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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by Matt :said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! I don't think it is about the money, but rather the blatant attempt to get one over on their customers. I always called and got the $2 back, but it was annoying and it was(along with lack of good smartphones) that that made me leave Verizon and switch to Sprint this past summer. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! I don't think it is about the money, but rather the blatant attempt to get one over on their customers. I always called and got the $2 back, but it was annoying and it was(along with lack of good smartphones) that that made me leave Verizon and switch to Sprint this past summer. I think they're banking on people to just get annoyed and eventually get frustrated enough to stop calling and let it go. After all, it's only $2. I hate to say it, but if this repeatedly happened to me, I'd probably let it go as $2 is just not worth my time. I think it might depend on how busy I am at work and if I feel like letting go on someone though.  -- trafficcloak.com - pptp/sstp vpn services | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! Thinks of it this way... VZW has 89 million customers. I'd assume that at least 1/2 have some form of data package.
Lets do some easy math and assume 1/4 have this $2 bill.
$2 /month x 25 million subscribers = $50 million/month
That's a whole lotta money pulled in... for nothing. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| said by TKJunkMail : I always called and got the $2 back, but it was annoying I went thru the same thing when they kept billing me for the VZW Navigator and other trial subscriptions months after I had cancelled them. I'd complain, they'd remove the charges and assure me that it was now cancelled, only to be billed for it again the following month.
In this case, they didn't even do that for me. I got stuck with an extra $8 on my bill (I have four lines), and I'm wondering if the same thing's going to happen again next month. Unfortunately, I recently upgraded the phones on three of the lines, so I'm stuck with them for another two years. | |
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| On my last two Sprint phones (without data plans) if I hit anything that would start a data connection, it would always ask if that's what I wanted to do. I always said no and I've never been charged.
It's a shame...I've been hearing good things about Droid and would consider looking into switching to Verizon were it not for the fact that the company is so darn shady. -- "Religion allows people who would otherwise be arguing about whether the Death Star could beat a Borg Cube to have a place of respect within society." | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by bent :Ok, you and every other VZ customer can send that $2 to me if it's no big deal. You mean the 86.3 million retail customers
it's just two measly dollars.
BTW when I had Mmode from AT&T I asked to have them block all our phone from going online, we'd get the error which is normal but we NEVER got charged. | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! I have the option on my phone itself to block data services. I can still send txt and picture messages, but trying to open any of the online services shows as blocked. I've never been hit with the fee.
So I assume the method that does get you hit is when you have VZ block data from their end. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/4x 2048Mb G.Skill/WD Raptor 300Gb/3x WD20EADS 2TB/2x PNY GTX 260/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! We did the same thing when we noticed some (small) data charges on our new phones. It turns out my mother-in-law (who is on our plan) kept hitting the wrong keys and would go online. So now she can't go online even if she wanted to. Now, if new data charges show up, we'll know they're bogus. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar and/or a photo book. Shooting For A Cause | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! They do it on purpose!. They setup the new phones with the upkey shortcut to the internet by defult. I called and went to the store twice when my doughters new phone got $300 data charged the first week. But they never pointed that out until I got really upset and threaten to open a case with BBB, etc. Phone companies and Banks are licensed crookes. | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by bobny1 :They do it on purpose!. They setup the new phones with the upkey shortcut to the internet by defult. I called and went to the store twice when my doughters new phone got $300 data charged the first week. But they never pointed that out until I got really upset and threaten to open a case with BBB, etc. Phone companies and Banks are licensed crookes. You forgot to add insurance companies to your list. -- Greedy Old Pigs | |
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join:2004-09-10 Bronx, NY | Re: Whoop de doo! You kidding me!!. They want to charge me flood insurance for my grave..LOL | |
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| said by Warzau :said by bent :Ok, you and every other VZ customer can send that $2 to me if it's no big deal. You mean the 86.3 million retail customersit's just two measly dollars. It's kind of like the "rounding" scams. Yeah, it's less than a cent, but you add up enough of them and you're talking Real Money(TM). -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
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join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: Whoop de doo! no send that $2 my way
I just want $2 from 1/4 of the world (if we assume the world pop is 6billion people) 6,000,000,000*.25+$2.00=$3,000,000,000 | |
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| said by Warzau :You mean the 86.3 million retail customersWouldn't that actually be 86.3 million minus how many already pay for data where a accidental activation of a data service wouldn't have a negative impact? | |
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I believe that's $300 Million per month. | |
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| said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! I dont know about you but I work damn hard for my money and I dont think a company should be allowed to scam it like that.
