile voice revenues. Those losses will get heavier during the migration to open networks, mobile VoIP, push IM clients, and smartphones.

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vlad1000

join:2005-05-19
Brooklyn, NY

caps are for saps

you cap my bandwidth, i will go to clearwire! Can you hear me now, Verizon???
Big Dawg 23

join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN

Re: caps are for saps

Enjoy Sprint. Verizon will not die because people don't take the data plan. I see them still offering Unlimited to Phones as they do now because of the limitation. Data cards are totally different.

According to my boss who is a Sprint customer, he has a unlimited data card now but if he upgrades it goes to a 5GB cap. At least that is what he was told.

Frank
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somewhere
·Verizon FiOS

Re: caps are for saps

said by Big Dawg 23 See Profile :

Enjoy Sprint. Verizon will not die because people don't take the data plan. I see them still offering Unlimited to Phones as they do now because of the limitation. Data cards are totally different.

According to my boss who is a Sprint customer, he has a unlimited data card now but if he upgrades it goes to a 5GB cap. At least that is what he was told.
sprint only caps their 3g network at 5GB,

sprint allows for unlimited bandwidth on their 4g (wimax) network.

what your boss has is an old legacy contract where he has unlimited usage on their 3g network.
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davoice

join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
·Comporium

Re: caps are for saps

Well... Clearwire/Clear/Sprint/Time Warner Mobile Broadband/et al DO have limits on the WiMax network.

Per Clear's own website:

Unlimited plans subject to certain limitations described in CLEAR’s Acceptable Use Policy. For details, go to www.clear.com/legal/aup.

}Davoice
xenophon

join:2007-09-17


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Re: caps are for saps

said by davoice See Profile :

Well... Clearwire/Clear/Sprint/Time Warner Mobile Broadband/et al DO have limits on the WiMax network.

Per Clear's own website:

Unlimited plans subject to certain limitations described in CLEAR’s Acceptable Use Policy. For details, go to www.clear.com/legal/aup.

}Davoice
That's no different than cable operators. They state they have a right to alter service if you are impacting network congestion, but it doesn't have a broadly specific defined cap. All ISPs have similar conditions.

I think the differences between Verizon/ATT and Sprint 4G will be that Sprint will eventually structure limits inline with cable operators since they don't have a landline broadband network direct to homes. VZW/ATT will structure 4G limits similar to 3G because they do have landland broadband networks. So Sprint be forced to have less limits than VZW/ATT - good for the consumer.

Verizon can go ahead and do per use charges/caps if they want, but someone will be out there who does not.

This seems to validate WiMAX's claims that it costs less to rollout than LTE. Verizon is essentially agreeing to it.
PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

said by davoice See Profile :

Well... Clearwire/Clear/Sprint/Time Warner Mobile Broadband/et al DO have limits on the WiMax network.

Per Clear's own website:

Unlimited plans subject to certain limitations described in CLEAR’s Acceptable Use Policy. For details, go to www.clear.com/legal/aup.

}Davoice
Their own AUP states a soft 5GB cap.

davoice

join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC

Re: caps are for saps

And their virtual operators (Ala RoadRunner Mobile) also sell a 2GB product w/ a specific 2GB cap.

} Davoice

warchyld

@spcsdns.net
Not sure what he is talking about i have sprint 3g and its unlimited i used 25G last month and clear which is owned by sprint offers 2 devices on 4G 50$ for life of course there clauses like p2p no isps like that thats why they say that

C0deZer0
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Davenport, FL
·Verizon FiOS

said by Big Dawg 23 See Profile :

Enjoy Sprint. Verizon will not die because people don't take the data plan. I see them still offering Unlimited to Phones as they do now because of the limitation. Data cards are totally different.

