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Re: Thottle me !I want them to not only monitor my website visits, but block access to websites for me.
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Re: Thottle me !kinda a stupid move by Verizon. what the hell else are you going to use the 50-100Mbps connections with?? The sole purpose for huge bandwidth packages is to stream video, and bit torrent like there's no tomorrow. | |
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Re: Thottle me !I will use my connection to host thousands of left 4 dead servers. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by brianiscool:I will use my connection to host thousands of left 4 dead servers. and your ISP will cut you off. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by 88615298:and your ISP will cut you off. Why would they? You're not going anything that's considered "piracy". | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by SimbaSeven:said by 88615298:and your ISP will cut you off. Why would they? You're not going anything that's considered "piracy". Once again my ISP Charter has rules against that in their TOS which have been in place for YEARS. In fact Charter has rules against copyright infringement for years that allow them to cut you off. Most ISPS have had these rules for years even before this deal with the MPAA and RIAA. There has been nothing stopping an ISP from cutting you off already. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by 88615298:Once again my ISP Charter has rules against that in their TOS which have been in place for YEARS. In fact Charter has rules against copyright infringement for years that allow them to cut you off. Running several L4D servers isn't piracy. *sigh* | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by SimbaSeven:said by 88615298:Once again my ISP Charter has rules against that in their TOS which have been in place for YEARS. In fact Charter has rules against copyright infringement for years that allow them to cut you off. Running several L4D servers isn't piracy. *sigh* I didn't say it was. sigh. reading is fundamental. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by 88615298:said by SimbaSeven:said by 88615298:Once again my ISP Charter has rules against that in their TOS which have been in place for YEARS. In fact Charter has rules against copyright infringement for years that allow them to cut you off. Running several L4D servers isn't piracy. *sigh* I didn't say it was. sigh. reading is fundamental. Yes, you implied it. Quit with your trolling. | |
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why should they care if a user runs a game server or not? it doesn't use much bandwidth and it is doubtful that it would have any impact on the service. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by ArrayList:why should they care if a user runs a game server or not? it doesn't use much bandwidth and it is doubtful that it would have any impact on the service. It uses quite a bit of bandwidth, depending on the game of course, brings the risk of DDoS attacks, and can cause issues. | |
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Re: Thottle me !what game servers do you run? I run a very active tf2 server and it barely uses 50gb per month. That is not a lot of data. | |
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said by ArrayList:what game servers do you run? I run a very active tf2 server and it barely uses 50gb per month. That is not a lot of data. I ran a somewhat active Minecraft server for a while, it used like 150-250GB per month of bandwidth. I recently shut it down after nearly three months of daily DDoS attacks (reaching into the 4Gbit range at one point). I'm glad I didn't run it at home, it would have been 1000x worse to deal with. | |
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said by 88615298:said by SimbaSeven:said by 88615298:and your ISP will cut you off. Why would they? You're not going anything that's considered "piracy". Once again my ISP Charter has rules against that in their TOS which have been in place for YEARS. In fact Charter has rules against copyright infringement for years that allow them to cut you off. Most ISPS have had these rules for years even before this deal with the MPAA and RIAA. There has been nothing stopping an ISP from cutting you off already. So what does that have to do with hosting game servers on Verizon? Last I knew Charter can only wish they were Verizon considering no one wanted to buy them. Then again the person you were originally replying to is lying. Even Verizon's fastest tier cannot sustain "thousands" of game servers. | |
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said by AnonPerson:I want them to not only monitor my website visits, but block access to websites for me. Nowhere does it say you will be premantly blocked from websites. | |
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said by 88615298:said by AnonPerson:I want them to not only monitor my website visits, but block access to websites for me. Nowhere does it say you will be premantly blocked from websites. said by Fernando Laguarda, Time Warner Cables Vice President of External Affairs :, said his company will take a slightly different approach. The notification and acknowledgment phases are fairly similar, but instead of reducing connection speeds they will restrict users Internet browsing by directing them to a landing page. Laguarda did not explain in detail for how long users will be restricted or what websites they will be able to reach, if any. Sounds to me like TWC is gonna block you. And if I remember the original proposal for Six strikes it was to block you permanently. | |
