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1 edit | There have been rumors of Sprint offering it as well... Of course it's all speculation...
I am with Sprint and their pricing is much better compared to AT&T and the iPhone. Whether or not it would stay that way with a Sprint equipped iPhone, I don't know...
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The iPhone on something other than AT&T would be my first idea of purchasing one. Otherwise, forget it.
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kudos:3 | Re: There have been rumors of Sprint offering it as well... said by puck0114:Who needs the iPhone? Get a Hero. It's a better phone anyway. Funny you mention that because I carry, personally, both the iPhone and the Hero and to be honest, there are many things about the user interface of the Hero that I find lacking and inferior to the iPhone.
The battery life is less on the Hero.
It doesn't have a proximity sensor and I've ended a few calls with my cheeks before it timed out.
The phone locks in a call and shouldn't making it harder to take an incoming call. You have to hit the end key to wake it up and I've dropped many calls.
It doesn't rotate correctly and gets stuck in landscape mode.
You are limited to the number of pages for apps.
It's relatively slower responding than the iPhone 3GS.
You have to go through way too many key strokes to find things.. when dialing from contacts, etc.
The keypad is horribly arranged and the size of it makes it a little harder to type on it than the iPhone.
People balked at apple for the compass in it, but I'll tell ya, it sure makes maps much nicer to use.. at least you can see the direction you're heading.
With a multi-touch display on it, you still have to use the old fashion + / - keys to zoom in and out of a map instead of just pinching the maps to expand and such on the Hero.
I could go on, and I'm not saying it's a bad phone, its just when you compare the two phones, the Hero isn't a better phone in my opinion. Apple has been at it for 3 years now and they have had some time to get it right. What I don't get is that when people are trying to compete against the iPhone, why are they not taking lessons from their competitors? Palm did the same thing with the Pre. They want to be iPhone killers but they leave out many important factors.
The hero is a good phone, it's got great potential, however, I personally do think I made a regretful decision when I purchased it as I'm stuck with it for 2 years now unless I decide to buy another phone at full price, which I will likely end up doing. | |
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join:2002-03-05 | Last year I was using an iPhone 3G on AT&T. Then I switched to Sprint for their Palm Pre. They gave me decent service with a decent phone. Not great, but decent. (Their pricing, however, was great at around $53/mo including taxes for their Everything Data plan once my employer's discount was applied.)
Last month I switched from Sprint and the Plam Pre to Verizon and the Droid (without an ETF, courtesy of Sprint's $0.20 "regulatory fee" increase). Although they're more expensive, I must say that it's hard for me to look back-- to either Sprint or AT&T.
For data? Verizon's network is better, and seems a little zippier, than Sprint's (could just be my perspective or experience; YMMV). And Verizon's network is better than AT&T's hands-down.
For voice? Verizon is, IMHO, the best network as well. Calls are clear, no echoes, and speakerphone works great too. (Of course, a lot of this will be dependant on the phone you're using as well.)
While I wouldn't say that the Droid is an iPhone killer (yet), or that Android is a better OS than Apple's iPhone (yet), I firmly believe it has the potential to become so. (For my likes and needs, the Android OS beats the iPhone's OS hands-down. But for the "average person" that isn't yet the case.)
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LTE is backwards compatable with CDMA and GSM based networks, assuming Verizon does not screw with the implementation.
Why create a phone using a radio that has limited exposure to the US only (for the most part), which would require a second production line (or halting the one that does GSM radios and setting it up for CDMA).
It would make more sense to create an LTE based iphone which would work, regardless of the networks.... | |
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CDMA globally is not growing, many carriers have been replacing 1x/evdo with hspa. Will Apple build just for Vzw Cdma?
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kudos:3 | Re: Why CDMA though said by en102: Will Apple build just for Vzw Cdma? They should.. it has worked well for RIM for years.. it's one reason why the Blackberry has a large dominance over the iPhone..
I'm not sure why so many people bring up the multiple-lines of hardware argument when it's been done for many years by many makers of phones... its not like it is anything major for them to do. In fact, its actually very rare for any maker of a successful product to limit their reach.
The main reason apple has only one line in the U.S. is pretty clear.. they have an exclusive contract with one carrier. With apple being as closed lipped as they are, and its worked VERY well for them in the past, many people sit here and assume since there is no hard core evidence that apple is moving in other directions that its simply not happening. There could very well be a plan in place, and has been, for a long time yet they simply don't talk about it.
All too often people assume that no news or no rumblings coming from the source means no action in the future.. to be honest, many people here WANT and EXPECT to hear all the news releases and press offerings of upcoming services... why? It's not important.. either a product comes out or it doesn't. This is the game of the businesses... if there is rumor or talk of something to come, people may stop buying.. you think they want that? When the so-called deadline comes and goes, as does with many cable, sat, and phone providers, people get pissed. Being quiet has worked well for apple for many years.. why would they stop? | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Why CDMA though Rim manufactures phones for Cdma, Gsm, iden, umts/wcdma and at one time, I think even tdma. Very few Rim devices look the same. All iPhones share the same physical dimensions, and with the exception p
of a gsm vs. Gsm/hspa chipset, thers's very little different in the guts, keeping manufacturing and R&d cost low, profits high. I don't disagree on having more sales, but it's an apple call.
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Perhaps Apple will iPhone with 4G/LTE...?
(again, the spin is the iSlate to take away the focus ...)
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1 edit | No Brainer with the actions Apple has taken in Europe with the iPhone it would seem to me Apple will do the same thing State Side. I wonder what the AT&T vis Verizon map would look like then.
