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Verizon Wireless To Follow AT&T, Kill Unlimited Wireless Data
They'll also likely lie and tell you it's for your own good...
by Karl Bode Friday 18-Jun-2010 tags: prices · business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · trouble · consumers · AT&T · Verizon · wireless
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This week saw some people opining that with AT&T's new, expensive wireless data plans in play, Verizon could better compete if they retained unlimited wireless data tiers. As we noted the other day, that's simply not happening. Verizon, just like AT&T, is a huge fan of nickel and diming customers at absolutely every conceivable opportunity. Like AT&T, Verizon wants to counter the SMS and voice revenues they'll ultimately lose to mobile VoIP and smartphone IM services -- and retain control in the face of the smartphone (r)evolution -- by constricting the pipe and jacking up the price of wireless data.

AT&T and Verizon both have the luxury of being so incredibly large and politically powerful, they don't really have to care if their subscribers don't like it. Both companies soften the blow by designing tiers that provide the illusion of value -- but upon closer inspection are always designed to nudge most consumers toward increasingly-expensive monthly bills. Verizon's current wireless data pricing is already fairly awful, and gets worse once you factor in overages, fees, penalties, ETFs, and a universe of other surcharges.

For literally about the hundredth time this year -- Verizon this week hinted that wireless data pricing will soon be getting worse. Speaking to Business Week, Verizon CFO John Killian hinted that they'll be following in AT&T's footsteps and eliminating wireless data plans this year. The article, which fails to actually ask Verizon any questions, features almost on cue support for the idea from industry quote machine and Sanford Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett -- who has been pushing carriers to kill unlimited for the sake of investors. Unlimited tiers will likely die when Verizon introduces LTE to market:

"We will probably need to change the design of our pricing where it will not be totally unlimited, flat rate," John Killian, chief financial officer of Verizon Communications Inc., the wireless unit's parent, said in an interview at Bloomberg's headquarters in New York today. The company anticipates "explosions in data traffic" over wireless networks as new phones on 4G networks incorporate data- heavy applications, such as video downloads, he said.

Business Week doesn't bother to pressure Killian on this claim that congestion (not greed) is the driving force for the desire to eliminate unlimited, despite the significant capacity boost Verizon will see from implementing LTE. Again, the desire to impose low caps and overages is about money -- not about altruism, congestion, saving endangered species, or whatever justification AT&T and Verizon use this week. While some type of wireless caps may be necessary, there's a lot more leg room as we push toward 4G services. Here's industry analyst Dave Burstein from a recent piece on AT&T (and now Verizon's) move:

Two of the best engineers in the U.S. tell me wireless congestion can be almost eliminated except at Katrina type emergencies with 5 and 10 gigabyte caps. Models from Adtran suggest 20-30 gig caps (or higher) are practical in the LTE generation. There's nothing wrong with caps if they are economically sensible. The problem is that AT&T placed the cap much too low.

You'll note that ISPs never provide hard data supporting their claim that a bandwidth apocalypse is inevitable if they can't introduce ultra-low caps and ultra-high overages (be they on terrestrial or wireless networks), and that's because that data doesn't exist. Of course with AT&T and Verizon making a bold new cash grab, this opens the door further for Sprint, T-Mobile and a growing number of prepaid operators to compete by introducing wireless data pricing models that don't require second mortgages.

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ptrowski
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Welcome to the club....

Just like I mentioned it was only a matter of time until others followed suit, and here they come.

Geminimind
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Re: Welcome to the club....

people leave vzw thats all you do is leave and att.

Londo

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And that's what I just did, dropped AT&T and went with an unlimited data plan with Virgin Mobile for the same cost as my current phone-only plan with AT&T even with my national discount! Goodbye crappy customer "service" and high costs.

ssj4android
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Re: Welcome to the club....

I don't trust that to be unlimited. I asked their customer service if they had the same 5GB cap as as Sprint and they had no idea what I was talking about.
Virgin Mobile still blocks downloads (midi/applications/etc) from anywhere but them. And they disable features on the phones to make you pay for things like picture messaging.
Except the Blackberry, apparently.

Geminimind
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Good for you!! that's all you have to do.
Kearnstd
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hey its America, our telecom providers are not about being first rate in the world. but simply making their investors as much money as possible while pissing all over the consumer because they know the other guys are doing the same thing or their high ETFs jail the customer into their service.

the main reason at least imo that they grandfather in existing customers is because a customer could refuse to pay the new charges and state the contract they signed stated unlimited.(of course the contracts likely also state rates subject to change).
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The cowsumers will take it and smile. They will bitch in forums and make general threats about leaving, but they won't. Mean while the congregation at the church of apple will flock to their nearest cathedral to pick up the latest version of the apple bible on their shiny new iphones. AT&T (who can only see in black or white) will see an increase in sales (iphones) which will make them think that they made the right decision.