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said by brianiscool:I want them to throttle me because I do nothing wrong. If you do nothing wrong you won't be throttled. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by 88615298:If you do nothing wrong you won't be throttled. Oh, you know something will go wrong. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by SimbaSeven:said by 88615298:If you do nothing wrong you won't be throttled. Oh, you know something will go wrong. No I don't know that. I HIGHLY doubt someone will be falsely accused 5 times in a row. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by 88615298:No I don't know that. I HIGHLY doubt someone will be falsely accused 5 times in a row. LOL. Your faith in the system is laughably misplaced. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by pnh102:said by 88615298:No I don't know that. I HIGHLY doubt someone will be falsely accused 5 times in a row. LOL. Your faith in the system is laughably misplaced. Yeah call me out when the first verifiable case of someone getting false accused 5 times happens. Otherwise I call bullshit. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by 88615298:Yeah call me out when the first verifiable case of someone getting false accused 5 times happens. Otherwise I call bullshit. Why don't we instead implement a system that can actually positively identify a particular person who is engaging in infringing activity instead? Do you really wish to pin your hopes on a system that you think should work? I've long argued that content providers already have numerous legal avenues through which they can seek relief from infringement of their works. They have ready access to civil courts, and they have purchased numerous laws which offload the task of copyright enforcement to the government. Shouldn't this be enough? | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by pnh102:said by 88615298:Yeah call me out when the first verifiable case of someone getting false accused 5 times happens. Otherwise I call bullshit. Why don't we instead implement a system that can actually positively identify a particular person who is engaging in infringing activity instead? Do you really wish to pin your hopes on a system that you think should work? I've long argued that content providers already have numerous legal avenues through which they can seek relief from infringement of their works. They have ready access to civil courts, and they have purchased numerous laws which offload the task of copyright enforcement to the government. Shouldn't this be enough? I'll play along let's say some how someone does manage to get falsely accused 5 times. what happens? termination of internet? Nope. jail time? Nope. Throttling? yep. For 3 whole fucking days. Big whoop. | |
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Re: Thottle me !man of principle, you are. | |
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How can anything be verified? Like the bandwidth "meters" the ISP controls all of the "evidence" and there is no independent oversight. | |
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said by 88615298:Yeah call me out when the first verifiable case of someone getting false accused 5 times happens. Otherwise I call bullshit. Can you imagine if BBR or your ISP had a similar policy on shills? All it would take is for us to accuse you for being a shill 5 times for you to get banned from sites where you are a suspect. You would then have to pay 35 dollars to contest the accusation if you wanted to visit any site where you are a shill suspect. By the way, if such a system was in place you would be long gone from here ^_^ | |
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Re: Thottle me !This place is SO full of TROLLS! It makes intelligent discussion on a topic here virtually impossible. SMH | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by w5nl0:This place is SO full of TROLLS! It makes intelligent discussion on a topic here virtually impossible. SMH I laughed at Justin way back when he had the idea for DSLReports. it is what it is . as for my sarcastic view of business practices in America where they kill there mom's for a quarter, I worry not about loosing my internet service because one of my kids or grandkids is downloading crap of the net. at the end of the day I can switch internet providers or get a 10.00 proxy / anon account and continue at a bit slower speeds but all incrypted across what my ISP sees. and yes this is the home of the ISP ball lickers ALWAYS has been | |
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said by 88615298:No I don't know that. I HIGHLY doubt someone will be falsely accused 5 times in a row. Hey, ya never know until it actually happens. Just like people being charged ~12qn euros. | |
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Re: Thottle me !said by SimbaSeven:said by 88615298:No I don't know that. I HIGHLY doubt someone will be falsely accused 5 times in a row. Hey, ya never know until it actually happens Sounds like advice you should take too. | |