It might be a tiny amount but imagine how many times you or I get screwed by a company engaging in these types of practices. Say you have 5 companies you deal with doing something like that, thats $24 a yr * 5. If that still means nothing to you then Ill give you my paypal and you can send it to me. | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by Omega :For me, 1 cent is too much. You pick up pennies off the ground if you dropped them?
You pick up pennies off the ground if they are abandoned? | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by patcat88 :said by Omega :For me, 1 cent is too much. You pick up pennies off the ground if you dropped them? You pick up pennies off the ground if they are abandoned? I always carry change with me, tossing a penny here and there on the ground, which my wife can't resist picking up.
Yes, I am easily amused. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/4x 2048Mb G.Skill/WD Raptor 300Gb/3x WD20EADS 2TB/2x PNY GTX 260/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler | |
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| The point is that they are charging something that they know is bogus. They could easily set a limit on the amount of data used (0.05kb) before you incur a charge and prevent it but they don't. They could also program the directional keys to a function that does not access the internet (I've done that on my own Verizon phone) but, again, they don't. | |
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| Re: Whoop de doo! said by vzw emp :
The point is that they are charging something that they know is bogus. They could easily set a limit on the amount of data used (0.05kb) before you incur a charge and prevent it but they don't. They could also program the directional keys to a function that does not access the internet (I've done that on my own Verizon phone) but, again, they don't. Right... That would cost Verizon millions, if an employee tried to make that happen, they would be fired! | |
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| The bigger question for you is, if someone robbed you, and all you had was $2 and they ran off, would you file a police report? What if it was $200? What if 2cents? Would you care to file a police report, or feel robbed? I mean, you WERE robbed, its how you feel about it that counts and what you do about it. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Well, it is good luck to do so! 8-)
Sure! Every heard of the phrase " a penny saved is a penny earned"? Of course, those pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters may be pretty darned dirty! | |
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| said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! That's the exact attitude they are hoping for. That $2 to you is tens of millions in dollars to them. It's what old-timers refer to as "nickel and diming". I'm for businesses making a profit, but charging for services not provided is stealing. I've worked in businesses where this behavior was rationalized. | |
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| said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! Unless you have more than one line, like I do. This phantom charge showed up on all four of my lines. | |
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join:2009-06-26 Cedar Park, TX | Sweet! Then you won't mind giving me $2 a month from now on. Now if I can just find a few million more just like you. | |
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| said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! Then you won't mind sending me $2 every month. it's only $2 so you should have no problem sending me the $2 every month for me doing nothing. It's only $2. PM me and I'll give you my paypal email address to send the money to. | |
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| said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! ...a month times all the phones that accidently incur the charge. It adds up to big money, my friend. | |
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| hey doofus, what do you think two dollars is multipled by hundreds of thousands of customers?
There goes your CEO's bank account. Nice job throwing your $2 into it.
while you're at it, why don't you donate $2 to me, on that same principle? | |
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| said by Deft :two measly dollars!!!! there goes my bank account! ok !!!!!send me 300$million please its not much really | |
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join:2003-08-04 Manchester, NH | Re: Whoop de doo! Those who don't think 2 bucks is a big deal are probably the same people who complain about not being able to pay there bills every month. Surprised a state attorney general hasn't stepped up here...some serious laws being broken! | |
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Just because it's unethical doesn't mean it's illegal. | |
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| its unethical but I don't know the legality of purposefully rigging phones to send a few BYTES without user confirmation (you can't just push one button and send a blank text message somewhere). Also said BYTES being rounded up not to KILOBYTE but a whole MEGABYTE? thats ridiculous!!! 2 bucks at that, thats a lot of money per 0 or 1! | |
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| Are you saying that overcharging isn't illegal? Or is it only overcharging by a certain amount that is illegal? What if everyone opened their bill to find it $200 more than it should be? Would it be illegal for Verizon to knowingly charge $200 over the fair amount owed?
Note that word knowingly. The "insider" quoted is claiming that this is being intentionally done. If it is a software glitch, they should fix it and apologize. If it is done on purpose (or a software glitch that they purposefully don't fix), then they are defrauding customers. Last time I checked, fraud is illegal. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar and/or a photo book. Shooting For A Cause | |
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| It's not $2, it is about systematic theft. Sure, they refund the $2 if you ask. You don't ask, then they just keep it.