Consumers don't have any effect if they take what they are fed. If they would make a little noise things would change. Don't place the blame completely on the carriers.

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said by battleop:

The cowsumers will take it and smile. They will bitch in forums and make general threats about leaving, but they won't.

Consumers don't have any effect if they take what they are fed. If they would make a little noise things would change. Don't place the blame completely on the carriers.
When VZW forced most users to carry at least a 25mb data plan, I did exactly that!! I switched to Sprint. I finally got tired of Verizon nickle-and-diming me to death! I know that Sprint's network isn't as good as Verizon's, but it isn't bad in my experience. From unlimited data (5GB) to more minutes than we can use, we couldn't be happier with our plan. Plus, it's much less than we would pay for Verizon, even with an employer discount.

battleop

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"I know that Sprint's network isn't as good as Verizon's"

I went from Sprint to Verizon and would have to say that Sprint's network was faster and had better coverage than Verizon and AT&T in the places that I travel to. My last employer supplied Sprint phones and my current one supplies Verizon phones. If I were to get a personal phone I would get one from Sprint.

Geminimind
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I left vzw for sprint and have had a good experience I am a member of a credit union so it made it cheaper than vzw, and they do nickel and dime you and the prices and plans are way to expensive. Sprints voice network needs a little improvement but that internet works damn good. Now my whole family is looking to get away from vzw cause they see all what my phone does for one set plan price.
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You're absolutely right! American telecom providers are about making money, not taking care of customers or providing good service. I'm always shocked when I visit Europe and find out how pervasive cell phone service is.

I live in West Suburban Boston, on Verizon wireless, and once you are outside route 128, cell service is not good unless you are very close to a major highway like Mass Pike, Routes 2,3, or 93. In my local neighborhood, I drop probably half of incoming calls, and I'm only 4 miles from 128.
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I have worked all over the us and never had that issue in mass at all, matter of fact I never had that issue any where except mountain areas with vzw.

I'd maybe check the quality of the phone, moto phones as bad as they are designed have unreal reception.
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For anyone that believes you can have competition in a mega-corporate environment, well, enjoy...

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said by SLD:

For anyone that believes you can have competition in a mega-corporate environment, well, enjoy...
It coincides well with the renewed rumor of a CDMA iPhone over the holidays.
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said by ptrowski:

said by SLD:

For anyone that believes you can have competition in a mega-corporate environment, well, enjoy...
It coincides well with the renewed rumor of a CDMA iPhone over the holidays.
Would that be the same rumor that has been going around for ages now? .. the one about the provider in, what country was that, china or japan or something, that operates CDMA and has expressed strong interest in the CDMA iPhone?

Perhaps you're right.

On a side note, I think it's funny how everyone that talks about a CDMA iPhone always assumes it's Verizon, if its going to come to the U.S., and never includes Sprint, who as you know is also CDMA.

The bottom line is that apple doesn't talk (and quite honestly that's a good thing in the day and age of the rumor mill blogger's world) about their plans until THEY are ready to release anything.

Apple has surprised everyone in the past with their announcements an OFTEN proves these rumors to either be wrong, or out in left field as to the ACTUAL plan pending.

Personally, I think it's great that companies don't talk until they have things finalized and THEY are ready to make the announcements (rather than the old days of hints and leaks) as we all see what happens when someone gets a crazy idea in their head. The rumors fly, people get up in arms about what's coming, are often wrong, and ultimately it's the apples, comcast's, and at&t's of the world that get blamed for deceiving in the long run.

But, for me at least, I'm letting this be just what it is in my mind - a rumor and nothing more. What good is it to me knowing now rather than later if something may or may not happen. Even if a rumor, say, were to come out that an iPhone would come out on Verizon.. if I need a phone now, I'm shopping now and not waiting to see IF something happens.

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said by SLD:

For anyone that believes you can have competition in a mega-corporate environment, well, enjoy...
because T-Mobile and Sprint don't exist or because Clear, Cricket, and others are quickly gaining market share at lower price points and more unlimited offerings?
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SLD
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Uh, no. Because you cannot get equal service from all those providers, and those who rise to the top fall in line with each other. This article simply makes the point.

