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Is this a paradigm shift or just a public relations play?
(old news - 10:57AM Tuesday Nov 27 2007)
tags: business · wireless · software · content · net-neutrality · Verizon Wireless Broadband
For many years, customers of major wireless providers have complained about the closed nature of their networks. Carriers frequently nickel and dime customers to death, crippling the functionality of some phones in order to generate this extra revenue. Everything seems to incur additional fees, be it tethering your laptop or transferring photos from phone to PC. Still, carriers insist they offer a universe of choice.
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The nature of these closed networks have been highlighted with Google's entry into the wireless space. Google recently ripped into the incumbent carrier business model; their criticisms well covered during the debate over the upcoming 700Mhz spectrum auction. They also highlighted the locked nature of incumbent software with the release of their new "Android" mobile OS developer kit.

In apparent response to Google's criticism and ample press coverage, Verizon today announced that they're opening up their network to competing software services and additional devices starting at the end of next year. Like Google, they're also putting the call out to developers. From the folks at big red:
In early 2008, the company will publish the technical standards the development community will need to design products to interface with the Verizon Wireless network. Any device that meets the minimum technical standard will be activated on the network. Devices will be tested and approved in a $20 million state-of-the-art testing lab which received an additional investment this year to gear up for the anticipated new demand. Any application the customer chooses will be allowed on these devices.
From the press release, it looks like they'll still offer their standard services for those interested, but will be offering "an additional retail option" for users looking to simply connect to the network. This could open the door for Verizon to charge users a premium simply for the honor of not being locked within Verizon's mobile application empire, but it also should open Verizon's network to a slew of new devices and services.

We see a lot of people getting very excited, but implementation is key, and Verizon's track record on this front is poor. How sincere Verizon really is about an open network will depend on the price of the service, platform specifics and the fine print (caps, etc.). Check back later, but my gut tells me this could be a maneuver aimed less at opening the network, and more at deflecting political criticism and/or pitching billing by the byte.

The end product will likely not be quite as sexy as many are hoping. Verizon has absolutely no interest in being a "dumb pipe" wireless provider, and they'll likely make up for lost revenue by charging more for bandwidth.

Whether a genuine paradigm shift or a public relations ploy, it's clear that Verizon is feeling the heat because of Google. That may result in a broader choice of devices for consumers. Given Verizon's track record however, we would suggest people wait for the specifics of Verizon's plan before holding parades.

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MattE
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Frozen Over?

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Re: Frozen Over?

You haven't seen the strings yet. Looks like the pot is still boiling to me. No news here. Just Verizon looking for revenue from suckers and business customers. No new news.

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Exactly

What's the price? Similarly - sure you can get an unlocked iPhone in Germany...if you want to pay 999 euros (about $1,477US). yeah...they may be forced to sell them without contracts, but the law doesn't say "at the same price."

Be careful of what you wish for - you might get it.

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Re: Exactly

Right... Verizon Wireless knows what they're doing.
In order to 'open up' their networks, I'm sure that it won't be a 'complete' open network (as they stated they would open it to competing services... not wide open), and then they would charge competitors access fees
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Re: Exactly

said by en102 See Profile :

Right... Verizon Wireless knows what they're doing.
In order to 'open up' their networks, I'm sure that it won't be a 'complete' open network (as they stated they would open it to competing services... not wide open), and then they would charge competitors access fees
I have no problem with them charging competitors access fees. After all, they built the network and have every right to make money off it. I just hope the fees are reasonable ... but I'm not holding my breath.
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Too bad I still won't be able to go to Verizon and tell them to remove the buggy software of theirs from my razr. It takes 10-15 seconds just to open a text message. I know I can flash it with another providers software, but i don't want to jump too far away from Verizon if anything happens with my phone... then I'll be in the dark.

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Re: V3m

said by swhitney2003 See Profile :

Too bad I still won't be able to go to Verizon and tell them to remove the buggy software of theirs from my razr. It takes 10-15 seconds just to open a text message. I know I can flash it with another providers software, but i don't want to jump too far away from Verizon if anything happens with my phone... then I'll be in the dark.
Remove your memory card and watch the phone speed back up. Same thing happened with my Krzr.
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I don't have a memory card in it

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Still better

Still better than ATT, T-Mobile and all the others receptonwise around my towns.

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Re: Still better

Better? In my opinion they all suck.

