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story category Verizon's Cablevision Snark Fest Continues
Hey PC Magazine, competition is a GOOD thing...
(old news - 03:31PM Friday May 01 2009)
tags: competition · business · Op/Ed · cable · Verizon FIOS · Optimum Online
Earlier this week, Cablevision unveiled a new DOCSIS 3.0 service tier that delivers 101Mbps downstream and 15Mbps upstream for $99 with no caps, a good deal no matter what kind of technology you favor. The next day, Verizon was quick to call Cablevision's offer a "parlor trick," and a Verizon representative on Twitter has spent much of the week taking shots at Cablevision's offer. Verizon seemed interested in this particular story by PC Magazine Editor in Chief Lance Ulanoff, where he begins by claiming Cablevision's being misleading:
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The other morning as I prepared my lunch, I heard a new Cablevision Optimum Online commercial. . .The Optimum lady said that Verizon would deliver your broadband on its plain old copper lines. . .Optimum's tiny bit of misdirection leaves you with the impression that Verizon's FiOS service is a lie and is fiber in name only.
While the cable industry often likes to intentionally confuse the difference between core and last mile fiber, that doesn't appear to be the case here. We asked for a copy of the ad in question from Cablevision, and it turns out the specific ad was for Optimum's business service, the business logo clearly displayed throughout. Cablevision's ad was specifically responding to a Verizon ad for business-class 7Mbps DSL, not FiOS. Ulanoff goes on to make a few strange arguments about how Cablevision's new 101Mbps residential offer isn't really fast:
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At the same time, Cablevision is touting its new DOCSIS 3.0–based 100-Mbps, $99-a-month broadband service. It even got most of the major national media to name it the fastest cable in the country. This could lead people to think it's the "fastest broadband in the country."
Which is curious, since even including municipal fiber deployments in places like Lafayette, Louisiana, Cablevision's new tier is the fastest residential broadband in the country, barring a few tiny carriers. Ulanoff also argues that the service isn't really wanted, and that customers who might want 101Mbps connectivity are somehow being conned by Cablevision:
These superhigh speeds will roll out across the country, but only a handful of well-heeled customers will pay for them. Those users will inadvertently become foot soldiers in Cablevision's efforts to battle FiOS in the more affordable broadband space.
Describing consumers who want the fastest connection available as "foot soldiers" and "well-heeled" makes Cablevision's offer sound almost menacing. When the tier launches on May 11, consumers in our forums will be the first to tell you whether Cablevision is living up to their promise. While the new tier is certainly more than most users need, it's still a good value. Until the speed tests roll in, it seems like the technology press should be applauding the kind of one-upmanship Verizon and Cablevision are engaging in.

After all, it's what real competition looks like, potshots and all. Not that the potshots mean anything, anyway. Like their response to DOCSIS 3.0, Verizon has called Cablevision's decision to offer free Wi-Fi "a marketing ploy," yet the Wall Street Journal today cites insiders who say Verizon may offer free Wi-Fi themselves sometime this summer as part of a partnership with Boingo. It's likely that once Verizon gets done complaining, they'll eventually unveil their own 100Mbps FiOS offering. One more time with feeling: ain't competition grand?

Related:
  1. Craig Moffett: Network Upgrades Are For Ninnies
  2. Verizon Promises Not To Cherry Pick Philadelphia
  3. Real Consumer Group Takes Aim At Fake Ones
  4. Pittsburgh, Verizon Haggling Over FiOS
  5. Comcast 'Honors' FCC Authority On Neutrality
  6. What Network Neutrality Is REALLY About
  7. Verizon Won't 'Slavishly Satisfy' You With 100 Mbps FiOS
  8. Cable Industry: Shucks, Guess Nobody Wants CableCARDs
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pspcrazy
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Someone's being paid

Well it seems like someone's being paid off, or their just plain ignorant lol. Shame on you PC world. Lol not even knowing that 101 mbit is the fastest multi state residential in the U.S in quite funny.

Note that there is 1 faster then them only in santa barbara and around that area:

Paxio: »paxio.com/home.php?link=Internet

They offer 1 GBPS resedential, oh it would be a dream.
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Re: Someone's being paid

said by pspcrazy See Profile :

Well it seems like someone's being paid off, or their just plain ignorant lol. Shame on you PC world. Lol not even knowing that 101 mbit is the fastest multi state residential in the U.S in quite funny.

