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Passing 'metropolitan commuter transportation district' tax on to consumers...
(old news - 09:54AM Thursday Feb 26 2009)
tags: legal · business · Verizon Wireless Broadband
Be it wireless or landline, the phone companies have a long history of tacking strange fees and "taxes" below the line on your bill, instead of rolling the entire cost of doing business into the final price. The practice lets companies advertise one price while charging another -- and use the fees to quietly hike prices -- often while blaming the fees on Uncle Sam. While some taxes are obviously legitimate, carriers have often come under fire for pretending some "cost of business" fees are government mandated.

The Federal Government has largely turned a blind eye to the practice, and carriers are only usually pressured toward change by select State Attorneys General or class action suits in States with tough consumer protection laws (like Minnesota). The latest dust-up is in New York, where Verizon Wireless is being sued for tacking a "metropolitan commuter transportation district" tax on to consumer bills. Says the complaint:
"Defendant stated in its monthly bills to consumers, as well as in other places, that this charge was a tax that defendant is 'required by law to bill customers.' In truth, defendant was under no legal obligation to bill customers for this amount since that charge is one that is imposed on wireless providers, not on consumers," stated the lawsuit filed by Albert Levy on behalf of himself and others in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York.
Of course, since this is a real tax imposed on Verizon (unlike the dubious "regulatory recovery" unfees we've complained about in the past) Verizon, who calls the case "silly," probably will win this particular fight. Of course while less shady than the company's nebulous use of other mystery fees, other carriers (like Sprint) include this particular tax in the regular price of advertised service. It once again raises the question over whether all taxes and fees should be included in the total, advertised price for clarity's sake.

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cableties
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Go Levy Go!

I have to say, The US gubberment places a tax on Verizon and Verizon passes it off. What is so unusual about this?
Nothing except that Verizon is the middleman, collects the tax for the gubberment, and I betcha never pays a dime as it pools the fees together, shows a loss with expenses, and Ma Bell finances her retirement once more.

"But mister senator, our customers need phone books, but we outsource and this is a loss! And those txt messages cost oodles to store for 90 days!"

Oodles!!
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jester121
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Re: Go Levy Go!

Sorry, that's not how excise taxes work. You're thinking of income tax, which is only paid on profits. Excise taxes are paid on revenue as soon as the money comes in the door.

Nice try though.

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Show me a business that doesn't ultimately pass on ALL of it's costs to the customer and I'll show you a failing (or failed) business.

It's not that the companies are passing on the costs, everyone understands that they are going to do that. It's that they advertise one price, but the price you end up paying often far exceeds that advertised price with all of the "cost of doing business" fees that they slip in with the fine print.

taxedtaxedtaxed

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ca sales tax

California sales tax is a tax paid by businesses on their sales. Yet they are allowed to pass this cost onto their customers. No difference here. Cost of doing business is always passed onto the customer.
pooker314

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Re: ca sales tax

You're right: the cost of business is usually passed on (or the vendor goes out of business). But that is usually a matter of business necessity rather that statutory necessity. The issue here is how that cost is presented to the consumer. If the cost were included in the base price (in the form of a higher base price), there would be no case here. Verizon can choose to rise its base prices (or not) based on its competitive position and cash flow requirements. Of course, if it raises its advertised base price, its sales will be adversely impacted. Based on this summary, however, Verizon is claiming that it was entitled to advertise what may have been a misleading lower price because they were required by statute to pass this cost on the consumer.

Sales tax laws generally impose the tax on the sale taking place and explicitly require the buyer to pay it (and the retailer to collect it from the buyer at the point of sale). Based on the summary, that might not be the case here. If, as the complaint claims, this is a tax placed on the providers without a requirement that it be billed to the customers, Verizon might have a tough row to hoe. If an ISP were to win under such circumstances, I wonder what would come next? Including corporate income taxes in the list of taxes that Verizon is required to pass on to its customers?
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said by taxedtaxedtaxed :

Cost of doing business is always passed onto the customer.
Yeah, but the telcos are hiding behind weasel words and other wordsmithing to make these additional fees appear to be "taxes".