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Re: Still better

About goddam time!!!!!!!! Now if only they could get some balls and remove the cr@ppy 5 gig cap on their overpriced laptop connection card plans................
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Re: Still better

Overpriced in the sense of what your willing to pay? Or overpriced for the most reliable and fastest mobile network speeds available. Maybe you do not understand what it costs to provide services, especially services like mobile access nearly anywhere and everywhere you require. I think 60 or 70 or 80 is a bargain compared to what your option of building your own would be.

You have a choice, use it....or dont. No one if forcing you to buy their service and if you need the convenience and reliability of such a service than paying what its worth is a very good deal.

I am just sick of everyone playing the victim with telco's in highly competitive marketplace (mobile data/wireless). Competition and costs drive the market prices. If they were unreasonable then no one would buy them, since they have one of the largest customer bases I would say pricing is right on point.

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November 27th, @01:47PM

Re: Still better

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Or overpriced for the most reliable and fastest mobile network speeds available.
Of course YMMV in cases like this, and VZ might be the best provider where you live/work, but I don't think the statement that VZ's data network is the fastest or most reliable, overall, is borne out by the data. According to EVDOforums.com, Sprint has better coverage and speed, overall.

quote:
Maybe you do not understand what it costs to provide services, especially services like mobile access nearly anywhere and everywhere you require. I think 60 or 70 or 80 is a bargain compared to what your option of building your own would be.
I guess what P. T. Barnum said was true... I pay $15/mo, *and* I don't get capped at 5 GB.

quote:
You have a choice, use it....or dont. No one if forcing you to buy their service and if you need the convenience and reliability of such a service than paying what its worth is a very good deal.

I am just sick of everyone playing the victim with telco's in highly competitive marketplace (mobile data/wireless). Competition and costs drive the market prices. If they were unreasonable then no one would buy them, since they have one of the largest customer bases I would say pricing is right on point.
Then again, people pay premium prices for water bottled in Iceland or Fiji and shipped to the US. Or as they used to say, 'Evian' is 'naive' spelled backwards.

Go figure.
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I don't give a damn how good or fast it is. No wireless network is worth $.01/kilobyte or whatever the hell the ridiculous amount is that they charge. There's a difference between paying a premium for a useful service and just plain getting raped for every nickel and dime possible.

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In my home town, university, and new apartment i get better coverage with tmobile than with att or verizon. Usually verizon gets coverage most places but it doesnt mean they have better coverage in those places than others.
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Around here, and the places I go over the US, verizon sucks, T-mo and AT&T have always been better. My GF and here whole family has Verizon (here and in Iowa), but once their contract is up they are all switching to either AT&T or T-Mo. I takes 5 minutes just to call my GF because the calls never get through to her, it just rings and goes to VM.
matrix3D

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Re: Still better

Heh... you sure she's not just ignoring you?
gizmopt2002

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Re: Still better

haha yea, I've stopped calling her cell, and just call her home. Text messages take 3ish hours to get to her, and she never gets picture messages. This isn't just T-Mo, it's through other providers too.

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said by NJxxxJon See Profile :

Still better than ATT, T-Mobile and all the others receptonwise around my towns.
Depends on your area Verizon T-Mobile Sprint have very good coverage in Houston.
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ehhhh



what about pictures?

All I have ever wanted to do with my Krzr is plug it into my USB port and be able to easily transfer pictures to my PC without having to use Verizon's slow, expensive, and stupid Get it now service. The phone should appear as a removable drive, just as a camera does when connected via USB.

Sure, i can send picture messages to my email, but that is ridiculously slow and cumbersome.

Off topic, but why is it that we have to pay $10 to transfer our contacts/numbers to a new phone when FREE online instant messengers store your buddy lists on remote servers for FREE? Why can't wireless companies do that? Oh that's right, some do, but you have to pay extra for it.

This article was great: "Carriers frequently nickle and dime customers to death, crippling the functionality of some phones in order to generate this extra revenue"

That statement summarizes the entire wireless industry in the USA. And it's pathetic because we put up with it, and are given NO alternatives.

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Re: what about pictures?

Open network does not necessarily mean open phone. Ringtones, pix, and msgs are big money makers.

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I used to be able to do this with my LG VX8100 using BitPIM. Then I "upgraded" to a VX8350 and have regretted it ever since. It seems that Verizon became aware of BitPIM's abilities and blocked access to many phone features on the phone itself. So now Verizon is trying to force me to pay $2 to buy a ringtone for a song that I already own legally. Or, worse, deny me from adding my own ringtones because they might be copyrighted songs. (What if my ringtone was a text-to-speech translation of "Jason, your wife is calling you."?)

