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Verizon iPhone Rumors Return
Though UBS analyst says Verizon, Apple still at odds on pricing...
Maynard J. Um of UBS Investment Research stoked the Verizon iPhone rumors again this week with a note to investors that speculates a change is afoot. "We believe a CDMA-iPhone is also in the works," Um wrote, "though believe Verizon Wireless and Apple may currently be apart on pricing." You'll recall that Apple first approached Verizon with an opportunity to exclusively offer the iPhone, but Verizon balked at the steep price tag Apple affixed to the offer. AT&T didn't, and of course the rest is dropped call and clogged network history. At the very least it certainly seems like Apple and AT&T won't be renewing their exclusive agreement when it expires this summer, so the iPhone should land somewhere other than AT&T this year.
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adisor19
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Which means that

T-Mobile and all the other AWS carriers will get to have the iPhone too thus ending the US monopoly on it.

Adi

Gbcue
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Re: Which means that

said by adisor19:

T-Mobile and all the other AWS carriers will get to have the iPhone too thus ending the US monopoly on it.

Adi
And they'll even be able to use the HSPA 7.2 in the iPhone because T-mobile just launched it in its entire 3G footprint.
NeoandGeo
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Re: Which means that

That astronomically large footprint.

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»www.electronista.com/art ··· nt.data/

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Re: Which means that

Haha.

RVAguy
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There have been rumors of Sprint offering it as well...

Of course it's all speculation...

I am with Sprint and their pricing is much better compared to AT&T and the iPhone. Whether or not it would stay that way with a Sprint equipped iPhone, I don't know...

»www.appleinsider.com/art ··· 010.html
NeoandGeo
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Re: There have been rumors of Sprint offering it as well...

I am jealous of Sprint, and their closest realization to fair pricing and use. But their service is a little lacking in my area.

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Re: There have been rumors of Sprint offering it as well...

said by NeoandGeo:

I am jealous of Sprint, and their closest realization to fair pricing and use. But their service is a little lacking in my area.
I've been with Sprint a long time and every time I get the chance to switch I end up staying with them. At least here the coverage is great, and really it works better in a lot of the places I go than my colleague's iPhones on AT&T.

The iPhone on something other than AT&T would be my first idea of purchasing one. Otherwise, forget it.

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I'd love to see a AWS iPhone, we have a new carrier in Canada that is extremely agressive when it comes to pricing. No subisdy lock on the phones either.
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Who needs the iPhone? Get a Hero. It's a better phone anyway.
fiberguy2
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Re: There have been rumors of Sprint offering it as well...

said by puck0114:

Who needs the iPhone? Get a Hero. It's a better phone anyway.
Funny you mention that because I carry, personally, both the iPhone and the Hero and to be honest, there are many things about the user interface of the Hero that I find lacking and inferior to the iPhone.

The battery life is less on the Hero.

It doesn't have a proximity sensor and I've ended a few calls with my cheeks before it timed out.

The phone locks in a call and shouldn't making it harder to take an incoming call. You have to hit the end key to wake it up and I've dropped many calls.

It doesn't rotate correctly and gets stuck in landscape mode.

You are limited to the number of pages for apps.

It's relatively slower responding than the iPhone 3GS.

You have to go through way too many key strokes to find things.. when dialing from contacts, etc.

The keypad is horribly arranged and the size of it makes it a little harder to type on it than the iPhone.

People balked at apple for the compass in it, but I'll tell ya, it sure makes maps much nicer to use.. at least you can see the direction you're heading.

With a multi-touch display on it, you still have to use the old fashion + / - keys to zoom in and out of a map instead of just pinching the maps to expand and such on the Hero.

I could go on, and I'm not saying it's a bad phone, its just when you compare the two phones, the Hero isn't a better phone in my opinion. Apple has been at it for 3 years now and they have had some time to get it right. What I don't get is that when people are trying to compete against the iPhone, why are they not taking lessons from their competitors? Palm did the same thing with the Pre. They want to be iPhone killers but they leave out many important factors.

The hero is a good phone, it's got great potential, however, I personally do think I made a regretful decision when I purchased it as I'm stuck with it for 2 years now unless I decide to buy another phone at full price, which I will likely end up doing.