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This type of pricing and caps are inevitable for at least 2 reasons:

1 - there is limited wireless capacity available and the rapidly increasing demand for wireless video will put pressure on the capacity available. Pricing mechanisms are the fairest way to allocate usage of the bandwidth.

2 - The continuing push for more regulation and for network neutrality can cause costs to go up and foreclose options for pricing flexibility. In other words, get the new pricing mechanism in before some gov't regulators foreclose on the option.
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3 - Reluctance to reinvest in infrastructure to keep pace with demand despite record profits.
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People continue to trot out this misinformation, contrary to the telecoms' financial documents showing billions being spent on CAPEX.

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said by Z80A:

3 - Reluctance to reinvest in infrastructure to keep pace with demand despite record profits.
»www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/06/···4.apple/
In an effort to deal with the surge in usage, AT&T increased its capital spending budget to between $18 billion and $19 billion in 2010. It promised to use a portion of the money to upgrade its wireless and backhaul networks to handle the onslaught of new wireless traffic. This is roughly $2 billion more than the company had invested in the previous year.

The upgrades include the addition of 2,000 new cell sites. AT&T has also been adding three times more fiber links to existing cell sites than it had in 2009. This will increase capacity for the backhaul network that connects the cell towers to AT&T's main network. The backhaul portion of the network is a critical component to AT&T's network.
»www.marketwatch.com/story/verizo···10-04-22
Capital expenditures totaled $3.5 billion in the first quarter of 2010. Verizon reiterated its guidance that total 2010 capital spending will range from $16.8 billion to $17.2 billion.
50% of Verizon's cap expenditures go to Wireless. And about the same % for AT&T.

Cap expenditures are running about 4x their profits. So to say that they aren't investing in infrastructure is wrong.
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Re: Welcome to the club....

The thing is that AT&T is adding tons of customers and the capex isn't keeping up. For what it's worth, dividing capex over all of AT&T's 87 million customers you get $218 per year per customer. Not bad considering there's OpEx involved and profits have to fit somewhere, but that amount is less than what a user would spend over a year on the iPhone data plan if we're talking about 2GB, and less than any contract-bound user pays as long as you don't count add-a-line.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't AT&T ARPU somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 at this point? Even with capex they're still making a healthy profit...

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Spending more doesn't mean anything if usage growth far exceeds spending growth. And IF you're claiming they are spending enough then you are making the case that AT&T's new caps are absolutely unjustified by the financials since they were highly profitable without the caps.

So either the network is hurting and they need to cap (they aren't spending enough to keep up with demand), or they are spending enough to keep up with demand thus caps aren't justified.

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Hopefully underrated Sprint and T-Mobile pick up customers that truly want unlimited data plans.
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Re: Welcome to the club....

From what I read, T-Mobile doesn't have the cap, but they traffic shape or throttle throughput for users after a certain point.
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Re: Welcome to the club....

I hear MetroPCS subject you to awful music and 24-hour streaming of their self-indulgent commercials straight to your handset.

Geminimind
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Metropcs is making extremely cheap phones. My friend bought this rugged motorola phone (yeah right) and it broke and they told him he had no insurance and he asked for it when he bought the phone. The clerk never put insurance on his phone. So if you have metro make sure you have insurance cause those phones are cheaply made. They are not as good as post paid phones.
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Apparently that limit is somewhere around 10GB though (T-Mo site says 5GB but this appears not to be the case).

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Even 5GB is quite a bit for mobile unless you are watching a crapload of video. 10GB should be more then plenty for 99% of their users. I can't think of anything I could do that would eat up 10GB other than tether.
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said by ptrowski:

Just like I mentioned it was only a matter of time until others followed suit, and here they come.
a matter of time? i was hoping they would have waited a few weeks at least.

ptrowski
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said by FBGuy:

said by ptrowski:

Just like I mentioned it was only a matter of time until others followed suit, and here they come.
a matter of time? i was hoping they would have waited a few weeks at least.
I know huh? I was thinking the same thing.
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iansltx

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They are. They're just talking about capping, not actually doing it...

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VZ Wireless's Official Statement

"After exhaustive research into our customers's usage habits that spanned six months, we found 99% use less than 1 megabyte a month except for VCast. So, we are charging $30 for 5 gigs and VCast will do all the rest."
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Re: Welcome to the club....

Quite honestly, the customers are the one asking for this. MANY customers are looking for every way possible to not use minutes of the provider at hand. They're wanting vonage mobile, skype, and other forms of VOICE communications on their phone and do an end run around every voice provider as it stands.