Someone (I believe right here on DSLR) likened it to buying a movie ticket, only to have an additional fee tacked on for a "Fire Marshal Compliance Recovery Fee". It's part of the cost of doing business -- reflect it in the ultimate cost to the consumer...

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Re: ca sales tax

Yes.

Taxes (required government collection) is different than a 'fee'.

You will find many 'fees' that are tacked onto services - and they vary from carrier to carrier, as does their rate.

Eg. on my wireless bill:
Regulatory Cost Recovery Charge
Federal Universal Service Charge
State Public Utility Charge
California Advanced Services Fund
CHCF A
CHCF B
Relay Service Device Fund
State 911 Tax - *(an actual tax)
Teleconnect Fund
Universal Lifeline

Service is service... tax is tax
The majority of these have been 'deemed' as regulatory items that have been forced on service providers to provide, and they have broken it out and charge them as extra itemized fees.
Until there is a standard baseline fee structure for all carriers forced into law, you will always see these items.
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said by taxedtaxedtaxed :

California sales tax is a tax paid by businesses on their sales. Yet they are allowed to pass this cost onto their customers. No difference here. Cost of doing business is always passed onto the customer.
Considering their customers are their only source of income, all companies' customers pay all of their taxes. I'm not sure why people are so concerned about that, specifically.

The problem I do see is that they're trying to advertise one price and then charge another. THAT is wrong and needs to be stopped.

If they get taxed $1 per customer, it's fine to increase the cost of their products by $1, but they can't advertise their product at the same price and charge the extra dollar anyways.

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Pointless Lawsuit

The customer pays the tax one way or another, either through a line item on the bill or in the form of an increased service charge.

New York is simply trying to exploit Verizon and other cell phone companies in order to pass a hidden tax to the people. What a cowardly move by the government. These taxes need to be shown to people in plain sight so that they know exactly who is responsible for enacting the tax.
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jvanbrecht

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

I disagree with you..

The bill should only be showing State and Federally required taxes below the line. Money that the telco charges the end user and that money goes to the local, state and federal gov, not into verizons coffers. There are lots of charges that companies have to pay to do business, those get rolled up into the advertised price, next thing you know there will be a new line item.... "State electron movement Tax.... In case you did not get it, thats Verizons electricity bill.. oh and lets not forget the "Eco maintenance tax"... landscaping for verizon facilities... I can go on and on.. Charges that verizon has to pay to do business, that needs to be included in the advertised price, otherwise they can keep jacking up what they charge the end user, and keep their advertised prices low while charging more then their competitors. If verizon wants to show people what their cost of operations is, thats fine, show what and how much of that cost of business is rolled up into the advertised price and break it down there, not below the line.

I call that predatory, you are not an idiot (you (pnh102)have been around here long enough.), you should know better.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

I agree with you that "unfees" which are not imposed by any government should be included in the advertised price of the service.

However, this tax is indeed imposed by the state and Verizon is in the right to list it as a line item tax on a subscriber's bill.

I read somewhere that some cell phone customers in New York City were changing the billing addresses on their phones to places like Nowhere, Nevada and going with paperless billing and were able to save a ton in taxes. Has anyone here tried it with any success?
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Jason Levine
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

I wonder if doing that would be legal. It seems like some kind of fraud to me to put down a different billing address (especially a place you don't live) to avoid taxes.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

said by Jason Levine See Profile :

I wonder if doing that would be legal.
Common sense tells you that it is Illegal.
Of course, it's only illegal for those of us who can't afford a sleazy lawyer.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

Or those of us who fly under the radar. The in-laws of a friend of mine regularly report to their insurance company that they live in a state where they have no residence (no property owned, nothing) just to save on their insurance. My friend knows that this is insurance fraud and has considered turning her in-laws in from time to time. (She has a very rocky relationship with them. They've used racist language to refer to her and have threatened to take away her son - with no reason or legal backing.) All it would take is one anonymous phone call.
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People were doing the same thing in Baltimore City (which has a $3.50/line cell phone tax) and Montgomery County (which has a $2.00/line tax.)

