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New, smaller, 'worldmode' EVDO/HSDPA iPhone being cooked up?
06:28PM Wednesday Nov 11 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: competition · business · wireless
Apple Insider cites several sources that indicate that AT&T's exclusive agreement to offer the iPhone probably won't be extended, and that you'll see the iPhone make its way to Verizon's network next year. Despite Verizon's current ad campaign that pokes fun at the iPhone (though more specifically AT&T's network), vendors appear to be in the early stages of constructing a slightly smaller, new iPhone that would be compatible with both CDMA2000 (EVDO, Verizon) and UMTS 3G (HSDPA, AT&T) networks. The new "worldmode" iPhone will likely make its debut next summer.

While it's still possible that AT&T could dump enough cash in Apple's lap to make them extend the exclusive contract, at this point it seems unlikely. There's a combination of factors pointing to Apple opening the floodgates. AT&T's taken a PR beating for network performance, which doesn't jibe with Apple's cool, sleek, user-friendly public relations bubble. Apple also wasn't happy with AT&T's sluggish adoption to bandwidth demand (specifically on the backhaul end).

Apple's also got both the FCC and Congress starting to investigate whether things like long-term exclusivity deals are anti-competitive (even Sprint's CEO thinks exclusivity limits are a good idea). And of course there's the simple fact that Apple can make oodles of additional cash by offering the iPhone via additional carriers.

AT&T appears to be aware that the party's almost over. "Even if we lose the iPhone exclusivity, we're going to probably be the only ones that have a speed of 7.2 (Mbps) that these phones can work on," AT&T's Mobility CEO Ralph de la Vega recently stated. The comments mirror the belief among AT&T executives that it's AT&T's network speed and reliability -- not the iPhone and the loyal cult of Mac -- that's responsible for the company's industry-low customer defection rates and huge quarterly numbers.

Of course those expecting that an iPhone on the Verizon network is going to be wireless broadband utopia should probably temper their enthusiasm. Verizon's mobile data prices aren't any prettier, the company frequently suffers from billing support dysfunction, and while their EVDO network is more robust with better coverage, there's no evidence that the performance stays that way once hit by an influx of hungry iPhone users (though iPhone users across all carriers would share that load).

That said, more iPhones from more carriers means carriers have to compete on things like price and network performance instead of how much money they're willing to shell out for exclusives -- and that's a good thing.

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motoracer

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Screw Verizon

Screw Verizon and their ridiculous monthly charges. Bring the phone to Sprint and I'll be in heaven.

$50/month for Sprint gets me 450 anytime minutes, UNLIMITED calling to ANY cell phone, nights at 6:00 pm, unlimited text/mms/video/internet, and FREE navigation (the Sprint navigation system is pretty awesome too).

That same plan at Verizon would cost over $100/month.
hottboiinnc
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Re: Screw Verizon

if they bring out this phone it would work on Sprint and they wouldn't need to have set contracts with only ATT or VZW. Sprint could get it too if they wanted to pay the $$$$.

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My problem with them was billing. The price was fine, but they charged me for 2 plans on a single phone.

Zerzz

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just read your comment
I'm with sprint also
I have a plan I feel like no one else has in the cell phone industry

850 min
more text than I'll ever need
amail and all that junk
sprint tv
sprint radio
gps
you get the idea

all for 50

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said by motoracer See Profile :

Screw Verizon and their ridiculous monthly charges. Bring the phone to Sprint and I'll be in heaven.
I have the latest iPhone....they're not that great.

FastiBook

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Re: Screw Verizon

You have it, you think it's not that great, yet you kept it. Go to the back of the line, hypocrite!

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Re: Screw Verizon

The iPhone is not The Holy Grail.

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Re: Screw Verizon

said by Z80 See Profile :

The iPhone is not The Holy Grail.
Exactly.

The iPhone is a good phone.....i never said that it sucks. I just don't think that it's a great phone.

My opinion, it's way over rated....thats all.
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Not the Holy Grail, but easily the best phone out there. I keep waiting for something better. Hopefully as Andriod matures (App store ect..) we'll see real competitors. People complain and apple answers. I'm sure we'll see multiple running apps in the next iphone among other things. I'm no Apple fan but the Iphones a great product and with the 45 weeks a year I travel it sure helps.