According to my boss who is a Sprint customer, he has a unlimited data card now but if he upgrades it goes to a 5GB cap. At least that is what he was told.
Well, since VZW and AT&T are basically making it mandatory to take a data plan with just about any phone worth using, you'd be blind to think it won't affect subscriber-ship to their services.
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dMarks
Melting Faces For Fun

join:2007-02-09
Jackson, MI
·Millenicom

said by Big Dawg 23 See Profile :

According to my boss who is a Sprint customer, he has a unlimited data card now but if he upgrades it goes to a 5GB cap. At least that is what he was told.
If your boss switches from Sprint to Millenicom he can upgrade to a newer device and still keep unlimited data. Might come at a price increase (Millenicom unlimited sprint is $69.99).

So, don't believe everything you're told. Sprint has made deals that keep people on the unlimited service.
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hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: caps are for saps

Sprint does NOT enforce their caps. That's the thing. They may claim there is a Cap there isn't one.

People on here all the time say they use well more than the 5gigs per month on the EVDO cards and still have the service.

warchyld

@spcsdns.net
He is misinformed i have one as well the unlimited ppl stay that way he has to ask to be grandfathered in thats all it goes to 62.50 instead of 59.99
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Endicott, NY

I hate to defend this practice but isn't wireless a slightly different animal than wired connections? My understanding is that spectrum limitations come into play in much the same manner as a cable company with an overloaded node -- except that it isn't as easy to buy more spectrum as it is to split an overloaded coax node.

Now that doesn't mean that 5GB is a fair or justifiable cap or that the amounts they are charging for overages are anything but a ripoff. But is it actually feasible to offer truly limitless connections on a wireless service and still guarantee a reasonable level of service to your customers?
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: caps are for saps

said by Crookshanks See Profile :

I hate to defend this practice but isn't wireless a slightly different animal than wired connections? My understanding is that spectrum limitations come into play in much the same manner as a cable company with an overloaded node -- except that it isn't as easy to buy more spectrum as it is to split an overloaded coax node.
Instead of buying spectrum the answer is to split the cell.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Endicott, NY


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Re: caps are for saps

I'm not an RF engineer but isn't there a limit to how many times they can do that before the neighboring cells and phones start to interfere with each other? I know with CDMA that transmissions not intended for you show up as background noise. Reach a certain threshold and the S/N ratio will be too low for your phone/data card to work properly.

I'd imagine there's also a cost issue to that, particularly in rural areas where they don't have the luxury of slapping cell sites on existing structures and need to build or lease towers.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: caps are for saps

CDMA controls handset's transmit power in a real time loop, the mathematics requires to know the signal loss from the handset to the base station to figure out what the original signal coming out of the handset was. From what I just googled about GSM, it has power control, but only 8 levels, .8 watts is the lowest, then 2 watts. 99% of GSM handsets have a max transmit power of 2 watts anyways.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17
ATT/VZW only have about 25Mhz spectrum in the 700mhz band. Sprint has about 100Mhz spectrum for WiMAX per market.
Network Guy

join:2000-08-25
New York

Exaflood again?

Or does Verizon not find it attractive to wait until signing up enough subs to recoup the cost of building out LTE networks?

BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

from the verizon website

Mobile Broadband Plan—5 GB Monthly Allowance
$59.99 monthly access
* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB


5 cents per MB is $51.20 per GB. And yet this asshat form Verizon thinks we need to pay MORE? Thier prices border on the illegal.

pende_tim
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Andover, NJ
·ProLog
·ViaTalk

Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

said by BF69 See Profile :

from the verizon website

Mobile Broadband Plan—5 GB Monthly Allowance
$59.99 monthly access
* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB


5 cents per MB is $51.20 per GB. And yet this asshat form Verizon thinks we need to pay MORE? Thier prices border on the illegal.


