 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Good. This type of actions will probably work much better than bringing Grandma Jane to court for $500,000 and trying to make her out to be the face of piracy.
I am not saying I am FOR ISP's babysitting but I would rather this than the immediate suing | |
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 |  | | Re: Good. This type of actions Not really, pesonaly i will trash such letter. | |
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| Re: Good. This type of actions said by silentlooker:Not really, pesonaly i will trash such letter. They actually send a letter and not an email? | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Good. This type of actions You'd be surprised. Most ISP's will just send the complaint to the email of the listed person and be done with it. | |
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| said by silentlooker:said by aaronwt:said by silentlooker:Not really, pesonaly i will trash such letter. They actually send a letter and not an email? I would think it be a letter, not everyone use their primary isp email I have an email addres listed as my contact. It is not a Verizon email address so I would think they would use a contact email address, otherwise what is a contact email address for. And it's certanly cheaper than sending a letter to everyone. | |
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 |  |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Maybe you would but most I know would probably stop
I wouldn't but I would certainly be a bit paranoid and be much more careful | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Good. This type of actions said by Van:Maybe you would but most I know would probably stop I wouldn't but I would certainly be a bit paranoid and be much more careful I'm sorry but if you get "caught" in the first place then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. There are plenty of ways to share files and have low to no risk of getting "caught", what protocols do you think they are actively watching? Defiantly not HTTP. See what I did there? | |
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 |  |  |  |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Re: Good. This type of actions I haven't the faintest clue and neither would anyone I know.
I, and most I know, simply download some songs here or there or maybe a movie every now and then. Nothing major
But if we got letters telling us to stop because we had been traced, it would effect me and most quite a bit. I would probably stop.
Of course most here wouldn't I am sure but for many in the general public, it would be a little nerve racking | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Good. This type of actions said by Van:I haven't the faintest clue and neither would anyone I know. I, and most I know, simply download some songs here or there or maybe a movie every now and then. Nothing major But if we got letters telling us to stop because we had been traced, it would effect me and most quite a bit. I would probably stop. Of course most here wouldn't I am sure but for many in the general public, it would be a little nerve racking Hint 1: »torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-e···-070915/ Hint 2: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaDefender Hint 3: »blogcritics.org/scitech/article/···ent-war/
Let me re-ask the question. What protocol do you think are they most interested in and have actually put up "traps" for pirates? What protocol(s) do you think doesn't interest them as much?
Hint: The answer to the second question can be found in my first post.
If I made it any more obvious, then I would just point out places where you can get pirated material without getting caught :P.
In fact I know 2 people who used the mentioned protocol that they are watching, got the letter, and still do it. Here's the catch though about the letters. How do you know it was something you were doing and not someone hijacking your wireless? . Many would argue that you are still responsible, but I would disagree. If you leave a gun out and someone uses it to kill someone, were you responsible for his actions (assuming of course you didn't put it out for him to kill someone with)? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Re: Good. This type of actions As someone who goes to Court often, yes...someone could in fact be charged for a variety of crimes if they left out a gun and someone else used it to kill another (even without the pure intention of someone using it to kill another)...it of course depends on the circumstances of the exact case
So, I don't think that is a good example | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Good. This type of actions said by Van:As someone who goes to Court often, yes...someone could in fact be charged for a variety of crimes if they left out a gun and someone else used it to kill another (even without the pure intention of someone using it to kill another)...it of course depends on the circumstances of the exact case So, I don't think that is a good example Speaking loosely of course. The same argument could really be applied to anything, just replace gun with any instrument, kitchen knife, pencil, screwdriver...ect. Yes, you could argue that by me brining a pencil into class allowed a classmate to kill another, as he took it from my hands and stabbed another student. But, then we wouldn't be speaking loosely now would we?
One could even take a step further. Lets say a criminal was using a wifi service provided by lets say a coffee shop. And they do something illegal, is the coffee shop liable? They are liable to cooperate with authorities, but does the coffee shop have to pay any damages if they didn't know their wifi was being used for illicit purposes. In fact I am sure before you can connect you have to agree to a TOS saying you wont use it for illicit purposes. | |
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 |  ReformCRTCSupport Your Independent ISP join:2004-03-07 Canada | Well that's a different tone than Cary "Sue" Sherman, to be sure. | |
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 | | liability issues If they are going to work with one sector to prevent an illegal activity, then they will have to work with all agencies to fight illegal activity. The cost would be on Verizon or any other Telco.