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| | | Re: No Brainer Perhaps they will take a page from the Google phone book and offer an unlocked unsubsidized version and just let us figure out what carrier and plan we want. It would certainly test Verizon's claim about being open to third party equipment. | |
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I can't activate a Sprint BB on Verizon so that shoes a foot up the "Verizon allows other devices on their network"
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Valencia, CA | Re: Ha... said by AVonGauss:I speculate Sprint is getting the iPhone - investors, are you listening? T-mobile would be more likely. From a cost of manufacturing, it only needs a baseband 3g frequency change vs core wireless chipset. Apple has done little hArdware change to maximize profit. Changing core wireless technology would require Apple to rebuild the iPhone. It is due
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The other question is will at&t, Tmobile and Sprint get the Storm? Not a bad phone. | |
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Palm Inc.’s Pre and Pixi will be offered this month by Verizon Wireless, the second U.S. wireless carrier to sell the phones, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Verizon, the biggest U.S. mobile-phone service, will introduce the models this week at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, said the person, who declined to be named because the announcement hasn’t been made public. The Pre and Pixi, currently sold in the U.S. only by Sprint Nextel Corp., will include some changes such as additional memory, the person said. Looks like Verizon is finally getting a full slate of smartphones from different vendors. That makes them even more formidable in the cellphone market.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: The end of stupid AT&T imposed app restrictions? Aren't you assuming that the app store doesn't know what carrier you have (how hard would that be?) and tailor your selections accordingly.
That would make a great commercial... Verizon showing a user downloading apps vs. the ATT message that you need to be on a WiFi network because the app is too big. | |
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It would also require app developers to develop multiple versions of the same app for different carriers which would be a nightmare.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: The end of stupid AT&T imposed app restrictions? I'm not following your logic. Deciding whether or not an application is available to you based on carrier would be very easy. It doesn't require a developer to create multiple versions of the application and it doesn't require Apple to create multiple stores. If the iPhone was available on T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon, each carrier could be part of the application approval process. Apple's store could know your carrier either because Apple knows who bought the iPhone from them (by serial number) or because the device knows the carrier on which it's operating and sends that as part of the sign-in/connection process.
If the iPod application store is the same store as the iPhone store, Apple already does this based on device type. My son has an iPod Touch and he wanted to download the MotionX GPS application I have on my iPhone. He couldn't download it because the iPod Touch doesn't have GPS capabilities and the store did not make it available to him. | |
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This already affects non-U.S. iPhone users who don't even use AT&T since 3G support has been disabled in the apps and there is only 1 app.
In other words even if the iPhone was available on T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon, the Sling app would still only over WiFi because there is only one version of the Sling app in the store.
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: The end of stupid AT&T imposed app restrictions? Enabling and disabling 3G for specific carriers doesn't require a second application or any changes to the Apple store. It requires a configuration file that tells the application how to behave on the various carriers. The iPhone Software Development Kit (SDK) already allows an application to know how it's connected (3G or WiFi). Unless Apple was completely and utterly without foresight, it's likely that the SDK also offers a way to retrieve a carrier identification string. (The main screen on the iPhone already displays the carrier name so it's there...)
Armed with this information, it then becomes part of the approval process for the application store. Carriers say yes or no as to permitting the application 3G network access during the application approval process. When the user installs and uses the application, it queries the carrier identification string and looks it up in the config file. If the enable bit is off for the carrier, the "only available on WiFi" error is thrown.
If Apple was thinking, there may even be a standardized approach provided by the SDK for developers to tailor their applications and meet various carrier-requested customizations or restrictions. For instance, if one carrier subsidized the development of an application, this would offer a way to have extra features when the application is used on that carrier's network.
All of these techniques are widely recognized and used in the software industry to allow a single code base (one application) to morph its behavior based on its environment. The infamous, useful and much maligned Windows registry is an example of Microsoft's attempt at a standard way to persist configuration and preferences. (Obviously too much of a good thing is nuts, but it's better than thousands of ini files...)
I will grant you that the iPhone SDK may not yet support this behavior. If it doesn't, Apple could easily provide it with the next SDK and OS upgrade.
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Williamsport, PA | Re: Pricing is why it didn't happen and won't happen said by ravensfan55:The reason the iPhone wasn't launched on Verizon was because of the pricing and whole money situation. If Apple is indeed taking to Verizon, they have leverage knowing that AT&T is more than happy to fork over the $$$$$ if Verizon won't. Apple's days are numbered, and they would be wise to get their product on as many networks as possible (preferably all of them). It is only a matter of time before other offerings equal the iPhone in all aspects. I'd say Android is almost there, but not quite.
It will be interesting to see what the next iPhone has to offer over the 3GS. At the very least, they need to improve the screen with a much higher resolution and it wouldn't hurt to improve battery performance.
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Love or hate Apple, the fact remains that there's been a string of "iPod/iPhone" killers and they've all been met with at best, moderate success at sucking customers from Apple's other competitors. People want this device so badly that they will endure sub-par cellular coverage to have it. Not all of them are making a social statement by having one; there's significant merits to the product.
Apple has set the bar high, and hype has nudged the bar up even higher because unless the product really is the "iPhone killer", it's deemed "almost as good as an iPhone". That's not necessarily fair; the Droid is a very capable device and given the same number revisions as the iPhone has had, it too will be very good. But will it still be only as good as the current iPhone? Time will tell. | |
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And how do you knwo the Nexus One is not an iPhone Killer? Google has their OS on every carrier except ATT. If the Google OS becomes the main stream Apple will have problems, especially if Google builds a program like the iTunes Store, which they could be now for all we know.
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: It's the ecosystem! Why build? Google could just purchase something like Spotify and build upon a service already in production. That would be a way to really stick it to Apple, since there's already a Spotify app available for the iPhone.
I can see the commercials now... "Want the Google Experience? There's an app for that..."
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Google would do the same and actually does.
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