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said by moonpuppy See Profile :

People were doing the same thing in Baltimore City (which has a $3.50/line cell phone tax) and Montgomery County (which has a $2.00/line tax.)
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I think it's great that they separate out their regulatory burden. They should point out how gov't burden on business affects the price on every item. If people saw that the price is for example $50 instead of $30 because the business is so heavily taxed and fee'd perhaps people would be more sympathetic when people call for cuts in gov't burdens on business.

I agree they shouldn't advertise $10 then just itemize the bill up to $50, but I think people should see on their $50 bill that for example "$17.50 of your bill goes to pay gov't imposed costs and fees". Every gasoline receipt should show that the real cost of gas is WAY less than the price shown on the pump because the gov't hides the massive sales and excise taxes in the "bottom line". People NEED daily reminders of just how much they're ripped off every day by local, county, state and federal gov't.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

you are overestimating the general public's interest in taxes.

Bit
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

I think a lot of people don't think about it because they aren't seeing it. I believe if they saw it daily, they would be more upset, especially now when so many people are struggling to pay bills while the gov't wastes records amount of money.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

agreed. people that pay quarterly taxes FEEL it more because they have to write a check 4 times a year and know exactly the amount that is leaving their bank accounts.

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said by Bit See Profile :

I think it's great that they separate out their regulatory burden. They should point out how gov't burden on business affects the price on every item. If people saw that the price is for example $50 instead of $30 because the business is so heavily taxed and fee'd perhaps people would be more sympathetic when people call for cuts in gov't burdens on business.

I agree they shouldn't advertise $10 then just itemize the bill up to $50, but I think people should see on their $50 bill that for example "$17.50 of your bill goes to pay gov't imposed costs and fees". Every gasoline receipt should show that the real cost of gas is WAY less than the price shown on the pump because the gov't hides the massive sales and excise taxes in the "bottom line". People NEED daily reminders of just how much they're ripped off every day by local, county, state and federal gov't.
I could not have said it better myself. It's all a load of crap anyway. The government just keeps finding ways to take money, via some or another form of taxation, so they can keep printing (and spending) more money!

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Except that the tax is on Verizon, not the customer. Verizon is the one who is obligated to pay it and thus it becomes a cost of doing business. Verizon doesn't need to break out each and every one of its costs on the bill. You need not see a "Server Room Electricity Bill Fee" or a "Replacement Water Bottles For the Cooler On The Fourth Floor Fee." If Verizon files for some patents (likely) and pays a fee, should customers see "Patent Application Fee" on their bill? Of course not.

Those things would raise the cost of service (some more than others) since Verizon would be paying for them with money from their customers. What Verizon is really doing is lowering the advertised cost of their service by moving some cost-of-business items out of the main price and into "hidden taxes/fees" that don't get shown until you actually get your bill. So they can advertise, say, $19.95 for a plan and not $29.95 (with hidden fees/taxes).
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

said by Jason Levine See Profile :

Except that the tax is on Verizon, not the customer.
Nope.

No business pays any taxes. All taxes imposed on a business are passed directly down to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Verizon is perfectly right to list this tax on the bill.

If anything, this lawsuit might even compel other carriers to do the same thing. People should be allowed to see how much the government takes from them every month by way of their cell phone bills.
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Jason Levine
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

Businesses do pay taxes even if the money for those taxes comes from their customers (in the form of higher prices). If they want to list it, that's fine. I wouldn't oppose them listing a full breakdown of where their price comes from including paying their electric bill. What I oppose is when they take these "cost of business" items, break them out of the advertised price of the service, and only show them to the customer *AFTER* the customer has signed up (and is bound by a contract in the case of wireless). If the service has $10 in "hidden taxes/fees", they should advertise their service as $29.95/month, not $19.95/month.

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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

What I oppose is when they take these "cost of business" items, break them out of the advertised price of the service, and only show them to the customer *AFTER* the customer has signed up (and is bound by a contract in the case of wireless). If the service has $10 in "hidden taxes/fees", they should advertise their service as $29.95/month, not $19.95/month.
I agree with you.