When caught in a billing error they should refund plus a penalty. If you make a "mistake" and send in too little, they sure hit you with a penalty fast enough. | |
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Send DSL reports $2 every time you use the Web ... why would i do that when i pay the interweb company already.. dont be retarded anon.. | |
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| Total BS This is total BS, but his math is off. It can't possibly happen to 89 million customers, as a large percentage of those have data plans already.
Regardless, I agree with his conclusion that it's nothing but a money grab. There are two very simple ways to resolve this; give the first MB of usage for free or disable data usage and prompt the user to enable if they really want to browse the web. -- trafficcloak.com - pptp/sstp vpn services | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: Total BS if you had the choice between bringing in 300 million a month or not--what would YOU do?
On the other hand, I'm surprised no lawyers haven't jumped in with a class-action suit yet. This is a juicy one. | |
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1 edit | Re: Total BS said by morbo :if you had the choice between bringing in 300 million a month or not--what would YOU do? On the other hand, I'm surprised no lawyers haven't jumped in with a class-action suit yet. This is a juicy one. I agree. I'm sure they are doing much worse for much less as we speak. -- trafficcloak.com - pptp/sstp vpn services | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | the longer it goes on, the larger the settlement and attorneys fees will be. | |
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| Sure Verizon is aware............ They will remove the $1.99 change if you call Customer Service, however, most folks probably don't even notice the charge on the bill or forget to call Verizon.
I have blocked data on my Verizon cell phone, but I guess I am old school and actually prefer email on my computer.  | |
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| Re: Sure Verizon is aware............ said by ptrowski :Good idea except for this line from the article. "You can of course have all data blocked. However, hitting one of these buttons by accident results in a message that the service is blocked -- a message that uses 0.06 kilobytes of data resulting in -- wait for it -- a $1.99 fee." Plus, on some phones blocking all data also prevents being able to send and receive picture messages that are included in the text plan.
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| Re: Sure Verizon is aware............ said by unknvoip :said by ptrowski :Good idea except for this line from the article. "You can of course have all data blocked. However, hitting one of these buttons by accident results in a message that the service is blocked -- a message that uses 0.06 kilobytes of data resulting in -- wait for it -- a $1.99 fee." Plus, on some phones blocking all data also prevents being able to send and receive picture messages that are included in the text plan. Nice, huh? Classy.... -- "So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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| said by unknvoip : Plus, on some phones blocking all data also prevents being able to send and receive picture messages that are included in the text plan. They told me the same thing when I called in to complain. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA
| Maybe customers should charge them for the time they have to waste by calling in to fix their mistake? $5.00 per incident minimum and it must be paid to the customer, not be a credit on their service!
We spend so much time on the phone to these types of idiots. It adds up! | |
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join:2007-02-06 Chesterton, IN
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| Fixxed this on some phones. I blocked all data yelled at verizon fifteen times about it. They dont charge me if i accendently access mobile web because it takes you to a manage acct screen first where you have to accept it or there you can manage your account for free. Just saying. Now on my fathers phone its a whole nother story and he has verizon too. Motorola instead of an LG. | |
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| Re: Fixxed this on some phones. That's what it used to do. Now you have to navigate through nearly 1MB worth of pay-for pages before you reach the landing site.
AT&T might suck coverage wise, but it makes me so much more happier I switched to them when I could last year. -- »www.speedtest.net/result/598063272.png | |
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join:2005-05-02 Pittsburgh, PA
| Those directional keys are re-programmable.
Also, as a former VZW rep (left in Aug), I can say with near perfect certainty that you are not billed data if all you do is open mobile web and view the homepage. Data billing starts once you go to the second page.
You are billed data the moment the Get It Now or Media Center application catalog is initialized.
You are not billed for the sending and receiving of picture/video messages. However, a complete data block will turn these services off.
It is very easy to be billed for data services, but it's also very easy to avoid the charges. I have 3 phones on my account, all capable of being charged for data. None of them have a data plan, nor any data blocks. I have never had a problem with these erroneous charges. All of the users know what not to do to avoid being billed. | |
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| I believe that they know about it... ...And do nothing about it.
I recently canceled my VZ home phone and DSL services. Before I did this, I called up and talked to customer service and asked if I was under a contract. They looked it up and said that I had no contract on the account.
A few days after that, I canceled my service with them. On my last bill, I had a $79 early termination fee. I called up and complained, they explained that it was a mistake and removed it.