Note that there is 1 faster then them only in santa barbara and around that area:

Paxio: »paxio.com/home.php?link=Internet

They offer 1 GBPS resedential, oh it would be a dream.
Exactly! You wanna plunk down 250 a month for gig both ways internet, and you have something that could eat just about 30 somethings at the same time and still have room to spare.

After all, unless you use something like Flashget, you are limited to whatever a server can push out. What is it these days, 45-50Mbits? If a lot more people went for 100+ connections, I could definitely see myself doing several things at once besides this one download I'm working on at that moment.

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Re: Someone's being paid

most of the time its 10mbit or 100mbit per server on the dedi / colo sides of things. There are the few and far packages that let you pick up some odd unmetered port speeds. Most "servers" that your pulling sites from generally get billed on usage rather than speed.

:EDIT: And yes, before someone else comes up and says it in a snide remark.... the bandwidth does have to be shared amongst all those using that server, whether it be multiple sites or multiple visitors to said sites.

pspcrazy
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I would plunk it down just out of pure respect for them having the most aggressive speeds on the market 100 /100 for 100 a month is where usa should be at Who cares it we don't use it now, the key is that we'll be able to use it if needed.
PapaMidnight

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said by Chris 313 See Profile :

said by pspcrazy See Profile :

Well it seems like someone's being paid off, or their just plain ignorant lol. Shame on you PC world. Lol not even knowing that 101 mbit is the fastest multi state residential in the U.S in quite funny.

Note that there is 1 faster then them only in santa barbara and around that area:

Paxio: »paxio.com/home.php?link=Internet

They offer 1 GBPS resedential, oh it would be a dream.
Exactly! You wanna plunk down 250 a month for gig both ways internet, and you have something that could eat just about 30 somethings at the same time and still have room to spare.

After all, unless you use something like Flashget, you are limited to whatever a server can push out. What is it these days, 45-50Mbits? If a lot more people went for 100+ connections, I could definitely see myself doing several things at once besides this one download I'm working on at that moment.
I've got no issue bringing down 100mbits full rate from servers I visit regularly. I see no reason why anyone else should.

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by PapaMidnight See Profile :

I've got no issue bringing down 100mbits full rate from servers I visit regularly. I see no reason why anyone else should.

»i41.tinypic.com/35252zk.jpg
Your linked screen shot shows 8.07 megabytes per second which is 64 megabits per second or about 64% of 100 mbps... are you sure you don't have an issue?
PapaMidnight

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Re: Someone's being paid

Considering it was bursting up and down, and considering Windows reserves another 20% of available bandwidth (link speed was 100mbps), I'm positive.

NSA_CIA

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by PapaMidnight See Profile :

Considering it was bursting up and down, and considering Windows reserves another 20% of available bandwidth (link speed was 100mbps), I'm positive.
Bursting I could see if I was looking at peaks and not averages, but why does Windows reserve another 20% of available bandwidth? That would mean 10 mpbs customers won't get above 8 and 20 mbps customer never above 16. Never heard of that...

Karl Bode
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I don't think he's being paid, he just really likes FiOS. So do I, but the facts are the facts....the Cablevision offer is a good one, as long as they deliver the goods.

Jeffrey
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Re: Someone's being paid

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I don't think he's being paid, he just really likes FiOS. So do I, but the facts are the facts....the Cablevision offer is a good one, as long as they deliver the goods.
With the rumour of that high ($250 or up) price tag, I was shocked to see a $99 fee. I really didn't think they'd price it that low.
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Re: Someone's being paid

I feel like maybe the guy who leaked the trial in our forums was reading what the business cost will be? Not sure why the discrepancy.
Rasstar
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I can only see a few people willing to pay $99.00 for internet service. I already think $44.95 is too much.
PapaMidnight

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by Rasstar See Profile :

I can only see a few people willing to pay $99.00 for internet service. I already think $44.95 is too much.
Why not? People pay $149 and over $200 for TV.
FHBroadband

join:2009-04-15

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.

hopeflicker
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Re: Someone's being paid

said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
LOL
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jjeffeory

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
LOL
Yes, LOL...