How can they go after the filesharers but not be responsible for monitoring who is watching porn (minors) or trading kiddie porn? | |
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 | | Piracy is the New Business Dist Model [link] According to the filmmaker for INK, distribution through 'piracy' has gotten his film the exposure it needed to go widespread:
»www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a···e_movie/
This is an interesting dist model, not terribly unlike 60s rock group Grateful Dead, who encouraged people to tape their concerts. | |
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 | | i would not worry to much unless verzion cut a deal with the riaa to get like free access to music service i am sure they will charge them for evey notice they send out. I sure it won't be cheap verzion does no want tharass theiir customers unless they will make money. | |
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| Re: How does Verizon determine which downloads are authorized? all they need to know is the ip address. It doesn't matter who the person was, if it came from that ip, the person that pays for service that had that IP address is responsible. This seemed to work accurately with comcast, I see no reason why Verizon would be any different. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: How does Verizon determine which downloads are authorized? That assumes that the ISP knows who has the IP address at the time of the downloads. | |
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 |  |  |  aaronwtPremium join:2004-11-07 Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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| Re: How does Verizon determine which downloads are authorized? said by old_wiz_60:That assumes that the ISP knows who has the IP address at the time of the downloads. They better have a record of it. The system is certainly in place to keep track of it. | |
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 |  |  | | said by aaronwt:all they need to know is the ip address. It doesn't matter who the person was, if it came from that ip, the person that pays for service that had that IP address is responsible. This seemed to work accurately with comcast, I see no reason why Verizon would be any different. I will disagree with you on that point. Lets assume someone steals my car and it's used in bank robbery, am i responsible for it because it was my car?
Now lets use same analogy but this time with the router. I use wep security(cheap lock) because well i don't knowany better. Someone cracked that lock and used my router for illegal activity. Should i be accountable for someone else action that used my router ? | |
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| wouldn't be surprised... If they go after people who have never used P2P.
Every piece of music I have on my computers is either purchased from iTunes or loaded from a CD which I purchased myself. Strangely, I believe you should purchase music rather than steal it.
Still, I wouldn't be all that surprised to get a letter claiming I have illegal stuff on my computer; the IP address for the router probably gets changed now and then and I can't picture Verizon being very good about keeping track of who has what IP address at what time.
The **AA and now apparently Verizon seem to think that anyone accused has to be guilty. | |
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| Re: wouldn't be surprised... said by old_wiz_60:If they go after people who have never used P2P. Every piece of music I have on my computers is either purchased from iTunes or loaded from a CD which I purchased myself. Strangely, I believe you should purchase music rather than steal it. Still, I wouldn't be all that surprised to get a letter claiming I have illegal stuff on my computer; the IP address for the router probably gets changed now and then and I can't picture Verizon being very good about keeping track of who has what IP address at what time. The **AA and now apparently Verizon seem to think that anyone accused has to be guilty. Thankfully, The diaRIAA couldn't touch Me(I'm Teflon financially It seems), Even if they knew where to look(Its a forest here), I think to them If It's on a PC, It's pirated, unless It's drmed to death and none on My PCs are drmed and yes I buy a CD when I can afford to(whether original or blank) and I don't do p2p as a CD holds a lot of mp3's on It. -- »www.realtor.com/realestateandhom···12798476
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 | | Be careful... Better be careful Verizon... that chick you are getting in bed with (RIAA) is actually a transvestite looking to unwrap their tootsie roll for you and stick it in your RJ-45 socket. | |
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 |  | | Re: Be careful... said by axiomatic:Better be careful Verizon... that chick you are getting in bed with (RIAA) is actually a transvestite looking to unwrap their tootsie roll for you and stick it in your RJ-45 socket. Actually it's a USB dongle, not a tootsie roll. And as usual in such cases, there are "compatibility issues". Wrong plug, wrong socket. | |
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 | | ip addresses dont work its so easy to hop on a nearby network I have like 20 networks in range and a third of them are using wep a few more wpa 1/2 wich are probly simple dictionary passphrases. if they start sending out letters how are they going to prove who is actually sharing what? | |
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 | | lets all just turn off the net ya and lets just trade our stuff like how drug dealers do ya and we might as well get the gangs involved too ya then they can toss us all in jail cause its all gang activity of course gangs will want some cash to move and distribute stuff
OH wait i pay for distribution when i use bit torrent or download.... Wait a minute here were all getting ripped why aint i getting paid ..... | |
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 |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: lets all just turn off the net said by chronoss2009:ya and lets just trade our stuff like how drug dealers do ya and we might as well get the gangs involved too ya then they can toss us all in jail cause its all gang activity of course gangs will want some cash to move and distribute stuff Pirated DVDs are still kicking in poor areas. There are sellers who cycle through all the fast food places all day long hawking their DVDs. | |
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 |  | | yea but thats too people that aren't educated enough and because all our speeds are capped and throttled if they want to end that drop a levy on dvdrs and up the speeds and drop capping
otherwise this is proof that it just gets into criminal hands and they dont give a shit about laws that get made, like ACTA if they can make 5-10 or more times there investment it becomes more lucrative then drugs...what you think will happen....
i'd rather a levy like system where its cheap affordable and we dont have kids dealing with gangs. HOW ABOUT YOU?
Seems to me hollywood is driving the gang land recruitment. | |
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