With that pricing structure, it is less expensive to have a second data card(s) if you regularly go over 6-7 GB/month.
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JunjiHiroma
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join:2008-03-18

said by BF69 See Profile :

from the verizon website

Mobile Broadband Plan—5 GB Monthly Allowance
$59.99 monthly access
* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB


5 cents per MB is $51.20 per GB. And yet this asshat form Verizon thinks we need to pay MORE? Thier prices border on the illegal.
If Bell,robbers and telus did this trick to their own internet..Think Of The Profits!they'd be thru the roof!

pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada

Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

Rogers, Bell, and TELUS all do this with their wireless. Fido is $0.03/KB on overages.

MIllIlITER
Premium
join:2002-03-03
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast

said by BF69 See Profile :

from the verizon website

Mobile Broadband Plan—5 GB Monthly Allowance
$59.99 monthly access
* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB


5 cents per MB is $51.20 per GB. And yet this asshat form Verizon thinks we need to pay MORE? Thier prices border on the illegal.
It does for smartphones, as opposed to laptop USB cards, as this poster shows:
»No Cap

BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN


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Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

said by MIllIlITER See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

from the verizon website

Mobile Broadband Plan—5 GB Monthly Allowance
$59.99 monthly access
* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB


5 cents per MB is $51.20 per GB. And yet this asshat form Verizon thinks we need to pay MORE? Thier prices border on the illegal.
It does for smartphones, as opposed to laptop USB cards, as this poster shows:
»No Cap
And once again what if I actually want to use a COMPUTER to access the internet? there is in fact a 5 GB cap. I wish you peole would stop being so obtuse and think eveyone is just jizzing in their pants to access the internet on a cell phone over a PC or laptop. How are YOU accessing this site right now?

MIllIlITER
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·Comcast

Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

said by BF69 See Profile :

And once again what if I actually want to use a COMPUTER to access the internet? there is in fact a 5 GB cap. How are YOU accessing this site right now?
By a hardwired PC thru a router, then thru a cable modem. But I also access dslreports thru a smartphone as well if away from home. I use both text.dslreports.com and www.dslreports.com depending on what I am doing.

BF69
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Camden, TN

Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

said by MIllIlITER See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

And once again what if I actually want to use a COMPUTER to access the internet? there is in fact a 5 GB cap. How are YOU accessing this site right now?
By a hardwired PC thru a router, then thru a cable modem. But I also access dslreports thru a smartphone as well if away from home. I use both text.dslreports.com and www.dslreports.com depending on what I am doing.
So you do use a HOME PC. And people not lucky enough to have cable or DSL but of have access to 3g? They should have 5 GB caps and $51.20 per GB overages? You're solution is for them to just have to put up with accessing the internet though cellphone ONLY. YOU do it and tell me how that feels.

MIllIlITER
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·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast

Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

said by BF69 See Profile :

And people not lucky enough to have cable or DSL but of have access to 3g?
Well then - they are unlucky. So be it. Because about 95% of internet users have access to cable or DSL of some sort in the US.
BB_Hunter

join:2008-05-16


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Re: Verizon doesn't have all you can eat

said by MIllIlITER See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

And people not lucky enough to have cable or DSL but of have access to 3g?
Well then - they are unlucky. So be it. Because about 95% of internet users have access to cable or DSL of some sort in the US.
It's easy to pull numbers out of your ass.

BF69 - I'm accessing the internet through a Verizon U727 aircard which is hooked to my KR2 router to get my PC, MBP, iPhone, 360 and PS3 online. My reception is so poor at my home of course I had to invest in some high grade cable, an outdoor antenna mast, a parabolic grid antenna and 3watt direct connect amp. I've easily got $500+ in my setup and pay $59 a month for my 3G service.

Thankfully though, I've got the old grandfathered account which allows me an unlimited download allowance. As a matter of fact my contract did expire last month but I don't plan on changing anything. It's either this Satellite or dial up. I can honestly say if the terms had changed for me I would have dropped them immediately.

I can see why they are doing this though with the 3G data cards. They were originally designed to be a business class service until it became more widespread and then they started marketing it as a home based solution. After it started to take for the "5%" of us that don't have cable/dsl access they realized that they didn't have the bandwidth to support unlimited access for everyone so they put the caps in place.