Z80
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Re: Screw Verizon

I think it's a great phone (I have 2) but there is "no one ring to rule them all". Droid, Pre, Crackberry Storm, iPhone, arguing which is best is like arguing Ford vs Chevy or Honda vs Toyota. Everyone has an opinion and these are objective not subjective arguments.
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Re: Screw Verizon

How is "Screw Verizon" objective and not subjective let alone childish and offensive? lol
Opinions are great I posted mine. You yours.
All I really want to see is better and better. Iphones best right now for many reasons in my opinion. I just hope others make better phones and we'll all win.
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While I agree sprint plans are the best out there atm, I don't think they will survive that long if they keep losing customers the way they are for the past 2yrs and still losing.
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Good luck

Good luck Apple, good luck Verizon!
Phatty

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Why go smaller?

I just hate the 'smaller' comment. Why the hell would someone want this phone smaller. I know there are a lot of people who believe size does matter, but to me as long as it fits in the pocket thats all I care about. Other than that make it as big as possible for optimal screen size and battery life.

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Re: Why go smaller?

I agree with you, a slightly larger screen would be way better for watching movies!
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Bell?

I wonder if Bell would be able to use this to their advantage here in Canada? They are running both a CDMA and UMTS/HSDPA network. Their CDMA network is slower, but has more coverage. So the HSDPA could be the main network to use, and then switch to CDMA when no coverage is available.

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Verizon

I think a bunch of fanboys stuck on their parents Verizon family plan just jizzed their pants.
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motoracer

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said by r81984 See Profile :

I think a bunch of fanboys stuck on their parents Verizon family plan just jizzed their pants.
Thanks for the laugh
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Re: Verizon

I second that. That made me laugh a bit.
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So... what you are saying is that you just jizzed in your pants? HAHA, Just kidding.
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Here's a song for future iphone fanboys on Verizon!
( Yes, I use an iphone )

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
BosstonesOwn

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Re: Verizon

Ok that had both me and my wife rolling , thankfully I left my speakers on full blast and my wife heard it and came laughing to my desk.
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said by r81984 See Profile :

I think a bunch of fanboys stuck on their parents Verizon family plan just jizzed their pants.
And consider the advantage of a VZW family plan (from the family POV) - unlimited calls (24/7/365) to any other VZW phone anywhere (such calls use *zero* plan minutes!) for $5 per line per month. Save your *plan* minutes for non-VZW cell or landline calls.

I happen to *like* VZW's family plan for that reason alone!

(Besides, doesn't AT&T Mobility offer a similar plan? It's well-known that Sprint, and even Nextel pre-Sprint acquisition offers/offered similar family plans (I know of two families that have pre-acquisition Nextel family plans). Basically, pot, meet kettle.)

Reality - the real reason for parents to add lines for the children (especially the teenagers) is to keep track of them (the kids, that is)! Why whack them for choosing to actually be responsible by sniping away at those plan minutes?

Lastly, adding lines is often *cheaper* than PAYG/prepaid (not to mention that there is a greater handset choice).

Example: James and Lillian Kettler are existing VZW customers. Lillian is eligible for a discounted handset this year (New Every Two), and Harry Kettler (junior in high school) wants a Storm2 for Christmas. Lillian gets a Storm2 at a discount, takes advantage of the Storm2 BOGO (Harry gets a surprise this Christmas!) and, when used for the intended purpose, the Kettlers pay a mere $60 over the next year for keeping track of Harry (who actually dares to be a responsible teenager and uses his new Storm2 responsibly).

Math breakdown:

Lillian was eligible for the discount on the Storm2 anyway; merely taking advantage of that does not disqualify her from taking advantage of the Storm2 BOGO - adding a line to the FSP is $5 per month, or $60 per year.

Responsible-teenager argument - The teenager is well-aware that the parents want to keep track of him/her; however, the teenager (like most teenagers) loves smartphones. The teen knows the 'rents are VZW customers, and that mom (or possibly dad) is eligible for New Every Two *now*. Lightbulb moment: teenager points out the Storm2 BOGO. Parent upgrades to a Storm2, while the teen gets one also, and for less than a PAYG/prepaid phone (the teen can pay the $5 extra him or herself, so the net cost to the 'rents is actually zero). Win-win.