I did find MyxerTones.com which works half the time, but still that winds up costing me 25 cents per ringtone. Like you said, I should be able to connect the phone to the PC and transfer photos, ringtones, etc on and off of the phone. At the very least make photos on and off transferable and make ringtones a "transfer to phone/delete file only" level of access.

It's interesting that Verizon is talking about opening their network, but I'll believe it when I see the results. Right now, the cynic in me thinks that this will be a plan option that will cost $10 more per month and come with a bunch of fine print restrictions.

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If you log into the Verizon Wireless website, they offer a free application so you can backup and restore your own contacts.

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November 27th, @12:35PM

Re: what about pictures?

In reference to verizon this is true if both phones are verizon. if they are not they make you pay. UNLESS you are a business customer.

Competitor:
On T-Mobile it is free regardless. they transferred by girlfriends contacts from a cingular siemens phone to tmobile samsung without a hitch.
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November 27th, @12:20PM

Re: what about pictures?

said by jgkolt See Profile :

true if both phones are verizon. if they are not they make you pay. UNLESS you are a business customer.

On T-Mobile it is free regardless. they transferred by girlfriends contacts from a cingular siemens phone to tmobile samsung without a hitch.
Ahhh, didn't realize you were talking about different carriers.

FWIW, when my ex-gf signed a new 2-year agreement with them, they transferred her contacts for free from Alltel to Verizon. I'm sure it was because she was signing a new contract though.

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said by ehhhh :

All I have ever wanted to do with my Krzr is plug it into my USB port and be able to easily transfer pictures to my PC without having to use Verizon's slow, expensive, and stupid Get it now service. The phone should appear as a removable drive, just as a camera does when connected via USB.
I can do that with my T-mobile Dash. I can transfer files back and forth between phone and computer with ease. I was also able to do that with my old T-Mobile Nokia, via infrared. I haven't bought a ringtone in years; I simply make my own out of the music I already own. When I take pictures with my camera phone, I just copy them over to my computer when I get home.

said by ehhhh :

Off topic, but why is it that we have to pay $10 to transfer our contacts/numbers to a new phone when FREE online instant messengers store your buddy lists on remote servers for FREE? Why can't wireless companies do that? Oh that's right, some do, but you have to pay extra for it.
With T-Mobile, AT&T, Unicel, and any other GSM carrier, you can store your contacts on the SIM card, so you always have your contacts regardless of which phone you use.

said by ehhhh :

That statement summarizes the entire wireless industry in the USA. And it's pathetic because we put up with it, and are given NO alternatives.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree there. That statement summarizes MUCH of the wireless industry, like (IMHO) VZ. Other carriers give you other options. Don't like a locked down phone? Switch to T-Mobile, where you can use your phone exactly as the manufacturer of the device intended. Is T-mobile a better service? It is for me, but may not be for some.

T-mobile's internet, while unlimited (as opposed to VZ's "unlimited" limit of 5gb), barely can be classified as broadband in some markets, and simply isn't broadband in others. BUT, I can tether my phone to my computer and use the cellular connection for internet on my PC, without paying a dime extra for any extra services, and without T-Mobile even knowing I'm doing it. It's fast enough for basic web browsing, so I'm happy with it. And did I mention it's unlimited?

Although I MAY sound like a T-Mobile fanboy (ok, I kinda am), the point of this post is, you DO have options. All wireless providers suck, they just suck in different areas. If internet is important to you, go with Sprint. If national coverage (including coverage in the sticks) is important to you, go with Verizon. If an uncrippled phone is important to you, go with T-mo. And if the most over-rated, over-hyped piece of Apple crap is important to you, go with AT&T.
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Get a free copy of BitPIM from sourceforge.

Does lots of other things too..

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Re: what about pictures?

Read my post. His phone might be "blocked" same as mine. It is worth a try, though.
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Thats why I like my razr v3xx from att. all I do is plug my razr into my usb port and its just like a thumb drive.

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Re: what about pictures?

said by majortom1029 See Profile :

Thats why I like my razr v3xx from att. all I do is plug my razr into my usb port and its just like a thumb drive.
Yep. I have one of those as well. I love it.

My only complaints are that it scratches too easily if you don't buy a case for it and there is no way to copy all of your contacts to/from the SIM card at once. You must do them one by one.
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I have to kind of sit back and laugh.. as people sit back and moan about Nextel on this website, all these things that people are complaining about by the big boys, ATT, Verizon, and T-mobile, I'm able to do with my Nextel free.

I can transfer my contacts, pictures, files, music, and even use my phone like a drive all for free and by either using the memory card or the USB cable.