Quite honestly, what are the carriers supposed to do? .. sit back and let it happen and erode income in the process as people shift towards data use?

So the customer takes the lowest amounts of minutes and buys the $30 data plans that will in a sense "replace" voice units.. as it stands, voice is sold in buckets and isn't cheap. (At least American Thieves & Thugs allows you to roll over minutes unused making your minutes worth more than say Sprint and Verizon)

So if the shift is towards data use, it's only natural that they're going to start modeling data after voice rates. People want 'dumb pipes' and this is what the people are going to get. People don't like hearing things like "unlimited" along side of "network management" either. People also can't expect that companies will invest Billions into their network to meet these needs of the customers and not recoup those investments back from the source that causes the need for upgrade. Unlimited data isn't something that will ever last for ever.. in fact, the unlimited model of anything, as history shows, comes and goes. Unlimited voice, even, comes at a much higher price as well.

So really, I don't see what the issue here is. If someone wants the CONVENIENCE of having mobile data at their every beckon they should be paying for that. For what ever reason people have or need wireless data, it's a choice THEY make on their own. I've head people say they want to stream radio - fine, the more and more you do, the more you're going to consume and the more investment has to be made to handle that. Unlimited data isn't going to live long with that desire. People justify using a lot of data, as has been stated, because "I want to watch a video while sitting in a doctor's office waiting room".. again, another CHOICE people have made. No matter what the need, it's a choice, not a necessity.

Much of the data that's being consumed in higher chunks are quite honestly entertainment based anyway. The more people want to entertain themselves and have that convenience, again, at their beckon, it's only right they need to expect to pay more. If I were to be honest about it, a lot of the data being pushed isn't anything that makes the world go around, rather, its ways to keep one's self occupied and pass the time. If THAT kind of data is going to be the driving force behind "more data" (and it is - no one TRULY needs to have HQ video on the go, they WANT it) then they need to expect that the model and times are shifting as will the data plans.

Personally, 5GB data on mobile devices would seem more reasonable instead of 2GB, but it's their networks and they can price it as they see fit. However, even 2GB of data on a wireless handset is PLENTY for most mobile "needs".. .if someone is consuming more than 2GB, then they're quite honestly "screwing off and passing the time" which is most commonly called "a luxury".. and in this country we pay for luxury.

On a side note: Sprint's Any Mobile, Anytime plans was brilliant. They're not a wireline provider so their attitude is to help erode landline sales in favor of their wireless service. This move also helps stop the rush to skype and other mobile Voip calling to help keep that kinda data rush off their data network. IN my opinion, as it stands, SPRINT is the only carrier being honest in their moves and network management.

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They can try it but that is the same mentality they used with their wireline service which has since been DECIMATED by competitors.
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That's all well and good but I feel you are leaving out a few important points.

One of the big talking points over the past few years from telco lobbyists has been wireline services do not need to be regulated because there is plenty of competition. One of their shining examples is the wireless data market. But wireless can not be a true competitor to wireline with such low caps.

Also as Mr. Burstein points out in his analysis, the networks can handle bigger caps. With LTE being more efficient than 3g will we see more reasonable caps introduced as that service is rolled out? If it was truly a move to protect the network, the caps would be based on what the engineers are saying the network can handle. The fact that they are so low is to stifle the migration to the services you talk about in your post. If we had a real competitive market it wouldn't be a problem, as AT&T and Verizon would be punished by the market place. But the government has allowed them to grow so huge through mergers, that their power over Sprint and T-mobile is immense.

It's like with wireline. They never offered unlimited voice service until the cable companies came along with their unlimited service and started bleeding their business. Luckily we had a 2nd pipe into the home that was easily able to launch a competing service after investing in the technology. Any newcomer into the wireless market will not start with the same coverage T and VZ have. That was cable's trojan horse. Already being hooked up to almost every home.

For the record I do not subscribe to a wireless data service.
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said by fiberguy:

Quite honestly, the customers are the one asking for this. MANY customers are looking for every way possible to not use minutes of the provider at hand. They're wanting vonage mobile, skype, and other forms of VOICE communications on their phone and do an end run around every voice provider as it stands.
Yes, I am sure that customers asked to be charged more for less services, that seems like a honest expectation.