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Re: Defending the VZW Family Plan

said by PGHammer See Profile :

And consider the advantage of a VZW family plan (from the family POV) - unlimited calls (24/7/365) to any other VZW phone anywhere (such calls use *zero* plan minutes!) for $5 per line per month. Save your *plan* minutes for non-VZW cell or landline calls.
I would assume ALL carriers do this. Its included on my sprint plan (for no additional charge). Actually I used to be on nextel and my wife was on sprint, when they merged, we called each other at n/c with separate plans the next day.
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Re: Defending the VZW Family Plan

I pointed out that practically all carriers (and certainly any carrier that pretends to be a national carrier) do this, which is why I whacked the poster that criticized VZW's Family Share Plan.

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Re: Defending the VZW Family Plan

said by PGHammer See Profile :

I pointed out that practically all carriers (and certainly any carrier that pretends to be a national carrier)
where did you do that?
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Re: Defending the VZW Family Plan

(Besides, doesn't AT&T Mobility offer a similar plan? It's well-known that Sprint, and even Nextel pre-Sprint acquisition offers/offered similar family plans (I know of two families that have pre-acquisition Nextel family plans). Basically, pot, meet kettle.)

FastiBook

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Ya, um, mobile to mobile is free with att too, so are nights and weekends, amd calls to att landline folks, plus you have roll over minutes which no other provider offers.

Adding a line is 9.99 per line on my 550 famly plan, limited to 3 lines (who would want to split 550 by 5 anyways?). My upgrade period is march 2010 because i didn't do anything to alter the 2 year contract on my line. Yea, march 2010, even though i basically created a family plan with a new number for my girlfriend, got 2 new phones, and did i mention i wasnt charged upgrade fees, activation fees, early termination fees for another number (people kept calling the 1st number because it was used by a local business) or any other fees. Oh they also credited us on our bill for each phone because of several picard style facepalm worthy mistakes they made when changing the numbers for my girlfriend.

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said by r81984 See Profile :

I think a bunch of fanboys stuck on their parents Verizon family plan just jizzed their pants.
The anti-fanboys probably jizzed in their pants thinking about the fanboys jizzing in their pants.

r81984
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Re: Verizon

You just blew my mind.

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Good for Apple and Verizon - and AT&T

This is a good move for all parties. AT&T is taking a beating and can't upgrade fast enough so a sudden efflux of users to Verizon would improve the service for everyone on the network.

Verizon has shown that they are more willing to spend capex on upgrades and has stated numerous times that they believe the network is what retains customers. I think they are much better equipped to handle the load, especially with the OTA efficiencies CDMA has compared to GSM and I'm sure they've learned from AT&T's mistakes.

For Apple, they effectively double their potential customer base which they need, because the sales growth of the iPhone isn't keeping pace and will likely level off next year. Introducing a new iPhone will not only cause a huge percentage of AT&T customers to upgrade, but Apple will have a fresh base of 89 million customers to sell the iPhone to. If they achieve a modest 15% penetration rate on Verizon's network, that's an additional 13 million iPhones!

If you don't own AAPL, buy it now. If you think the explosion of iPhone sales over the last two years was mind boggling, just wait until the year the phone is released on the two largest carriers in the US ... at the same time.
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Gayle P

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Verizon=YES. Smaller screen=NO.

Verizon iPhone: YES!
One phone for 2,3,4 carriers: YES!
More than 5 times the 3G coverage: YES!
RF-ID iPhone: YES!
Smaller screen: NO!
Smaller battery: NO!
fiberguy
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Re: Verizon=YES. Smaller screen=NO.

said by Gayle P :

Smaller screen: NO!
Um.,.. there are a lot of people I know that won't do an iPhone simply becuase of it's current size. I know many people that prefer the weaker Palm Pre becuase of the touch screen capabilities of the iPhone but the screen size..

Don' think that becuase the screen gets smaller that it's a turn-off. Personally, I LIKE the size of the current screen and if they go smaller, I'd not take that phone.. I'm just saying is all.. not everyone likes the larger screen..
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said by Gayle P :

Verizon iPhone: YES!
One phone for 2,3,4 carriers: YES!
More than 5 times the 3G coverage: YES!
RF-ID iPhone: YES!
Smaller screen: NO!
Smaller battery: NO!
Verizon iPhone: Will definitely happen
One phone for 2,3,4 carriers: Eventually
More than 5 times the 3G coverage: But 2-4 times slower speeds
RF-ID iPhone: Mixed feelings
Smaller screen: Most likely an option, more choices for us
Smaller battery: This would suck...