I guess this is score one for Nextel users.
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Re: what about pictures?

uh, no, I have ATT and I can do all of that easily w/o paying a dime.
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Re: what about pictures?

uh, topic of this thread again? and the grips so far?

(there's always going to be the exceptions)

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Blackberry GPS

I'll believe it when Verizon turns on my GPS chip on my Blackberry 8830 and allows me to use any GPS application like Telnav. If you say "but wait Verzion allows you to use VZnavigator!" or just buy a GPS puck! I'll say VZnavigaor is BS it uses cell tower triangulation, which is NOT GPS. I also don't want to maintain an additional GPS puck just so I can use all those apps. I want what I paid for in my 8830 which all other carriers have enabled. I paid for it, I want it. Verizon needs to discount all the devices it has crippled, if they want to make me a happy customer.

Now lets not get into the whole "well its a free market, you didn't have to sign up at Verizon". You're right I didn't have too. It's just that my company wants to use Verizon as the only carrier.

If Verizon does this to make it's customers happy then I am all for it. This will be a win win for both Verizon and consumer. Verizon stands to attract and maintain a customer base if they do this right.
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i agree with spamd opinion. It would be nice if the curve was on verizon also. I never noticed until i left verizon how long it takes verizon to get a phone. My example is the bb pearl. It has been out a while for the gsm carrier and it just recently was offered on verizon. Dont get me wrong i like verizon but they are acting like a large monopoly. Since they are so large they can push people around and charge a bit more. Thankfully the other phone companies realize this and capitalize on thier monopoly weakness and profit off of it. An example of this is the crippling of gps, tmobile hotspot (verizon doesnt have this because of their other phone division as competition), crippled bluetooth (like on my motorola v710 of yesterday), added price to tether for internet, etc.

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said by spamd See Profile :

I'll believe it when Verizon turns on my GPS chip on my Blackberry 8830 and allows me to use any GPS application like Telnav. If you say "but wait Verzion allows you to use VZnavigator!" or just buy a GPS puck! I'll say VZnavigaor is BS it uses cell tower triangulation, which is NOT GPS. I also don't want to maintain an additional GPS puck just so I can use all those apps. I want what I paid for in my 8830 which all other carriers have enabled. I paid for it, I want it. Verizon needs to discount all the devices it has crippled, if they want to make me a happy customer.

Now lets not get into the whole "well its a free market, you didn't have to sign up at Verizon". You're right I didn't have too. It's just that my company wants to use Verizon as the only carrier.

If Verizon does this to make it's customers happy then I am all for it. This will be a win win for both Verizon and consumer. Verizon stands to attract and maintain a customer base if they do this right.
I wish this was the only complaint with the 8830. I feel the roaming capability is very clunky. I have to constantly switch the network to manual and select a network that is in their "roaming list". Taiwan is a nightmare since it will always auto-recognize a CDMA network when it is only a single GSM network that you can data roam on. Many times it is hit or miss if they allow data roaming or not. It is not as easy or user friendly as ATT Bberries on the road. I know that Verizon wants to be a world player but they are definately behind the 8 ball on the 8830.
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said by spamd See Profile :

I'll say VZnavigaor is BS it uses cell tower triangulation, which is NOT GPS.
VZ-Nav uses aGPS, which uses either GPS or triangulation or both together, depending on the situation. The "a" is for assisted, which means that the phone gets GPS satellite info from the system, so it can then quickly get a fix on the GPS satellites, with a lot less signal than is required for standalone GPS units. White papers at www.snaptrack.com document how this works.

The (legitimate) complaint with respect to the Blackberry 8830 is that VZW has disabled the standalone GPS functionality.

BigPete

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VoIP software?

Will Verizon allow VoIP software for international calling?

huntml

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Re: VoIP software?

Doubt it. They don't allow any apps that stream on their network according to the current TOS, and VOIP would certainly fall in that category, I would think.

BigPete

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Re: VoIP software?

quote:
Any application the customer chooses will be allowed on these devices.
if thats the case, I wonder what this is supposed to mean...

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Re: VoIP software?

Open device != open network.

huntml

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They said 'any device, any apps' but I heard it reported that in a press conference they also talked about their design standards ensuring that malware is blocked from the network.

As VZ has historically cited network security as a justification for some of the lockdowns they employ, (e.g., the standard VZ UI on phones, no Java, etc.), I read this as a loophole statement leaving them open to blocking implementation of certain apps from approved designs on the basis that they have the potential to compromise network security. But we'll see. As I said, I'm very interested in seeing the actual design specs. when they release them early next year.

