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1 edit | Re: FiOS isn't IPTV? I believe widgets and VOD are delivered over IP. The TV portion is not. It's RF video over coax...
Edit: I've added a little more clarification on that to the story. | |
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| |  JeepMattC'mon the UPremium
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1 edit | Re: FiOS isn't IPTV? Karl-
You are correct. VOD and Widgets are delivered over IP.
Good luck getting ANY info from Verizon on this! 
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| | JPLPremium
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kudos:1 | Guide data comes in over IP too... not to put too fine a point on it. Also, I agree with your assessment in the story. It sounds like the authors of the article are confusing things. What they describe isn't what's understood to be IPTV. They're really talking about something that, for lack of a better term, is considered 'TV anywhere'. | |
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| | | | said by Karl Bode:I believe widgets and VOD are delivered over IP. The TV portion is not. It's RF video over coax... Edit: I've added a little more clarification on that to the story. To be totally correct, it is RF over fiber with an O to E (optical to electrical) converter (also known as the ONT) which then delivers RF over the coax within the home for all the tuned TV channels.
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14225-2105 | Re: FiOS isn't IPTV? uhhhhhhhhhhhh....no, I don't think so. RF does not go over fiber. Light goes over fiber. I was pretty sure Verizon carries the video digitally over their fiber network, but seems to me the ONT would then transform this signal into RF to be carried over their CPE MoCA network.
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Woodbridge, VA
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| Re: FiOS isn't IPTV? said by rchandra:uhhhhhhhhhhhh....no, I don't think so. RF does not go over fiber. Light goes over fiber. I was pretty sure Verizon carries the video digitally over their fiber network, but seems to me the ONT would then transform this signal into RF to be carried over their CPE MoCA network. Here is some RF over Fiber equipment.
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| | | | said by Karl Bode:I believe widgets and VOD are delivered over IP. The TV portion is not. It's RF video over coax... Edit: I've added a little more clarification on that to the story. So no need to buy a %$#@!&! converter box for all your extra TVs that just need to view the basic channels? Nothing wrong with that. That's why Time Warner Cable still serves me cheaper than if I subscribed to Uverse and needed to lease a bunch of boxes. | |
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3 edits | Re: FiOS isn't IPTV? Nope, still need a set top box to get the encrypted national channels. Absolutely no analog channels or anything else crowding the TV spectrum, hence the huge 2-per-QAM HD channel lineup.
Though if you have a TV set that supports Clear QAM, plugging in the coax will give you the local channels, The Weather Channel and Weatherscan.
In any case, it beats U-verse. | |
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| | | said by kapil:It's delivered over IP, no? Not by a long shot. FiosTV (except ondemand) is delivered via QAM just like any other cable company which is why CableCARD still works. | |
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| | | said by kapil:It's delivered over IP, no? No, the regular channels are delivered just like in an HFC network, except that the HFC node is attached to your house, and you're the only house on that node. | |
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| | | | Re: FiOS isn't IPTV? Yep, this is the most accurate description thus far. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | said by skuv :
No, the regular channels are delivered just like in an HFC network, except that the HFC node is attached to your house, and you're the only house on that node.
Yes that is a good description. One of the three FiOS wavelengths (colors) is what is known as an RF overlay. Unlike an HFC network the RF overlay is strictly one way (downstream) and is not interactive. VOD and other interactivity must use IP. Cincinnati Bell's small passive FTTH network has an even nicer 1 GHz RF overlay compared to the FiOS 860 MHz overlay although the lowest 50 or so MHz aren't used in either case. | |
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX | Good grief They might want to see if they can get the bugs out of the screensaver function first, LOL. Not that I give a hoot about a screensaver per se, but if they can't get that working, what hope is there for IPTV... and external HDD expansion... and a widescreen guide... and Caller ID and Remote DVR that does not crash and burn when the wind changes direction.
FiOS TV is high quality in terms of image quality but the upgrades VZ attempts are so bad it's laughable.
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Swayzee, IN | Well known in the Industry This has always been one of those little secrets that no one understood or if they did understand cared about four years ago.
Semi-technically speaking they turn a segment of the fiber spectrum into a coaxial equivalent and deliver the video essentially the same as a totally coaxial plant would (QAM).
To Verizons credit, when wanted to roll out FIOS they could have pushed a technically inferior product (IPTV) at the time. The smartest guys in the room knew IPTV was not as mature as QAM at the time and they wanted to make sure they delivered a product that worked. I am sure they were ecstatic when they learned ATT was using IPTV to be the large scale guinea pig. | |
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| | | Re: Well known in the Industry said by cptmiles:Semi-technically speaking they turn a segment of the fiber spectrum into a coaxial equivalent and deliver the video essentially the same as a totally coaxial plant would (QAM). But there is no such thing as a "totally coaxial plant." Cable companies have been HFC since 1996. Their RF is carried longhaul over fiber before it becomes coax again.
FiOS is "semi-technically speaking" using an HFC network too. It's just that instead of there being a fiber node feeding a neighborhood, the fiber node is attached to your house and you are the only one on it. | |
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join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA Reviews:
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| Re: Well known in the Industry The big advantage of FiOS is that to your home, TV, Internet, and Phone (POTS) are carried on three separate light waves. So, there is no competition between them. Since they are split in the home, they never compete for bandwidth.