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Last year I was using an iPhone 3G on AT&T. Then I switched to Sprint for their Palm Pre. They gave me decent service with a decent phone. Not great, but decent. (Their pricing, however, was great at around $53/mo including taxes for their Everything Data plan once my employer's discount was applied.)

Last month I switched from Sprint and the Plam Pre to Verizon and the Droid (without an ETF, courtesy of Sprint's $0.20 "regulatory fee" increase). Although they're more expensive, I must say that it's hard for me to look back-- to either Sprint or AT&T.

For data? Verizon's network is better, and seems a little zippier, than Sprint's (could just be my perspective or experience; YMMV). And Verizon's network is better than AT&T's hands-down.

For voice? Verizon is, IMHO, the best network as well. Calls are clear, no echoes, and speakerphone works great too. (Of course, a lot of this will be dependant on the phone you're using as well.)

While I wouldn't say that the Droid is an iPhone killer (yet), or that Android is a better OS than Apple's iPhone (yet), I firmly believe it has the potential to become so. (For my likes and needs, the Android OS beats the iPhone's OS hands-down. But for the "average person" that isn't yet the case.)
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Why CDMA though

Verizon is testing LTE in 2 markets currently...

LTE is backwards compatable with CDMA and GSM based networks, assuming Verizon does not screw with the implementation.

Why create a phone using a radio that has limited exposure to the US only (for the most part), which would require a second production line (or halting the one that does GSM radios and setting it up for CDMA).

It would make more sense to create an LTE based iphone which would work, regardless of the networks....

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Re: Why CDMA though

for everyone arguing about why a CDMA, please read this and maybe you will understand.

»www.boygeniusreport.com/ ··· -prices/
NeoandGeo
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Re: Why CDMA though

said by BoyGenius :

for everyone arguing about why a CDMA, please read this and maybe you will understand.

»www.boygeniusreport.com/ ··· -prices/
The first thing they need to do is drop the messaging packages, and allow an unlimited data plan to cover it.

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Re: Why CDMA though

Forget +1. +1,000,000!!!!!

en102
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2 problems with that. Lte is dAta only, meaning a 1x/evdo & 1x/lte chipset would be required. Many have pointed to voip evdo to lte handoffs. This is contrary to that.
CDMA globally is not growing, many carriers have been replacing 1x/evdo with hspa. Will Apple build just for Vzw Cdma?
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Re: Why CDMA though

said by en102:

Will Apple build just for Vzw Cdma?
They should.. it has worked well for RIM for years.. it's one reason why the Blackberry has a large dominance over the iPhone..

I'm not sure why so many people bring up the multiple-lines of hardware argument when it's been done for many years by many makers of phones... its not like it is anything major for them to do. In fact, its actually very rare for any maker of a successful product to limit their reach.

The main reason apple has only one line in the U.S. is pretty clear.. they have an exclusive contract with one carrier. With apple being as closed lipped as they are, and its worked VERY well for them in the past, many people sit here and assume since there is no hard core evidence that apple is moving in other directions that its simply not happening. There could very well be a plan in place, and has been, for a long time yet they simply don't talk about it.

All too often people assume that no news or no rumblings coming from the source means no action in the future.. to be honest, many people here WANT and EXPECT to hear all the news releases and press offerings of upcoming services... why? It's not important.. either a product comes out or it doesn't. This is the game of the businesses... if there is rumor or talk of something to come, people may stop buying.. you think they want that? When the so-called deadline comes and goes, as does with many cable, sat, and phone providers, people get pissed. Being quiet has worked well for apple for many years.. why would they stop?

en102
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Re: Why CDMA though

Rim manufactures phones for Cdma, Gsm, iden, umts/wcdma and at one time, I think even tdma. Very few Rim devices look the same. All iPhones share the same physical dimensions, and with the exception p
of a gsm vs. Gsm/hspa chipset, thers's very little different in the guts, keeping manufacturing and R&d cost low, profits high. I don't disagree on having more sales, but it's an apple call.

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Yeah, I wonder if this is just spin. I recall VZW opening 20-30 markets (er cities) with LTE by the end of 2010.
Perhaps Apple will iPhone with 4G/LTE...?