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"In the end, the company admitted the bill should have been for 117.21 euros only, and eventually waived it altogether"So that was ONCE, and it was satisfactorily resolved in the customer favor, when she point it out. No execution, No Jail time, No big deal, Just a bureaucratic error. Really has little to do with being warned 6 times about illegal downloads. | |
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said by 88615298:I HIGHLY doubt someone will be falsely accused 5 times in a row. Hahaha!! Tell that to my neighbor!! He is an old geezer with a 'Palin 2012' bumper sticker whose WEP I cracked last year I don't know if he has gotten any notices but I suspect he will be throttled real soon. No big loss to him, he probably won't even notice the difference. Big loss to me though, I will have to find another connection. | |
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said by 88615298:said by brianiscool:I want them to throttle me because I do nothing wrong. If you do nothing wrong you won't be throttled. Really? So, Karl's thousands of articles here in the last few years of people either not downloading what they said, not downloading the amount stated, etc....are all lies? | |
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So in other words you are saying, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.", the battle cry of those who wish to rip the fourth amendment right out of the constitution. | |
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Apparently they fail to understand that people don't have 10MB, 15MB, 30MB and higher connections just to watch youtube videos. Just like those conair massage wands aren't for aching backs. | |
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Watch as network performance decreases for all...Whenever anyone, ISP or otherwise deploys equipment to throttle or block access, network performance will decrease. I've noticed in the past few months Verizon's network hasn't had quite the snap that it normally has when loading up content. Yet, my latency is fine and my speed is there, and performance for real time applications hasn't quite changed. It's pretty typical with the signs I see on networks with filtering appliances or other such "monitoring" solutions.
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Unfair DiscriminationThis is discrimination against those with eye patches and peg legs. Good thing I dont live in verizon territory or Time Warner.
An ISP is not a judge or jury, they have no business wasting customer monthly payments to screw over customers.
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someone will sue their ISP when...Someone will sue their ISP when the internet is filtered. It will become a violation of first amendment law(as censorship already is) to censor the web in the manner they are speaking of. I hope im the first, and I get to sue the shit out of my ISP and become a millionair from their stupidity. Oh wait, im on charter, who does not give a flying fuck anyways.
Either way, someone will sue their ISP once they are throttled or their internet is censored, and will probably win, and since we can no longer sue as a class, it will result in the EFF telling people to file hundreds of small claims court cases, resulting in exponential court costs for the ISP. One round of thousands of filings of small claims court cases would probably encourage an ISP to get rid of the class action crap in their ToS. | |
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Telling...said by Karl :As for concerns that the six strikes plan is really about collecting user data for more lawsuits, the MPAA insisted they won't be suing users, though many copyright holders want the option to remain on the table. How did we go from "pirates" to "users" in the span of a few paragraphs? "Users" is such a nice, innocuous term; how about "alleged infringers"? | |
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Big dealOk so if decide to start pirating the worse Verizon will do to me is throttle my connection for 3 days and only AFTER I get caught 5 times. And people are getting their panties in an uproar why? | |
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Re: Big dealOnly time will tell, one way or the other. It all depends on if the number of strikes a person has ever resets. If not, I expect that more than a few innocents will get caught up in this. | |
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Re: Big dealsaid by Jim Kirk:Only time will tell, one way or the other. It all depends on if the number of strikes a person has ever resets. If not, I expect that more than a few innocents will get caught up in this. I doubt that. I do suspect many people CLAIMING innocence. Let's look at a place that already has a law like this. France has had 3 strikes for 3 years now. 1 million people have gotten a first strike. Only 318 have gotten a 3rd strike. And Verizon is giving out 5 strikes. Oh and ZERO people have gotten kicked of the internet in France even though it's allowed after strike 3. | |
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I don't get it.A strike occurs when your ISP receives a copyright notice from a copyright holder indicating you have committed copyright infringement. Currently copyright holders do not make a lot of errors compared to the amount of notices they send out. But for that matter, has anyone here ever received one of those? Probably. Has anyone ever received one out of error? Probably not.