I'm sure LTE will have a cap in place but it will be more inline with cable/dsl overage charges. LTE is a whole new technology and they are supporting it with fiber not T-1 lines.

I'd be willing to be there will be a 5GB cap on a "light user plan" through Verizon's LTE at say a $34.95 price point. But they will also have a $59.95 plan for say 20GB of data then hopefully a $79.95 plan which buys you say 60GB of data. Not my ideal pricing or limits here but I'm just being realistic here.

dMarks
Melting Faces For Fun

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Jackson, MI
·Millenicom

said by MIllIlITER See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

And people not lucky enough to have cable or DSL but of have access to 3g?
Well then - they are unlucky. So be it. Because about 95% of internet users have access to cable or DSL of some sort in the US.
Wow...just how inaccurate do you want to get?

Though, I see you say "internet users" which I suppose perhaps you include those outside the US as well. Kinda makes your "95%" a bit more unrealistic. However, if you're talking about the US, I guess you haven't read we're pretty piss-poor on decent internet coverage and have a very large rural customer base that doesn't receive those services to begin with. Satellite? Don't make me laugh. I've had dial-up service beat satellite on speed. No joke.

I'm one of the lucky ones that have wireless service through a company that provides unlimited bandwidth (using the Sprint network). Yeah, it's 3G and not all that fast but beats Satellite and Dial-up any day, which are my only other options.

Might want to just stop posting BS from now on.
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Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

said by BF69 See Profile :

So you do use a HOME PC. And people not lucky enough to have cable or DSL but of have access to 3g? They should have 5 GB caps and $51.20 per GB overages? You're solution is for them to just have to put up with accessing the internet though cellphone ONLY. YOU do it and tell me how that feels.
It must feel lousy but what such people really need is for the real internet (over fiber or copper) to get to their homes. Cell phone companies provide convenience as a complement to wired broadband but anyone who thinks they will ever truly compete with wired broadband is smoking some drug.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
You can always use a smartphone with its unlimited data plan. Granted, it'll cost you $69.98, but at least you get voice in addition to your unlimited data plan.
ke4pym
Premium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
It's good to be grandfathered on the all you can eat plan.
thedragonmas

join:2007-12-28
Albany, GA

said by BF69 See Profile :

from the verizon website

Mobile Broadband Plan—5 GB Monthly Allowance
$59.99 monthly access
* 5 GB overage rate is $0.05/MB


5 cents per MB is $51.20 per GB. And yet this asshat form Verizon thinks we need to pay MORE? Thier prices border on the illegal.
only $0.05 per MB? that beats $1.03 per MB ($0.01 per KB that ATT charges)

this is assuming i did my math right $0.01 x 1024 / 100 = $1.024 rounded up to nearist cent is $1.03

$1.03 per MB x 1024MB = $1,054.72 per GB
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
borderline illegal? how? there is no law that states that they can not go over a certain dollar amount.

They can and do charge what the market will bare and thats the thing. People will pay it and the day will keep going on.
Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
·Comcast
·Embarq Now Century..

Pay through the nose if you use it.

Tony Bologna demonstrated the wireless industries usual M.O. Everything is fine unless you use the service, then you will have to pay through the nose. Back to the Voice FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). Buy a package of N GB of data you will probably not use or pay through nose for any excess over your CAP. After all it worked since 1983 for voice. The Wireless weasels want instant ROI.

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vlad1000

join:2005-05-19
Brooklyn, NY

well we're talking about 4G not 3G

verizon won't get NOWHERE with caps...unless it's something like a 200GB cap or more per month...otherwise....it's unreasonable

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bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY
·RoadRunner Cable

Caps

I have a few plans grandfathered in under unlimited. Ran 17 GB through my this month. The new VZ access also ties you in to hotspots by VZ (think Boingo) that doesn't use your CDMA. Its nice for the Chicago airport since everyone is on their cell phones and the Verizon data (CMDA bit) is sluggish. Not to bad on the wifi side I got around 3mbit with 27ms latency.