I would bet that they apply an early termination fee to everyone's account that cancels too, just to see who pays and who doesn't. Why not make a little extra cash as the user is canceling, if they complain, remove it, if not, pocket it. I am willing to bet that if I had paid the ETF, and they had discovered the "error" they wouldn't have refunded me the money. | |
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join:2008-03-28
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| Dear Verizon Wireless, This is the kind of corporate attitude that keeps me from being one of your customers (except for your having bought Alltel and my waiting for that old balance to expire ).
Can you hear me now? | |
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| We had a $1.99 charge One day while examining our bill, we noticed a $1.99 charge. Not for data services, but for a phone's warranty. Now, we had never put a warranty on any of our phones, so this was a bit odd. We called up Verizon Wireless and it turned out that this charge was on there for over a year. We usually look at our bills closely, so I have no clue how we missed this (beyond that they seem to go out of their way to make bills hard to read). They refused to refund the past charges, but stopped the future warranty charges. Still, we were angry that they charged us $30 for warranty service that we never requested. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar and/or a photo book. Shooting For A Cause | |
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@omcastbusiness.net | Novel Idea Here's an idea start billing for data at 50k, problem solved! | |
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join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY
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| Shhh! They shouldn't be telling people about this or making this public. Otherwise, T-Mobile will probably start doing it. Of late, they seem to be copying all the bad practices of the other three. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. | |
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| Re: AT&T does this too said by NetFixer :I found a work around by changing the internet access settings to bogus values (at least in the phones currently on my account that I don't want to have internet access). Possibly Verizon phones can be similarly mis-configured to disable internet access? The APN (access point name) setting. I have never had a CDMA2K phone (VZW, Sprint, Bell Mobility, etc) so I don't know for sure, but AFAIK only GSM/UMTS/etc phones and networks (TMO, ATT, Rogers, etc) use that setting.
My carrier (TMO) does not have billed-by-usage data. You either have a monthly data plan or have zero Net access. The only exception is when someone does have a data plan and roams outside of the country (which the majority of the population don't anyway ), in which case mangling the APN is a quick-and-dirty hack to prevent unexpected data charges. | |
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| Re: AT&T does this too said by broccoli :The APN (access point name) setting. I have never had a CDMA2K phone (VZW, Sprint, Bell Mobility, etc) so I don't know for sure, but AFAIK only GSM/UMTS/etc phones and networks (TMO, ATT, Rogers, etc) use that setting. Actually, I tried to change that on the two phones I needed to block internet access, but those settings were read only and could not be changed. What I did was set the browser to use AT&T IMS instead of MEdia Net WAP. I then disabled the AT&T IMS service (which the phone did allow me to do). AT&T did not want to make it easy to avoid the bogus internet access charges. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -- Thomas Jefferson | |
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| My sister's phone had mysterious charges popping up. I asked her if they were right. I'd have paid them if they were, but..
Turns out, it was due to her kid grabbing the phone at times, and would hit the prominent 'death star' key.
They put a block on internet access for the phone, but, that disables MMS. | |
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 Eek2121 Lovin Verizon FIOS
join:2002-10-12 Flanders, NJ | Lawsuit I smell a class action lawsuit... | |
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join:2006-11-27 Jackson, WY | Re: Lawsuit Ya maybe they can put another button on there to send 1.99 do there defense team so it won't cost them any more. Maybe another to the class action team too. Thats all the benefit consumers will get out of this.
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@comcast.net
| 'Extra' fees Has anyone flown lately?
A fee for airport use A fee for take off and landing A fee for an extra bag A fee if your bag/s are over 50lbs A boarding fee A fee for a specific seat (aisle/window/exit row) A fee for a sandwhich on the plane A blanket and pillow fee A fee for lavatory usage (even if you don't use it) A fee for listening to music or watching the video A fee for a soft drink now
At your bank.
You have $3 in your account and you buy a large Mocha coffe for $5.69.... guess what? The bank allows the transaction on your ATM card KNOWING your account will go negative and you get charged a $35 fee.
Fees are big money makers. No way are corporations going to give them up. The one about long voicemail greetings with all those instructions... I already knew that was a scam to use up your minutes.
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join:2004-06-07 Little Falls, NJ 1 edit | since everyone's in such a giving moood... hello everyone! I'm in a bit of a financial bind and i need some cash to get everything straightened out! I'll take $2 donations every month since $2 is no big deal! ^ ^ | |
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join:2003-03-31 Blue Point, NY
| I know what the phantom fee is (really!!!) The fee is for data use on an alternate carrier. This is how sneaky they are:
My family plan which includes a phone for my father was getting hit by the $1.99 fee. This was a data fee for a "data" connect. Funny thing about my fathers phone setup was "all text and data" was DISABLED. Nothing in nothing out! Period!