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by jjeffeory See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
LOL
Yes, LOL...
OMG LOL!!!

Truth that some people here really don't have a clue...

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said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
TWC =FTTP
RCN =FTTP
VZ FTTH

(well for you anyways)

normal areas TWC/RCN =FTTN + Last mile copper

VZ FTTH = 100# into your house

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
TWC =FTTP
RCN =FTTP
VZ FTTH

(well for you anyways)

normal areas TWC/RCN =FTTN + Last mile copper

VZ FTTH = 100# into your house
And when it reaches your house it's converted to coax or UTP (cat5)

Anonymous_
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Re: Someone's being paid

said by Eat Me See Profile :

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
TWC =FTTP
RCN =FTTP
VZ FTTH

(well for you anyways)

normal areas TWC/RCN =FTTN + Last mile copper

VZ FTTH = 100# into your house
And when it reaches your house it's converted to coax or UTP (cat5)
just get a fiber network card
patcat88

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

just get a fiber network card
But the ONT doesn't have a 1000-SX port!!!!

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Re: Someone's being paid

sooner or later they will offer a network card for it
PapaMidnight

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said by Eat Me See Profile :

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
TWC =FTTP
RCN =FTTP
VZ FTTH

(well for you anyways)

normal areas TWC/RCN =FTTN + Last mile copper

VZ FTTH = 100# into your house
And when it reaches your house it's converted to coax or UTP (cat5)
Or cat6e. The point is that the scalability is there and available.

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Re: Someone's being paid

said by PapaMidnight See Profile :

Or cat6e. The point is that the scalability is there and available.
Cable has scalability. You seem to forget that most of cable's network is already fiber.

Smith6612
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lol....

baineschile
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Re: Someone's being paid

Someone, just do it already.
FTTD
(Fiber To The Desktop)

Hpower
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"touch it, smell it and feel it." that made me laugh :P
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Re: Someone's being paid

said by Hpower See Profile :

"touch it, smell it and feel it."
Time Warner…the new aphrodisiac!

You REALLY need to get out more!

Madness
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Re: Someone's being paid

He was probably thinking of something I won't mention here.
PapaMidnight

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said by FHBroadband See Profile :

Time Warner vs FIOS.

Time Warner is REAL FIBER here. Yes, I can touch it, smell it and feel it. It is fiber optics to right in front of the building.

RCN is fiber as well to the basement of the complex.

Verizon FIOS pretends its some new fiber network, it is not.
Okay, so you've got Fiber to the Node. Awesome.
Verizon builds fiber straight to the ONT which sits on your very unit.

There is a big difference. One relies on coaxial and/or copper to run the last mile, one doesn't.
Core0000
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Whoa! That's amazing!

It's sad how.. it cost me 44.34 for 2.0-2.5ish Mb d, and 384k up from Windstream aka 'slow stream'.. and over there you can get 20 megs down and up.. for just a dash more..

*Sighs*

I am green with envy.

On a side note.. This is why the internet is great, you can learn about so many wonderful things you can't have.

Bit
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00000

Instead of nit picking how about asking...

..."Where is Verizon with their 102Mb response? Let VZ put up or shut up."

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viperlmw
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Just a point

"Which is strange, since even including municipal fiber deployments in places like Lafayette, Louisiana, the new offering is the fastest broadband in the country."

This quote strikes me as odd for 2 reasons. If we are talking about business broadband, then wouldn't OCx connections count? Also, Lafayette muni fiber seems to be for residential use, no mention of business class on their site.

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Jeffrey
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I love competition!

I have to admit, living in CV and Fios territory makes some great competition. I was a CV subscriber from 1999-2005, and when I left in 2005, the service was far from adequate. Turned to Fios, and never looked back. Recently, I moved to an area that doesn't have Fios (yet), but my CV connection (Boost, at 30/5) is absolutely stellar, mostly through the help of the people here at the Optonline Direct forum.

It will be very interesting to see what happens with CV's new tier. I find it a little annoying that a second modem is required for their Optimum Phone offering on this new tier. There is probably a good reason for that, one which is more than likely over my head. For now, I have an amazingly fast Boost connection, and while the price point of $99 is excellent, I'll let some other people be the guinea pig for that tier for a little bit.