JunjiHiroma
Teksavvy's Prodigy

join:2008-03-18

I guess Pay Per Internet is Inveitable through the Telco's..

and Isp's mouths. I guess caps will be Invietable?Right Verizon?Right Bell,Robbers,and telus?

MikeRaach

join:2000-12-05
Martinez, CA

Just switch to Metro or Boost...

They are only getting better and better. Sure a few years ago they had dropped calls and what not, but now I've seen my friend's Metro work just as well as my Verizon. And that was including at my cabin in the boonies. Sure, they don't have unlimited roaming everywhere, but at 15cents a minute (I think that is what it costs for roaming), I'll gladly pay that in an emergency. I mean really, how often do you travel outside of your 'home' area? And now they include free texting in roaming areas so really, I'd never get charged that 15c/min. And even if I did, it sure would be a shitload cheaper than a Verizon contract for the same services. $50 for unlimited voice, text, internet...

I'm on a family plan split 4 ways on verizon and I pay $30 for my share. This is no net. Super cheap for verizon, but f-mn. I want my net and I'm not gonna pay double my current price just so I can get 5 gigs a month...

BF69
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Camden, TN

Re: Just switch to Metro or Boost...

said by MikeRaach See Profile :

They are only getting better and better. Sure a few years ago they had dropped calls and what not, but now I've seen my friend's Metro work just as well as my Verizon. And that was including at my cabin in the boonies. Sure, they don't have unlimited roaming everywhere, but at 15cents a minute (I think that is what it costs for roaming), I'll gladly pay that in an emergency. I mean really, how often do you travel outside of your 'home' area? And now they include free texting in roaming areas so really, I'd never get charged that 15c/min. And even if I did, it sure would be a shitload cheaper than a Verizon contract for the same services. $50 for unlimited voice, text, internet...

I'm on a family plan split 4 ways on verizon and I pay $30 for my share. This is no net. Super cheap for verizon, but f-mn. I want my net and I'm not gonna pay double my current price just so I can get 5 gigs a month...
Verizon is the only carrier that provides 3G to my area.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH

said by MikeRaach See Profile :

They are only getting better and better. Sure a few years ago they had dropped calls and what not, but now I've seen my friend's Metro work just as well as my Verizon. And that was including at my cabin in the boonies. Sure, they don't have unlimited roaming everywhere, but at 15cents a minute (I think that is what it costs for roaming), I'll gladly pay that in an emergency. I mean really, how often do you travel outside of your 'home' area? And now they include free texting in roaming areas so really, I'd never get charged that 15c/min. And even if I did, it sure would be a shitload cheaper than a Verizon contract for the same services. $50 for unlimited voice, text, internet...

I'm on a family plan split 4 ways on verizon and I pay $30 for my share. This is no net. Super cheap for verizon, but f-mn. I want my net and I'm not gonna pay double my current price just so I can get 5 gigs a month...
They will always be limited by the duopolistic pricing of the middle mile, until/if the FCC reforms it.

HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO

Sprint & Wal Mart

I just hope Sprint goes ahead with their Wal Mart plans for offering coverage almost nationwide via doing a WiMax build out on top of Wal Mart. »www.engadget.com/2010/01/12/spri···uildout/
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Warren96

join:2009-11-13
Brooklyn, NY
·Verizon Online DSL

Time to get back to mentality of - Pay as you go

Seeing a wireless device is a luxury and not something that is required to allow one to live and breathe, the recent generations will be brought to the stark reality of "pay for what to need."

The last 15 years of the false tag of "unlimited" is being pulled down, finally.

Now only if the state & US Attorneys offices hammer down the striking of the word/marketing label of 'unlimited', unless documented in a contract without any exception clause, real competition and education of consumers to telecommunications real cost will start.