Cable providers need to squeeze TV, Internet, and Phone into that last bit of COAX that leads to your home. All three are competing for the same bandwidth.
The biggest downside is that since FiOS uses QAM, it is limited to a set number of channels. I think they are feeling this right now and cannot add any more HD channels. I applaud them for not cutting quality to fit in more channels. But, I do so want Fox Soccer Channel in HD. | |
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Swayzee, IN | Your point is taken, I should have said, "a last mile delivery of coax." You could say the same thing about copper, I suppose. | |
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| | great opportunity! Well if it means I can turn my PS3 into a STB, I'm all for it! | |
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| | | Re: great opportunity! A HD STB at that. | |
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium
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Westfield, MA | Drool Over seeing that SC connector,some day i might see that in my neighborhood. | |
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| | | Re: Drool said by camaro92:Over seeing that SC connector,some day i might see that in my neighborhood. But that's green, it's an SC-A connector. | |
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| | xBox 360 It would be cool if they targeted the xBox... Not many people I know own a PS3. | |
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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| Re: xBox 360 said by OldschoolDSL:It would be cool if they targeted the xBox... Not many people I know own a PS3. either one wastes too much power to use as a STB. My TiVos only use 24 watts. The PS3 Slim uses around 75 watts, and the Xbox360 easily uses over 100watts. | |
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| Re: xBox 360 Really, though, this is not a huge deal. Unless, of course, electricity is really really expensive where you live.
One of these days we'll have fusion reactors belching out more power than we know what to do with... but I bet it will still somehow cost a lot of money. Stupid corporations.
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Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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2 edits | Re: xBox 360 said by TheRogueX:Really, though, this is not a huge deal. Unless, of course, electricity is really really expensive where you live. One of these days we'll have fusion reactors belching out more power than we know what to do with... but I bet it will still somehow cost a lot of money. Stupid corporations. Yes electricity is very expensive around here. It's almost tripled in some areas. I know the houses where my girlfriend lives have over $400 electric bills on many months. Hers are in the mid $200s since she lives alone.
I used to not be conscious of my electricity usage. Ten years ago I ran six PCs 24/7 for over a year and my electric bills were barely $100. Now I only run a couple of systems a day and for only 8 to 12 hours a day. My electric bills now are no lower than $150. Plus ten years ago I used several 500 watt halogen lamps and incandescent lighting. All my lighting has been changed to fluorescent and I use around one tenth of the electricity on lighting that I used to. Yet my bills keep going higher and higher every year as the rates go up and up. | |
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| Re: xBox 360 a $200/month electric bill year-round is quite a bit of juice here if you live alone, even taking into account electric hot water, clothes dryer, and range. Heck the only time I've seen a $200+ electric bill is when the central A/C is on for the entire month (which is rare here). Otherwise the bill rarely breaks $75/month (hot water and range is gas, dryer is electric..solar powered on nice days). | |
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| moca drawbacks.. you will be forced to use their moca device to get back to ethernet if you don't make them utilize cat-5(or 6) equipment. since the new equipment will probably have 802.11n anyway it shouldn't be a big deal but some people want to use their own routers. to verizon it's all about saving some money with pre-wired homes. a couple of ethernet runs could easily take a half hour to 1 1/2 hours in addition to the other parts of the installation. techs that came here did the mInimum they needed to do to successfully re-activate a pre-installed ont. no gpon or 802.11n router for me... | |
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Warminster, PA | I'll believe it when I see it Verizon has consistently over promised and UNDER delivered. The company has shown it cannot manage or market new gen network technology. When true IPTV hits FiOS prepare to be underwhelmed. Anyone remember ALL the great widgets coming to FiOS. Two years later 6 widgets that SUCK!!!! The facebook, twitter, and youtube interfaces SUCK! The media-DVR is worthless and the app needed on PCs to stream media is crap.
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| | | Re: I'll believe it when I see it said by dak70:Verizon has consistently over promised and UNDER delivered. The company has shown it cannot manage or market new gen network technology. When true IPTV hits FiOS prepare to be underwhelmed. Anyone remember ALL the great widgets coming to FiOS. Two years later 6 widgets that SUCK!!!! The facebook, twitter, and youtube interfaces SUCK! The media-DVR is worthless and the app needed on PCs to stream media is crap. So why would IPTV be any different than the long list of failures? Well, I think the possibility of utilizing additional interfaces, beyond the STB, might be Verizon's way of making up for all those. The fact is, no one in their right mind would try to use twitter or facebook or youtube on a STB when they have a PC or Laptop or iPhone, etc. In addition, devices like PS3, Xbox 360, and various forms of slingboxes, are quickly taking control of the internet-delivered media burst. They run HD web video, Netflix, you name it. Verizon you would think is being smart and if they can deliver their cable programming to those devices???? | |
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join:2007-09-07
Nashville, MI
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| Grammar Police While Verizon runs fiber to the home, inside the home they still (unless you request Cat-5 runs, which sometimes can be difficult to coordinate with the company) -- they're still using coaxial and MOCA for home networking.
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