The advertised price of the service should include all of the business costs, regardless of breakdown. I just feel that government imposed taxes should be listed separately.
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

Including income taxes? What about property taxes the companies must pay on their facilities? The employment taxes they must pay (FICA/FUTA)? Workers' comp premiums (required by all states)? If ALL taxes and government imposed fees of every kind were taken out of the advertised base price (regardless of whether or not a statute requires them to be passed on to the customer), that price would soon have no meaning since the tax obligations of the various vendors would likely be very different.

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said by pooker314 See Profile :

Including income taxes? What about property taxes the companies must pay on their facilities? The employment taxes they must pay (FICA/FUTA)? Workers' comp premiums (required by all states)?
Income and property taxes might not be a bad idea either, as these too are paid right by the business' customers. Employment taxes on the other hand are paid for by the employee.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Employment taxes on the other hand are paid for by the employee.
Well, only part of them - the employer pays HALF of each employees Medicare and FICA ("social security") taxes, which is a boatload...
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

said by jay_rm See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Employment taxes on the other hand are paid for by the employee.
Well, only part of them - the employer pays HALF of each employees Medicare and FICA ("social security") taxes, which is a boatload...
no the whole thing is paid by the employee, just the employee only sees half on his check. business's look at total costs when hiring someone not just the salary.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

said by plat2on1 See Profile :

no the whole thing is paid by the employee, just the employee only sees half on his check. business's look at total costs when hiring someone not just the salary.
No. The employer pays the employer's half. They may choose to look at the total cost of having an employee to include the employee's salary (including their taxes) as well as the companies share of taxes, but it's not the employee that is paying the whole amount but only half showing up on the pay stub. If the employee was indeed paying the full amount, it would be the employee that would get to deduct the whole amount as a tax. Rather, it's the employer that gets to deduct that half.
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There are 2 types of "taxes"

1) There are taxes that are aimed at the business itself.
2) There are taxes that the gov (state local or/and fed) mandate that the carrier collects for the gov.

No 2 is the one that should only be listed below the line, outside of the advertised price.

No 1 is the cost of doing business, yes that cost is passed on the the consumer, I have no issues with that. These costs however should not be listed outside of the advertised price, these are the costs that they pass on to the user to recoup their expenses, this is money that goes back into the carriers pockets to cover the cost of the taxes they paid to teh gov.
I have no issue with them including a breakdown of what the gov charges them, and hell they can throw everything else in there if they want to create a list of how they come to their advertised prices.

Just don't sneak them into the un-fee area to keep the advertised price down....

Currently, I pay almost 30$ is "fees" on top of my normal price, that is absolutely rediculous when only about $10 of that is actual gov mandated/law the rest is lining the carriers pockets.
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You are incorrect about this. This is a fee directly charged to THEM and is thus a cost of business. They have every right to include this in the cost of their service as they are not collecting this for the state or the federal government as they do with Sales taxes and other taxes. And thus we have the problem.. they are NOT including this in the cost of their service. They are taking the cost out so they can advertise lower price and then adding the cost back in.

By your theory they could very well advertise their service as Free, because it doesn't really cost them a penny to actually say they provide the service. Then they can start adding in the their expenses below the line to come up to their current price.

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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

said by Skippy25 See Profile :

You are incorrect about this. This is a fee directly charged to THEM and is thus a cost of business.
And you're right. But the tax, like every other tax, is passed on directly to the consumer. It should be listed as a separate line item tax.
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Re: Pointless Lawsuit

I know I am right and you are still wrong.

This is a cost to produce and sell their product, PERIOD. This is not disputable in any form. This cost is no different than electricity to run plants, water to cool equipment, or employees to perform work. Every single one of these expenses are considered in pricing to come to a sale price that makes the company a profit over and above cost. This is nothing more than a marketing ploy to be able to advertise a lower price than what they can offer. PERIOD and it is the ONLY reason it is added below the line.

This is NOT a tax imposed on the customer as a result of a sale that the company is in charge of collecting on behalf of a federal or a state agency.