But the telcos will pay off the right people to hide under lies for a few more decades.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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Re: Time to get back to mentality of - Pay as you go

I agree with you.. mobile internet is a luxury...

And, I'm really surprised that the wireless carriers still get away with calling their 3G data cards "unlimited" when they then say "up to 5GB of service"... etc. Did they not learn their lesson from other providers of the past?

MIllIlITER
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·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast


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Business plan adjusting to changing reality

»Verizon Wireless: 'All You Can Eat' Has Got To Change
raise wireless data rates for everybody in order to offset losses in SMS and mobile voice revenues that will be incurred by a migration to open networks, mobile VoIP, push IM clients, and smartphones.
As wireless access changes to an environment as stated above, then the way to do billing must change along with it. Everyone talks about how the RIAA & MPAA didn't change their business plans to fit the switch to digital entertainment. Well Verizon and other wireless providers have recognized a changing environment and are getting ready to change their business plans accordingly. Seems like a good move on their part to me.

BF69
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Camden, TN

Re: Business plan adjusting to changing reality

said by MIllIlITER See Profile :

»Verizon Wireless: 'All You Can Eat' Has Got To Change
raise wireless data rates for everybody in order to offset losses in SMS and mobile voice revenues that will be incurred by a migration to open networks, mobile VoIP, push IM clients, and smartphones.
As wireless access changes to an environment as stated above, then the way to do billing must change along with it. Everyone talks about how the RIAA & MPAA didn't change their business plans to fit the switch to digital entertainment. Well Verizon and other wireless providers have recognized a changing environment and are getting ready to change their business plans accordingly. Seems like a good move on their part to me.
That's fine start charging pay as you go. They can also PROVE that it cost them $51.20 per extra GB over 5 GB. Amazing since my ISP can do it for 10 cents.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA

Re: Business plan adjusting to changing reality

You're wireless ISP can do it for $0.10? It seems as though your wireless service provider is currently doing it for closer to $12/GB ($60/5GB - whatever recurring O&M cost).
fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
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Again, I agree... but proving it or not, $51.20 per GB is WAY out of line... That 1 single gig costs almost as much as the initial 5GB. In my case, it would be more than I pay.. my plan is $49.99 a month on Sprint.. however, I'm still grandfathered on the Unlimited Plan so I'm fine, for now.
tuminatr

join:2003-03-19
Saint Paul, MN
·Qwest.net

so comcast and qwest have these now, so different with vzw

OK from what I understand Comcast has a 250gb limit on their service, Qwest has a limit but they say reasonable person would only use (they don't give a actual number)

for wireless companies
AT&t = 5gb limit with tethering or air cards
T-mobile = 5gb limit with tethering or air cards
T-mobile = 10gb limit with a pda
Verizon = 5gb limit with tethering or air cards
Sprint= 3g= 5gb limit with tethering or air cards
sprint 4g = unlimited with a disclaimer subject to change

so it looks like the industry standard is 5gb for 3g, and we have not seen Verizons standard for 4g so we don't know what it is gonna be

I am gonna wait to see what they actually do rather than worry about about something that has not happened yet

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decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN

Regression

Ahh yes, the technelogical regression I frequently speak about..

Why have video services if your going to have to pay the same as if you just either purchase the movie, or rent them? Broadband capping is simply GREED.. I'd love to see all giants broken down or forced to allow resellers to resell at a cheaper rate.. Dialup was made usable due to the fact that it was fairly easy to start up a dialup provider. Remember the days of AOL or Prodigy with just 10 hours of access time a month??? We are practically on the way back to that.. Only difference, we will have HUGE insanely overpriced unjustified overages....
stufried
Premium
join:2003-10-13
·Verizon BroadbandA..

Scared to Go Near the Border

These massive overage fees make people afraid of going over to a ridiculous extent. What about $10 for each additional gig over 5 on those plans if you are going to do something.