(again, the spin is the iSlate to take away the focus ...)

Transmaster
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No Brainer

with the actions Apple has taken in Europe with the iPhone it would seem to me Apple will do the same thing State Side. I wonder what the AT&T vis Verizon map would look like then.
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Re: No Brainer

Perhaps they will take a page from the Google phone book and offer an unlocked unsubsidized version and just let us figure out what carrier and plan we want. It would certainly test Verizon's claim about being open to third party equipment.

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Re: No Brainer

My a$$....

I can't activate a Sprint BB on Verizon so that shoes a foot up the "Verizon allows other devices on their network"


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Apple has taken those actions because many European markets are much more strict about anti-competitive rules.
stufried
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Re: No Brainer

Oh well, I already have a Verizon iPhone (a 64 gig touch + MiFi).

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hmmm

it surprises me Verizon has or had a problem with the high price tag considering they are the most expensive for everything as it is right now anyway.
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Re: hmmm

Just because they charge the most for their services doesn't mean they're willing to pay the most for any equipment deal...
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Ha...

I speculate Sprint is getting the iPhone - investors, are you listening?

en102
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Re: Ha...

said by AVonGauss:

I speculate Sprint is getting the iPhone - investors, are you listening?
T-mobile would be more likely. From a cost of manufacturing, it only needs a baseband 3g frequency change vs core wireless chipset. Apple has done little hArdware change to maximize profit. Changing core wireless technology would require Apple to rebuild the iPhone. It is due
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Re: Ha...

Motorola markets the Droid / Milestone as the same phone differing only in the radio and the firmware driver for said radio. It would seem that it could be done as a change to the board layout and low level drivers without affecting the overall design or specifications of the iPhone.

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Do I Hear a Storm Acoming?

Verizon Storms have world radio with CDMA and GSM. Apple could use that technology in a Verizon iphone with very little new engineering.

The other question is will at&t, Tmobile and Sprint get the Storm? Not a bad phone.

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Palm Pre & Pixi coming to Verizon this month

»www.businessweek.com/new ··· e1-.html
Palm Inc.’s Pre and Pixi will be offered this month by Verizon Wireless, the second U.S. wireless carrier to sell the phones, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Verizon, the biggest U.S. mobile-phone service, will introduce the models this week at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, said the person, who declined to be named because the announcement hasn’t been made public. The Pre and Pixi, currently sold in the U.S. only by Sprint Nextel Corp., will include some changes such as additional memory, the person said.
Looks like Verizon is finally getting a full slate of smartphones from different vendors. That makes them even more formidable in the cellphone market.

Morac
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The end of stupid AT&T imposed app restrictions?

One of the more annoying things that Apple is doing is limiting a number of bandwidth intensive apps to WiFi only, presumably at the request of AT&T.

If the iPhone becomes multi-carrier that would mean that that AT&T could no longer dictate what apps are allowed t do. Unless Apple sets up a separate app store for different carriers, but that seems unlikely.

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clickie8
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Too Early for LTE

It's too early for a LTE phone. It would make the phone more expensive and it would string Apple out longer on the upgrade cycle. Apple (and other vendors) are quite comfortable selling you a product that you'll want or need to upgrade in 24 months.

I strongly suspect that immediately following the termination of the AT&T contract, it'll be T-Mobile, with maybe a Verizon blessed iPhone in time for Christmas next year.

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Couldn't come quick enough

I am sure AT&T is happy too so their network won't be as clogged
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Pricing is why it didn't happen and won't happen

The reason the iPhone wasn't launched on Verizon was because of the pricing and whole money situation. If Apple is indeed taking to Verizon, they have leverage knowing that AT&T is more than happy to fork over the $$$$$ if Verizon won't.

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It's the ecosystem!

What I find missing most often, is mention regarding Apple's ecosystem and the support of it resident on nearly every, if not all, products. I'm talking about iTunes and MobileMe - for both of which I am a customer. Everything works because it's made and designed by the same company with a common OS. This is just one of many reasons why the Nexus One is not an iPhone killer. iTunes especially in Apple's favor.

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