The customers' already pay for a base number of minutes. The fact that they are finding ways to use voice communication without being ripped off for using more minutes at high prices is a GOOD THING.
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You should try to stop prefacing your industry propping comments with "if I were honest about it" and "quite honestly".Your comments have nothing to do with honesty, but with advancing the telecom's industry greedy excuses to rip off customers.
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The difference is that Verizon appears not to be going the 2GB cap route at this time, and probably won't ever have that at their highest smartphone cap at any point. If they were going to do that, they would have already, rather than starting their own PR bubble due to such an event.
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hey they can do it all the want. just add me as one more person who won't be giving them my business. When I cancel I'll be quite clear about who it's the caps.
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and this is why we may need the goverment to step in and give us the net neutarlity somehow.
i dislike the goverment but i dislike greedy asses who gouge us consumers so what can we really do

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said by gorehound:

and this is why we may need the goverment to step in and give us the net neutarlity somehow.
i dislike the goverment but i dislike greedy asses who gouge us consumers so what can we really do
And with government running everything the greedy gov't losers can throw you in prison when you don't pay. That is so much better.
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I'll take legislated Net Neutrality over ISP double dipping and extortion.

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And there goes all the cool things unlimited brought, oh well things that good only last a short time, to bad others went the ATT way, greed rules.
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said by ptrowski:

Just like I mentioned it was only a matter of time until others followed suit, and here they come.
Verizon has been anti-consumer since the beginning of time. This was bound to happen, but all those people who say "oh Verizon is such a great company" are obviously blind to the obvious. Sure, you may get better coverage, but at what cost?
Ignorance is a bliss.

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yeah well all I can say is adios to Verizon after a decade as a wireless customer and hello METROPCS all I can use for 45.00

and next is bye bye the land line and the fios tv, going to better markets. I've had it with the nickel and dime crap

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Sprint here we come

after 20 year with Verizon Wirele$$, i would like to be the first one to say bye bye.
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Keep your fngers crossed on TMO and Sprint

One can only hope that Sprint sees the huge opportunity they have with 4g and staying unlimited and the potential for huge customer gains if they don't join the club.
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xenophon

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Re: Keep your fngers crossed on TMO and Sprint

Sprint/Clear will likely continue 4G unlimited for a while but if they do eventually have caps, it will likely be comparable to the cable industry as they want to compete with low end cable.

I'd also expect Sprint to keep Premium Data service ($10 EVO tax) as unlimited and get rid of unlimited for non-premium users, probably sooner than later.

Tmobile will probably continue to differentiate by not having caps, but reducing performance after hitting 5GB. Sprint might do it too for non-premium data accounts.
MichaelPea

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Verizons pricing/pickpocket game

Of course that's what they want. Several months ago, I had to get a couple new phones and almost of the phones REQUIRE you to purchase a data plan. Even some of the dumbest phones that had only very basic data capabiities. Now that they've managed to make that mandatory, they're raising prices.....naturally!
NyNexit

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wellll...... it was good while it lasted

Does this really surprise anyone? I've been a VZW customer for the last ten years, but I'm leaving as soon as my contract is up. There are better deals to be had in the NYC area.
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Re: wellll...... it was good while it lasted

Considering you live on long island and have cablevision you just need a phone with wifi since cablevision has optimum wifi on long island.
NyNexit

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Re: wellll...... it was good while it lasted

I have an I touch, with Skype which I use for international calls, but for all calls its not practical since optimum wi-fi is not available in residential areas. Nice Idea though.
shadowgod

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Re: wellll...... it was good while it lasted

Huh? My Optimum Wi-Fi is available all over town, including residental areas.

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Re: wellll...... it was good while it lasted

said by shadowgod:

Huh? My Optimum Wi-Fi is available all over town, including residental areas.
My dad has it in Yonkers, and he is nowhere near a commercial area. I have it in Jersey, but I'm near a train station.
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basit

join:2003-11-25
Portsmouth, VA

What will Cox Wireless do?

Cox is supposed to be introducing their wireless telephone service soon, I wonder what their plan is? Has anybody heard anything about monthly fees or data plans?

Jahntassa
What, I can have feathers
Premium
join:2006-04-14
Conway, SC
kudos:4

And back to 1996.

Anyone else remember the days when you paid by the minute for internet access? Back before AOL's $20/mo 'unlimited' dial-up plan?

Yeah, sounds like we're heading back that way, but with data, except now with a 300% markup!

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FloridaBoy

join:2009-06-22
Bradenton, FL

Well...