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said by Skippy25 See Profile :

I know I am right and you are still wrong.
Ok so I should just accept that?

Again, since many people here seem to lack an understanding of how business operates, I will explain it. All taxes on business, no matter what, are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Taxes are no different than any other form of business overhead which also gets passed onto the consumer.

The people have a right to know that New York (or whatever government) is trying to take even more money from them.
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Government is just pissed that Verizon isn't letting them hide the gov't greed.

If people actually had to pay all these stupid taxes separately, they saw the gas excise taxes on a separate line etc, if there were no income tax withholdings on their checks, so that at the end of the year they had to cut a fat check to greedy Uncle Sam, it would be a revolution. We are taxed to DEATH and pay more and more every year with most taken bits at a time, like the boiling frog who is cooked before he realizes he's in hot water.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

The customer pays the tax one way or another, either through a line item on the bill or in the form of an increased service charge.

New York is simply trying to exploit Verizon and other cell phone companies in order to pass a hidden tax to the people. What a cowardly move by the government. These taxes need to be shown to people in plain sight so that they know exactly who is responsible for enacting the tax.
The heat should be directed at NY pols for this one. It is they who often try to hide taxes from the public. And that is why many businesses now include the taxes on their bills. To show the public the nefarious tricks of the pols on their never ending search for more tax money.

Maybe these lawyers filing this suit would better serve the public by suing NY and not Verizon.
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Karl this is just silly

It once again raises the question over whether all taxes and fees should be included in the total, advertised price for clarity's sake.
So which taxes are suppose to be included in the advertised price and from which taxing district? While it might not be too cumbersome to do it in a state where taxes are only done at the state level, most states have taxing authorities at state, county and municipality level. Illinois is one of the worst. Every little burg in that state has their own taxes they apply to phone service; there are more then a hundred separate ones. So what price do you advertise? In many cases, taxes are mandated but the Telcos are barred from listing them as taxes because that tax authority doesn't want people to know they are being taxed.
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Re: Karl this is just silly

One would present a range and state that the final price depends on location. Or a company could use the highest rate in its ads and add a "or lower" to any mention of the price.

Edit: Or the company could use its weight (i.e., lobbyists) to try to eliminate some of these taxes.

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Many of these carriers are already varying their prices by location based on competition, how hard is it really to build a system that takes all local taxes into account before the customer signs on the dotted line?

In many cases, taxes are mandated but the Telcos are barred from listing them as taxes because that tax authority doesn't want people to know they are being taxed.
Do you have a source for this? I've heard of it, but I'd like to see some concrete examples...

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Re: Karl this is just silly

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Many of these carriers are already varying their prices by location based on competition, how hard is it really to build a system that takes all local taxes into account before the customer signs on the dotted line?
For most areas it isn't difficult. But for areas like NE Illinois, it's a nightmare. There are more then 20 taxing authorities for Chicago and it's suburbs. You have a Federal taxes (easy), then state (easy), then regional MTA (harder), then every little town around there. You can walk across a street and your taxes change. So rolling them up into a single price for a market like that just isn't feasible.

I do agree with you however that when you call for service, they should be able to give you an exact price including all taxes for the billing address.
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Unfees began with Bell System breakup.

When the Bell System was broken up, the Fed's gave the telephone companies the right to charge the first unfee, the customer access line charge. The customer access line charge was to replace the part of the moneys received by the telephone companies from AT&T Longlines for using the local telephone companies network to complete long distance calls. The telephone industry got on the band wagon and began adding additional fees to cover other normal business expenses.

It is time for the Fed's to require all service providers to include all unfees in any price quotation. All the service provider needs is the customers service address to properly calculate the proposed monthly charge. Why should a customer be quoted $50.00 per month for a service and receive a bill for $62.50. After the customer receives the first bill and reads the fine print they see that the price quoted did not include an additional 20% to 25% to be added to the quoted in taxes and unfees.

The Feds need to pass a new law called the "Truth in Pricing Law" that requires any service provider engaged in interstate commerce to accurately disclose the actual cost to the customer when presenting any price quotation.
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Re: Unfees began with Bell System breakup.