After some bitching a couple of months in a row about these fees. I pressed the VZR rep to explain how a disabled phone kept getting these charges. Well she did let the "CAT" out of the bag. She did confirm the phone was disabled, but then remarked it was not disabled for "roaming carriers". A demand for that block, stopped the phantom charges. This would make sense because of NIBY's in my area there is a section of road with absolute bad coverage. My father travels that route daily. Carrier drop out and re-sync could cause "who knows what to happen". | |
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join:2005-03-19 Homer Glen, IL
| Data charge after you block data? If you get a data charge AFTER you block data, then report it to your local Attorney General. That's like telling a webhoster to just shutoff your site after you exceed your allocated bandwidth to prevent overage fees and yet they still charge you for the hits to the error page.
If I had it IN WRITING that data is blocked, and they still charged me for data, off to the court I will go! Easy win as it is a breach of contract. Most expensive $1.99 they will ever make . Costs you what, $20 to file? Costs them thousands to send a lawyer out. The look on their faces when they loose, priceless. Unless of course in the contract it says that they may still charge for bandwidth, then it would go straight to the AG desk with the mentioned sentence(s) highlighted. Whats the point of blocking a service when you could still get charged for it?
Verizon is so freaking stupid. In fact all these carriers are stupid. It's simple to make all this bad press go away and they still make their money. Make the "Disabled internet" a feature that you pay $2 monthly for. This way the consumer is happy knowing that there wont be any "phantom" fees, and the carrier gets their money. Sure, I would agree that it would be completely stupid to charge for something like that, but this bad press isn't helping sell Driods now is it? | |
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 |  doppler
join:2003-03-31 Blue Point, NY
| Re: Data charge after you block data? said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :If you get a data charge AFTER you block data, then report it to your local Attorney General. That's like telling a webhoster to just shutoff your site after you exceed your allocated bandwidth to prevent overage fees and yet they still charge you for the hits to the error page. Verizon service has (2) two data services. One is there's the other is "Roaming data services". Asking to block, you better know there are TWO services. Otherwise, you will only get the verizon block. | |
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join:2005-03-19 Homer Glen, IL
| Re: Data charge after you block data? said by doppler :said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :If you get a data charge AFTER you block data, then report it to your local Attorney General. That's like telling a webhoster to just shutoff your site after you exceed your allocated bandwidth to prevent overage fees and yet they still charge you for the hits to the error page. Verizon service has (2) two data services. One is there's the other is "Roaming data services". Asking to block, you better know there are TWO services. Otherwise, you will only get the verizon block. I would say that if you have it in writing that all data services are blocked, I would say that is enough. Doesn't matter what services Verizon offers, if that piece of paper that Verizon (or the reps) sign says "ALL DATA IS BLOCKED", its a cut and dry court case. If a company refuses to give you a signed piece of paper that says that a certain service is blocked, canceled, disabled ect, report them to the AG because it's obviously something very fishy. Would you not agree? | |
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@suscom.net | Sprint that why there is Sprint | |
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 |   Zen6
@rr.com | Re: Sprint And the PSC. | |
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 |   Z80 1 point 77 Premium join:2009-08-31 Amerika | I thought Sprint is why they made razors to slit your wrists. | |
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join:2009-06-23 Tallahassee, FL | Phantom $1.99 charges Instead of $2 charges, I have been getting $2 credits off my bill... I wonder what's about. | |
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  Z80 1 point 77 Premium join:2009-08-31 Amerika
1 edit | Shockaroo...VZ has billing problems Whether wireless or wireline, Verizon is notorious for billing having their head in their asses. I had to finally cancel my VZW service because they continuously billed my Treo service for TWO PLANS every month. Yes, two plans on the same phone number. Every month I would call, rot on hold and be promised they would correct it. At the same time they told me to pay the correct amount (which they would tell me). The next month would roll around and not only was it not fixed, I owed a late fee. So I call again, they supposedly issue a credit. Then the next month rolls around and I get a DISCONNECTION NOTICE that if I don't may the huge sum of dough they would kill my service and I would owe all the money plus the $175 ETF. So then I would pay the money to keep from getting disconnected and they promised I would get a credit. Never happened. I finally cancelled and applied the overpayment toward the ETF and 4 months after cancellation a check finally showed up for the $180 balance. I read similar horror stories about FiOS billing.
VZ service is pretty good but their billing is completely F*CKED! | |
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