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Destruction of constitutional protections.This is another new way to destroy citizens constitutional protections. Holding broadband account holders responsible for the use of their broadband connection when a violation occurs without identifying the actual violator is another example of the destruction of constitutional protections.
Here in Central Florida the local politicians have authorized a private company to install traffic signal cameras. The owner of a vehicle that runs a red light is ticketed even if they are not identified as driving the vehicle at the time. Worse a local television stations consumers reporter, reported that citations were being sent to the wrong vehicle owners. When several vehicle owner requested a copy of the photo of the infraction the color of the vehicle in the photo did not match the color of their vehicle that was registered to license plate. The representatives of company that installed the cameras and who were the initiator of the citations refused to invalidate them until the consumer reporter got involved. One conclusion is that the only purpose of the traffic signal cameras is to shake down vehicle owners.
If the current trend continues all resident of a multifamily building will be held responsible if any other resident living in the building commits a crime.
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People are Living in a rich fantasy landSo you want to be monitored. Have you looked to see what is monitoring your web activities now? Everything you do has something watching and recording. Online news services are the worst. FireFox has a nifty add on that lets you see who is tracking you. Foxnews, has at least 25 trackers monitoring you each one of these tracker has a bunch that are tracking them. You could have 50, 60, 70 different trackers watching your activities. So if you ever want to run as a Republican for a political office. Your history of going to websites featuring pictures of naked dogs horrible sites, AKC, Dogworld, Showdog, etc, will be plastered all over the headlines. | |
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Re: People are Living in a rich fantasy landNo but we already are and have been for years. If you're on the internet you have to assume you are being monitored. Trust I'm probably more pro-privacy than anyone on this board ever. | |
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How does IPV6 play in to IP tracking?How does the use of IPV6 addresses play in to this? Are the ISPs tracking those addresses too. Are IPV6 addresses being used logged by the ISPs and the XXAAs also? | |
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Re: How does IPV6 play in to IP tracking?The ISPs are not the ones doing the tracking. They're just providing the IP --> user lookup, and forwarding the notices to the users.
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This riaa/mpaa pushFor this makes me wonder if at&t's plans for upgrades were not spot on. Think about it... if you didn't need the bandwidth (cause you didn't want to get caught) just as well save money on the bill. Granted, some will still byte (pun intended), but if the party is over, party is over. Some of course will figure it out and encrypt or VPN their connections, not everyone will though.
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Re: This riaa/mpaa pushJust more reason to go to usenet and use foreign VPN's with 256 AES encryption. | |
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user experience..you can imagine how this might square with their current tv commercials which tout all the speed and high quality services they deliver..
sometimes when reality doesn't meet expectations, customers make other choices..
this can equally apply to a cable company offering similar user experience practices..
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This plan will stop nothing.This will stop nothing. If the worst that's gonna happen is slowing your download for a few days, even if your strikes don't reset after 6 in 2 or 3 days your speed will be back to normal until caught again. Filters like Time Warner plan to use would be much more effective. | |
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Re: This plan will stop nothing.Let's be honest. Depending on how much they throttle most people won't even notice. If you have a 50mbps plans and they throttle it to say, 10mbps, Netflix is still going to work. Unless you cut it below 3mbps, there is a good chance it will go unnoticed. | |
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Re: This plan will stop nothing.said by silbaco:Let's be honest. Depending on how much they throttle most people won't even notice. If you have a 50mbps plans and they throttle it to say, 10mbps, Netflix is still going to work. Unless you cut it below 3mbps, there is a good chance it will go unnoticed. Exactly, i've got the 75/35. They would have to throttle me severely for it to bother me all that much over a 2-3 day period. | |
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