This makes me glad I dont have a cell.
bluedyedvd

join:2007-04-15
Overland Park, KS

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this sin't like the wired industry

wireless has alot competition granted the service isn't so great with some of the little guys but if they get more customers that will improve. The little guys where first to offer unlimited voice now they all offer it. I know cable companies love the idea of caps but in this case they might use unlimited to get in the wireless market
shadowgod

join:2001-12-08
Torrington, CT

Just switch to Sprint

Just switch to Sprint, best phones, best prices, and UNLIMITED data.

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glinc

join:2009-04-07
New York, NY

Die

I hope they burn in hell. Paying $130 for FiOS and about $190 for VZW.

I guess I could deal with T-mobile lower prices after I switch.

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tbagz

@cox.net

GET SPRINT!

I loooove my Sprint service, best rates, best service and excellent phones.
Once again I am glad I am a Sprint customer!!
Any mobile anytime is also nice.

vator98

@verizon.net

GOD!

I like many am sick and tired of ALL USA wireless carriers. They are simply the most greedy of all business entities.

They are not satisfied to make a decent profit ... NO they want it all!

The rest of the world offers better phones, better plans, and customer service.... Welcome to the USA!

Enuf...

If you had told me 15 years ago that people would be spending 70-100 USD per month for a phone... I'd say your crazy!

Ioweyou

@comcast.net

Avoid those fees, ETF's and overage charges!

Use your damn phone as a phone and use your computer at home to look at web video, stock market quotes, email and movie downloads. Who in their right mind want's to watch a movie download on their tiny little phone screen anyway?
chronoss2009
Premium
join:2008-09-23
kudos:2

and ill say it

NO TO AMERICAN INVESTMENT INTO CANADA THAT WILL JUST SCREW US MORE

Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3

Not that Big a Deal

Cheaper rates for 5/10 GB caps per handset? Maybe it's just because I'm coming from Sprint and used to such amounts, but...what's the BFD? Your handset wasn't retailed to be a replacement landline ISP, and 5 GB a month is more than enough leeway even if you use tethering for daily hotspot websurfing use.

I thought AT&T's caps were clearly money grabs with such low caps like 200 MB / 2GB. But with 5/10 GB choices, even me going full Pandora, buying entire albums off Amazon MP3, downloading mobile apps/games, and tethering for college laptop hotspot use...no way in hell I'm even approaching 5 GB.

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Collusion

Monopolies are bad, but collusion is perfectly fine. Go America!

MTBikerChris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO

Can we get out of the contract?

If they do this can we get out of our contracts? Since this is a TOS issue?

I a sick of my storm and want out since i have had 5 since NOV all ready.

Woody79_00
I run Linux am I still a PC?
Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state

Re: Can we get out of the contract?

What Charges Are Set by Verizon Wireless?

You agree to pay all access, usage and other charges that you or the user of your wireless device incurred. Our charges include Federal Universal Service, Regulatory and Administrative Charges, and we may also include other charges related to our governmental costs. We set these charges; they aren't taxes, they aren't required by law, they are kept by us in whole or in part, and the amounts and what they pay for may change.
Can Verizon Wireless Change This Agreement or My Service?

We may change prices or any other term of your Service or this agreement at any time,but we'll provide notice first, including written notice if you have Postpay Service. If you use your Service after the change takes effect, that means you're accepting the change. If you're a Postpay customer and a change to your Plan or this agreement has a material adverse effect on you, you can cancel the line of Service that has been affected within 60 days of receiving the notice with no early termination fee.

»www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/glob···ment.jsp
i would say the above gives you a way to get out..or just wait till they raise a fee or an admin charge
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cw30000

join:2008-07-11

telecomm is a monoploy

Telecommunication companies compete by working together. Once one made a change, someone will follow. The change made were always happen at the same time.

If there is truly any competition in telecommunication, then there will be different price model. The plans offer by each carrier are the same
Phatty

join:2000-05-10
Valley Park, MO

sucks but its going to happen

I've probably had a Verizon phone for more than 15 years now and until recently I would have never considered leaving Verizon.

Now I am seriously considering moving over to Tmobile once my contract expires.... Yeah their network is small, but as long as the network covers where you are(and they do in my area) thats all that really matters.... I guess.
slckusr
Premium
join:2003-03-17
Maumee, OH
kudos:1
Reviews:
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Re: sucks but its going to happen

said by Phatty:

I've probably had a Verizon phone for more than 15 years now and until recently I would have never considered leaving Verizon.

Now I am seriously considering moving over to Tmobile once my contract expires.... Yeah their network is small, but as long as the network covers where you are(and they do in my area) thats all that really matters.... I guess.
Was thinking the exact same thing, ive talked to a lot of people in town here that love t mobile. I travel often and thats my only concern.

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