IMHO, all taxes and government fees should be below the line so the customer can understand who is screwing him/her.
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AT&T AND VERIZON BILLS

In Michigan both these wireless carriers have taxes and other fees up the ass. I have no idea what means what on my AT&T wireless bill but it seams kind of bull crap they tax so much. In Michigan my cousin has a Metro PCS and it just one flat rate fee no taxes added into that crap nothing.

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Re: AT&T AND VERIZON BILLS

i was just going to say why does not evey one goto metro pcs or even boost mobile there both only $50 bucks each.
i dont know about metro but i know that the $50 dollars for boost is including every single things

umm i wonder no contract $50 dollars a month

and not to mention its unlimited every thing unlimited text voice and walkie

they just added call waiting too the list of things you can get with boost now too thats free
if i remember right i think that the metro pcs be trying to charge more for that

any ways theres other and better stuff out there then verizon

if you like taking it raw in the butt then just keep dealing with them
Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Re: AT&T AND VERIZON BILLS

For various reasons, I haven't done a lot of research on wireless companies, but are metro pcs and boost very localized carriers? I know that here, cricket, at least the last time I checked had very limited coverage, i.e. nothing out of major cities.

anon me

@senescomarine.com

Re: AT&T AND VERIZON BILLS

boost is nation wide metro just started to come in to my state i live in rhode island

i have heard of cricket i guess thats in more south states and the same can be said of metro pcs

but boost is the same thing as nextel but its the prepaid nextel if you want to call it that
thats what it works out to be
Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Re: AT&T AND VERIZON BILLS

At least cricket started out down here. They are owned, I believe, but may have changed, by an Alaskan Native Corporation, and were only in the larger cities, Austin, Dallas, Houston, but nowhere near the boonies where I need coverage for my cell.

I think they are marketing to the teenybooper, college student, etc.

anon me

@senescomarine.com

Re: AT&T AND VERIZON BILLS

thats what boost has been doing for a long time now and seems that metro is going after the same markets leading boost to have the price cut they just made its been less then a month sense they went to the 50$ every thing

i got friends that live on the phone all day with there texting and talkin they got the flex pay its prepaid for t-mobile and there sidekicks over a 100 a month
i dont see it worth it but then again my cell is paid for by my job too so i dont know but for 50 bucks i dont think that you can really go to wrong if your just using just voice and text the walkie talkie is just a addes bonus if you ask me
for boost

metro is just text and voice that i know of
and only in some city's
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

prepaid wireless

this is exactly why prepaid wireless plans are becoming so popular... the price is, what the price is (tracfone & net10 are the simplest & cheapeast options). end of story.

Though, if that's the case.. those fancy schmancy $600 phones will have to come down in price if consumers out of contract can afford them.
Answer Guy

join:2006-07-28
Grass Lake, MI

How about this?

I think everyone is looking at this the wrong way. Verizon wants to show the same cost of a plan from area to area in a particular region. Nobody would understand that a $60 a month plan on one side of the street would then be a $65 dollar plan on the other side of the street. The difference being that each side falls into a different township or city and the taxes are different in each. How could you possibly advertise in this area? You have to show one price and make tax adjustments after the fact.

joako
Premium
join:2000-09-07
/dev/null
·AT&T U-Verse

For all those that agree with Verizon....

How about the new offer, "FREE MOBILE PHONE SERVICE *"

*Service subject to a 2-year agreement and use of a crap locked-down, watered-down phone. Free service subject to certain fees that are not deemed illegal by the government. Tower fee, interconnect fee, fee-for-the-paper-your-bill is printed on, fee-for-the toner-used-to-print your bill, fee to pay for customer service expenses, fee to show shareholderes profit. Fees subject to change without notice.
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hugonator

@bellsouth.net

Re: For all those that agree with Verizon....

I like how they do it in the UK.

What you see is what you pay.
pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland

What will this add to a wireless phone bill?

What will this new tax add to a $100 wireless phone bill?
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