Donna 201

@rr.com

Overcrowding AT&T becomes overcrowding Verizon

> there's no evidence that the performance stays that way
> once hit by an influx of hungry iPhone users.

What if a new multi-iphone ended up dividing users among 4 differently carriers?

That sure would be easier on the network instead crowding 50 million iphone users all into AT&T only.

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Re: Overcrowding AT&T becomes overcrowding Verizon

Good point. Another advantage of ditching exclusive.
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Re: Overcrowding AT&T becomes overcrowding Verizon

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Good point. Another advantage of ditching exclusive.
And selling another "must have upgrade" generation of iPhones to the fanboys.

FastiBook

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»www.electronista.com/articles/09···didates/

Also yes, the wave of refurbs will get the iPhone in even more hands.

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Downside of one phone across multiple carriers that I think might keep you from seeing that, barring regulation, is the pissy attitude of corporations. They want to own it all and will everything they can to take the money from the other guy.

Some corporate mentality has to change first before you see this happen.

Jill Jilly

@rr.com

AT&T had problems long before the iPhone made them worse.

> This is a good move for all parties. AT&T is taking a
> beating and can't upgrade fast enough

AT&T had problems long before the iPhone made them worse.

What was AT&T doing when Verizon rolled out 2 *TIMES* more 3G coverage than AT&T?

And then Verizon started covering 3 *TIMES* more areas than AT&T.

And then Verizon covered 4 *TIMES* more of the US than AT&T.

Currently... Verizon covers 5 *TIMES* more than AT&T.

Is AT&T totally asleep??? And people wonder why AT&T has problems???

When is AT&T going to do something? In 2011 or 2012? I need to use my phone TODAY.
itguy05

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Re: AT&T had problems long before the iPhone made them worse.

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AT&T had problems long before the iPhone made them worse.
No they didn't. They have an image problem. I use both and they both have plusses and minuses. I think AT&T has the better network though. Verizon is not all it's cracked up to be.

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Re: AT&T had problems long before the iPhone made them worse.

said by itguy05 See Profile :

I think AT&T has the better network though. Verizon is not all it's cracked up to be.
And I know ATT has a crappier network because I have an ATT device and two Verizon devices (smartphone and aircard) and Verizon wins.

Even in the highly populated NYC metro area, ATT has coverage gaps. In NYC itself it can take a long time to connect a call. None of these issues are on Verizon.
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Re: AT&T had problems long before the iPhone made them worse.

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Even in the highly populated NYC metro area, ATT has coverage gaps. In NYC itself it can take a long time to connect a call. None of these issues are on Verizon.
Funny you should mention that. I travel to North Jersey quite regularly. As well as have family and friends there, all on AT&T.

In 2004 I was on Verizon and had just those problems both in N. NJ and in Central PA. Long call setup times (I timed 1 at around a minute or so), dropped calls, and just generally crappy service from Verizon. This was on 2 phones so I knew it was not the phone. Went to AT&T and all was better.

I can also show you Verizon coverage gaps in the NY Metro area. As I can for AT&T....

And I have family and friends there - no reported issues or complaints from them regarding AT&T. We call, phone rings, and we talk. Things work fine. Mind you none are in NYC but in N.NJ, AT&T seems to be about the same as Verizon.
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They are taking record profits!

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said by Jill Jilly :

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And then Verizon started covering 3 *TIMES* more areas than AT&T.

And then Verizon covered 4 *TIMES* more of the US than AT&T.

Currently... Verizon covers 5 *TIMES* more than AT&T.

Is AT&T totally asleep??? And people wonder why AT&T has problems???

When is AT&T going to do something? In 2011 or 2012? I need to use my phone TODAY.
Most of that refers to '3G', and not coverage in general, and a LOT of that coverage is in the middle of nowhere. I do agree that AT&T has a lot of catch up. Using a global standard (GSM/UMTS) caused them to be way behind in 3G deployment vs. a US standard (CDMA2000).

As the old saying goes... if you don't like the service, use another carrier.
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Dagda1175

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Can't wait to see which functions Verizon cripples....