Are they going to keep 5 gig caps when LTE comes out? They need to rethink the market or they are going to shoot themselves in the fott.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

driving the market

just as the landlines went unlimited with technology upgrades and cost savings, so will wireless... BUT what will end up happening is sooner or later the BIG carriers will end up OWNING the infrastrure (ie towers, equipment and BACKHAUL) so that they cut out the middle guys who own the towers and/or sites... again, this will take a number of years, if not decades to play itself out, but those best postitioned for this takever (ie have the MONEY) for the new infrastructure grab will prevail. unlimited wireless will follow the VOIP price structure sooner or later (that is, being under $30 a month for unlimited services of all nature... voice, text, email, web, etc--which is all-inclusive).

tracynell

@pinebelt.net

what is best

I just bought a laptop & was thinking of getting the wireless card but am now unsure b/c of the "cap talk". Do you get a "notice" when you are close to your cap? I don't want to have a high internet bill so what is the best provider &/or way to go? Thanks for all the help!

Happy wVZ

@cox.net

Re: what is best

It's mostly hyperbole, unless you use it as your only connection, or stream video. I have had VZ EVDO for over two years, use it 10 hours a day (business & pleasure) even when WIFI is available due to security concerns, and have reached 5 gigs exactly once. Each time you log on (if you use the VZ provided software), it gives you your usage, and tells you when the bill will roll over.

Most posters here as usual miss the point on the overage fee. They don't expect to collect it. It is a deterrent to overuse. You can support 8 of me on the same (limited) bandwidth of the 17 gig user above on average.

Noah Vail
Son made My Avatar
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: what is best

said by Happy wVZ :

It's mostly hyperbole, unless you use it as your only connection, or stream video. I have had VZ EVDO for over two years, use it 10 hours a day (business & pleasure) even when WIFI is available due to security concerns, and have reached 5 gigs exactly once.
With respect, it depends on the your usage. I carried VZ cards for a year or two and went over my cap routinely, though I used it less than 10 hours a day, nor did I stream video.

What I did was stream radio. I'd average 7 or 8 GB/mo. Since they were part of a medium sized corporate account, VZ never said a word.

I have no complaint w/ their service. I did lose signal at my 3 most visited locations (home, work, church) but that is the luck of the draw, not a reflection on Verizon.

I find I'm more satisfied w/ my 1yo Sprint account. It's 30/mo ea for phone data and PC data card. I can tether my phone and have NO Cap on either. Again, it's corp service and the rules can be different.

NV
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In my perfect religion, a giant hole appears and sucks up all the lousy people.
I call it the Crapture.

warchyld

@spcsdns.net

It breaks down like this

1)Go with clear on release of 4G the unlimted for life 2 devices 50$ 2)boost moble is also unlimited everything but they use sprints towers np for some others not so much. 3) all the 3G carriers had unlimited data for a very short while currently im useing sprints 3G unlimited most of the isps just didnt stop the unlimited commercials after they switched to caps. 4) LTE (verizon) uses a 700mhz spectrum the old tv broadcasting and there gonna have different prices for different devices cell phones,data cards,voip ect.5) sprint and clear aka wimax has a 2.5ghz spectrum there only gonna use 1/4 or maybe half of there spectrum once it is fully deployed clear has already tested an updated version of it and was pushing almost 150mps. Bottom line no one knows what LTE pricing is gonna be but if they wanna compete there gonna have to go unlimited like clear and sprint.

user01

@wideopenwest.com

family plans!

If they impose tiered pricing, I certainly hope they work out a way to pool data traffic as the do minutes.

Having a family plan with at least 2 smart phones in addition to other phones, it would leave a really bitter taste in my mouth to get dinged for data overage on one phone while paying for unused capacity on another.

If data follows the pattern of minutes (which it may well eventually), "shared data" would actually result in people buying more data than they need.
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