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November 27th, @01:08PM

Until I see the actual standards...

...I am going to remain a bit skeptical that this is all that it seems.

For one thing, I've heard it reported that the interface standards will be designed to 'reduce malware on the network,' and VZ has always in the past used this as a justification for not allowing Java/J2ME apps and for walling off their mobile web proxy servers.

For another thing, most people don't know this, but VZ has recently changed their plans for handset mobile web access to being data-based from being airtime-based. A lot of people who use VZ's mobile web used to take advantage of their unlimited N&W minutes to browse the web; now they all have to pay (unless they're on VZ 'unlimited' Mobile Web 2.0 plan, which is still very limited in terms of being a walled garden). What this all means it that allowing more handsets that use data outside of VZ's walled garden would be a nice way to increase data ARPU. I don't know how this thing is going to be implemented, but it wouldn't surprise me if dumbphone users with the $15 Mobile Web plan who use 3d-party browsers to go off the reservation will end up paying additional data charges for it.

For yet another thing, while VZ does allow smartphone users to browse at will, VZ's TOS for smartphone data plans is very, very restrictive. You're only supposed to use it for e-mail, browsing, etc., and nothing that continually or automatically downloads/uploads data. Under this TOS, even things that aren't particularly data-intensive like, say, running google maps with real-time traffic, or your own GPS puck, are not acceptable (according to the letter of the policy) and could be grounds for termination.

Too, as most people interested in such things *do* know, VZ has a defacto cap on their 'unlimited' data for smartphones, which is around 5 GB/mo. This means that many of the things people want to do with mobile data, e.g. streaming audio/video, slingbox, etc., will still not be allowed.

I don't see any indication that any of these policies will be changed.

Then, too, there have been lawsuits relating to carriers' continued locking of handsets after they were off contract which have resulted in Sprint's agreeing to give people their MSLs (master lock codes) after their contract is done, as well as announcing an intention to allow unbranded compatible devices to be activated on their network, so much of this might be VZ's just making a PR opportunity out of something the law/regulators/market was soon going to necessitate that they do anyway.

So though any movement by a major carrier toward opening up its network is to be applauded, I don't yet think there's really much to see here.

It will be really interesting to see the standards when they publish them in early '08.

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I wonder if the Qualcomm Legal Issues are Involved?

The issue of Qualcomm and it's legal troubles may be casting a cloud over Verizon and this might be a knee jerk reaction. If Broadcom gets an injunction then what CDMA phones will be available?

But then, what do I know?

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Re: I wonder if the Qualcomm Legal Issues are Involved?

I don't think it's a factor, as VZ has a side deal with Broadcom that covers any Qualcomm-equipped handsets which might infringe on Broadcom's tech.

Plus, since the lawsuit, Qualcomm-equipped handsets have shown up on other CDMA carriers, e.g., Razr2 and Q9c on Sprint, so I think something must've been worked out between the two chip companies over this; I'm just too lazy to try to find it.

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Re: I wonder if the Qualcomm Legal Issues are Involved?

I'm not sure a sidedeal would be honored if the court issued an injunction. Generally an injunction is without conditions.

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Billing by the bit

I don't mind billing by the bit as long as the price is reasonable.

Ask me what reasonable is. Expect a reasonable answer. Don't expect it to be what AT&T currently charges me for my radio phone for data (I think it's something like $1/K or something -- i.e., unusable).

As an estimate, consider that about 1 gigabyte (that's 8 gigabits in a working network, or much more in a messed up network with packet drops, disconnects, super overhead, etc.) should be under $0.25-$0.35 and dropping like a bucket in air (since equipment costs keep going way down and speed capabilities way up).
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CDMA was never meants to be open

Verizon uses Qualcomm's proprietary CDMA protocols. This was never meant to be "open", and customers were never meant to be able to buy phones on their own and activate them on a network with CDMA.

(GSM on the other hand was architected that way with SIM cards).

So Verizon's announcement is fairly devoid of actual impact, especially since they are making this empty ennouncement now with it only going into effect in a year's time. This is simply a ploy to affect politicians' opinions in the 700mhz auctions.

Remember that due to all the proprietary nature of CDMA as welll as all the patent issues, the number/variety of CDMA handsets is going to remain quite limited. There just isn't a big market of CDMA phone available in stores.

And as long as Sprint locks their handsets, then Verizon can't even accept ex-Sprint customers wanting to bring their Sprint phone over to Verizon. (Unless both Sprint and Verizon decide to allow each other's phones to be switched to each other's network).
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