....all before jamming its proprietary obnoxious software into the device!

flyfish2000

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Verizon iPhone Conspiracy

I know this may sound hard to believe, but: VZW has an Asian company "invent/leak" photos of a world iPhone, smaller than the iPhone 3G S. The reason: VZW will be getting something other than the iPhone, such as, the Apple Tablet or an iPod Touch item usable on their network. Why would they do that: because VZW is afraid of losing further "market share" to AT&T over the iPhone; this will keep VWZ customers (like me) held hostage until at least until the Q3 2010 thereby keeping paying customers in their system. Also, I have been out of contract for almost a year now and I have been getting pressed VERY HARD by VZW to go for a new two year plan. I get calls at home, calls and texts on my cell phone, emails and when I go to manage my account at the VZW site - I get a message asking me to renew my plan. Folks, as far as I can see......this is all a conspiracy invented by good ole' Verizon. I'm interested in seeing how this plays out. BTW, Apple announces their product updates usually in January and June at the WWDC. Typically, Steve Jobs does the presentations for really big items. The Apple Tablet on the newly released VZW 4G network (in some areas) will be a big item.

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Re: Verizon iPhone Conspiracy

I suppose it's possible but it's a pretty elaborate theory. Why wouldn't Apple just make a CDMA iPhone? AT&T couldn't offer Apple enough money to keep it exclusive at this point. Apple's sales figures are staggering (more importantly their profits) selling to 50% of the market on GSM. Double your potential market, double your profits. Even if this phone design is a throw away for ~2-3 years of legacy CDMA support it will make Apple an insane amount of money.

flyfish2000

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I agree with you completely on AT&T not being able to give Apple enough money to keep Apple with them and the economy of scales, including a short term CDMA phone. I just made the story up because every article/blog I have recently read uses the same unconfirmed report from Apple Insider and OTR: (»www.appleinsider.com/articles/09···010.html). What happened to REAL Journalism? Personally, I have no idea what is going to happen. I just wish each company would let their direction be known and not keep us customers held hostage. That's really bad customer support and tells me all of the companies could care less about anyone but themselves. If I knew VZW was not going to get the iPhone and/or a similar device from Apple, I would port my number over to AT&T. I am in NJ and I have heard that coverage is fine hear from various friends that have the iPhone.

YeahRight

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iPhone is going no where....

AT&T is not stupid. They're gonna fork over the extra cash to keep it exclusive. So can we please stop it already with the Verizon iPhone rumors.
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Re: iPhone is going no where....

said by YeahRight :

AT&T is not stupid.
... and neither is apple. apple understands that there are millions more customers to be had.. I don't think AT&T has enough money to fork over to keep a device that they'll eventually level off on.

And, like you say that this is all rumor.. so is your position.. you don't know.. they don't know.. but, if I were a betting man and placing my chips on the table,.. I'm placing it on apple's side that they are going to tap into other providers to push more of their incredibly popular phone.

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Re: iPhone is going no where....

Yup - Basically.. AT&T would have to pay for a the equivalent of a few million iPhones that VZW would have purchased + its own sales. NOT HAPPENING.
VZW / T-Mobile and even Sprint can now get the iPhone.
Apple needs to sell product (iPhone) and services on iTunes. With AT&T reaching a peak on what it can sell (many are now upgrades vs. new), if Apple has its new chipset, it MUST sell product, or it will be holding a lot of R&D budget in debt.
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rjbied

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said by YeahRight :

AT&T is not stupid. They're gonna fork over the extra cash to keep it exclusive. So can we please stop it already with the Verizon iPhone rumors.
The iPhone will not remain exclusive in the US and this is acknowledged by AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson. »www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a···ver.html
rjbied

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The iPhone will become non-exclusive and AT&T will most likely join the party with some exclusive, high-end Android touch screen offering. »online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142···Darticle
kustomjs

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Verizon doesnt have better Coverage then ATT

@Jill Jilly

I am sorry but there is some places that ATT is alot better then Verizon.

see I had more problems with Verizon dropping call all the time then what I do with ATT so it seems that Verizon is not much better in Coverage anyways.

better get your facts straight when you say that Verizon have more coverage then what ATT have.

what Verizon needs to do is drop that crappy CDMA service and switch it to GSM then they would have better service and coverage but intill then Verizon coverage will continue to be crappy.

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Re: Verizon doesnt have better Coverage then ATT

said by kustomjs See Profile :

@Jill Jilly

I am sorry but there is some places that ATT is alot better then Verizon.

see I had more problems with Verizon dropping call all the time then what I do with ATT so it seems that Verizon is not much better in Coverage anyways.

better get your facts straight when you say that Verizon have more coverage then what ATT have.

what Verizon needs to do is drop that crappy CDMA service and switch it to GSM then they would have better service and coverage but intill then Verizon coverage will continue to be crappy.
So I take it you have been outside your little world and travelled the entire country and mapped out Verizon and AT&T's coverage? Cool, care to share those maps??

Everyone has admitted that Verizon has more 3G coverage and that also have their weak areas. You just happen to be in one of those where AT&T happens to be better.

gbean

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RE: your misinformation....

so many misinformed people here.

CDMA has always had a hugely larger capability of handling high volumes of network traffic compared to GSM.
They dont use the US/European standard GSM in Japan and Korea for that reason.
Currently, my BB 8830 with sprint is capable of web browsing and being on a call AT THE SAME TIME. It has been that way since it was introduced 2 years ago. Its not even a top notch phone anymore.... heck its not even EVDO Rev A, its Rev 0. (1.8MBPS data instead of about 4.)

What no talent ass clown got the idea that AT&T can provide over 7 MBPS OTA? NO WAY. Ever.

If and when the CDMA carriers get these apple devices, there will likely be no hiccups in their networks, as they are already FAAAR beyond the volume capacity of AT&T's decrepit old network.
Even 8 years ago in 2001, in NY during "that terror fiasco" the only networks that DIDNT go down were CDMA carriers!

And a nice thing: All Sprint plans include the use of any cdma carriers network in the US without roaming charges whatsoever.
So I can use my 8830 on VZW, alltel, us cellular, etc so I am always covered.

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Unlocked to all

Would be the best bet for apple, just add some kind of CDMA to the iPhone along with GSM and offer an unlocked phone here in the states and see what goes down.
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I will just say this about AT&T

Their service the last 2 years has pretty much been terrible except for the last few months where for whatever reason I seem to be getting more bars and more connectivity wherever I go.

If I keep getting solid service, I will probably stay with them when the new phone comes out this upcoming summer. My contract ends when the new phone comes out just about so it should be smooth if I decide to switch.

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Great, but.....I like choice

With the likes of Droid and the Palm Pre ,etc (both will probably be updated by the end of next year or shortly thereafter) on Verizon network, who needs an Iphone? Other app phones to choose from. I am not in a hurry to get an Iphone.

Let the fun and choices begin!

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Re: Great, but.....I like choice

And I think THIS is the REAL reason Apple may finally let go of ATT. Apple didn't give two shits about their customers' horrible ATT service when they renewed their contract last time. Nothing's changed. If anything, things have gotten better for ATT and iphone users.

The only difference between now and last year is that you've got an Army of Androids starting to eat away at the iphone's market share. Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile all offer Android phones, expanding google's ecosystem. Apps for the G1 work on the Droid and vice-versa (contrary to all of the iphone-fan media claims).

If Verizon ends exclusivity and sells CDMA handsets, then they can try to slow down the Android invasion.
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Re: Great, but.....I like choice

said by tiger72 See Profile :

Apple didn't give two shits about their customers' horrible ATT service when they renewed their contract last time. Nothing's changed.

The only difference between now and last year is that you've got an Army of Androids starting to eat away at the iphone's market share. Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile all offer Android phones, expanding google's ecosystem. Apps for the G1 work on the Droid and vice-versa (contrary to all of the iphone-fan media claims).
Dell dials up smartphones, ex-Motorola exec
»www.chicagotribune.com/business/···88.story
I think the Android OS is what is really worrisome to Apple. Is is only a matter of time before this OS overtakes Apple in units. We will start to see some very high end Android based smartphones relatively soon from all carriers, including AT&T.

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More like a sure thing?

If apple stays with just one carrier, the iphone will level off, slowly decline and begin to die in the LTE world, not unlike apple in the 90's. The only way to gain marketshare is to expand to other carriers.

I will welcome all those folks in non-att land to grab an iPhone when apple expands their base to other carriers. You are missing out, and i have nothing but empathy (no sympathy 'cuz you COULD switch to att). It will be nothing but a glorious moment in the history of apple and the wireless industry when the day of delivery comes for big red, pindrop (if they don't belly up), and teh T.

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