I'll be watching the Optonline forum to see the speeds that people who subscriber to that tier actually achieve; especially during the peak times. Likewise, I'll be watching what Verizon's counteraction will be, and what it may mean for my parents Fios connection.

Competition is good.
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morbo
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VZ should blow them away...

with their next tier: 150Mbps or 200Mbps for $98

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Bobcat
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Ain't competition grand?

Competition hasn't done much for me. I don't want higher speeds, I want lower prices. I pay $32 per month for broadband, and that's too high.
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bellhead

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Ftth

We're about two years away from the next evolution of the pon networking gear. Once this gets deployed it takes ftth up to around 288 mgs down. Moore's law is applying here also!!!!

Hopefully they will find a way to weave d-3 into it. Then 1g at my house is mine finally.

jmn1207
Premium
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·Verizon FIOS

Speed Test?

I'm not really interested in seeing a captured image from the results of some online speed test. Tests like those make Comcast service with Powerboost seem much better than it is, but the reality, from my own testing, suggests that the speed test sites don't tell me very much.

I would like to see a sustained download or upload with a larger file, and not just some quick flash of performance. This new Cablevision plan also will use "Boost", so who knows what the results would look like from Speed Test.net or a similar test site? How stable is the 15Mbps upload going to be when pushing a 200MB video file? Something like that would be much more useful to me for making a comparison.

I wish Verizon would stop with the bashing. The more they attack Cablevision's new tier as a "gimmick", the less likely it will be that they will offer something similar or better, at least in the short term. I'm definitely in the put up or shut up camp.
joebarnhart
Paxio evangelist

join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA

Re: Speed Test?

Forgive me for chiming in on an old thread. But I am lucky enough to have Paxio 100/100 service (which I love) and I live to oblige those who ask for speed tests...


jmn1207
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Re: Speed Test?

Nice, but at least read the first sentence from my post.
joebarnhart
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Santa Clara, CA

Re: Speed Test?

Well, from the Visualware site they have another speed test. It seems like a long test -- surely enough to get past any "boost" times if your provider does that trick (Paxio does not).

These results were somewhat compromised because my system kicked off an automatic backup while the test was running. (I re-ran them and they were only a little higher, see »mcssjc.visualware.com/myspeed/db···id=73393.)

Speed test statistics
---------------------
Download speed: 89160544 bps
Upload speed: 86288224 bps
Quality of service: 96 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum download pause: 16 ms
Average download pause: 1 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 2 ms
Average round trip time to server: 3 ms

Anyway, you can believe that Paxio is good or not. If I didn't have Paxio but could get FIOS I would not feel deprived. But Paxio is the real deal -- pure fiber w/o oversubscribing. 100% bandwidth, 100% of the time.

jmn1207
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Re: Speed Test?

I know Paxio is good, I've raved about it on more than one occasion on these very forums. I wish it were more widely available to others. My original comment was regarding those with boost and the inflated numbers reported from speed tests that take less than 30 seconds to come up with a score. In my post I offered a solution that anyone could try for free, that provided a more accurate test using real files.

Again, I believe Paxio is great, not simply good. I believe Cablevision and Comcast are good, too. It's just that with the cable company speed test results, those are inflated due to the boost included, and those speeds will drop after a short time. For me, with Comcast, the boost will only last for the first 20MB down and the first 10MB up. Typically this is more than enough to handle the short duration of any browser-based speed test most people use.

Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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"Until the speed tests roll in"

Is there even a bi-directional speed test around that reliably reports 100 mb/sec?
DarkLogix

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Baytown, TX

Re: "Until the speed tests roll in"

ya its called bit-torrent of linux
majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
Speedtest.net gives me about 90/60 on our 100/100 line.

Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
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Re: "Until the speed tests roll in"

Do you consider that reliable?

CVuser

@optonline.net

How pathetic

A Verizon representative on Twitter. Oh please. Twitter is for twits. I like the way Verizon is obviously pissed by this. It means CV is doing something right. Verizon needs to step up to the plate and offer the damn service in more areas. NYC is a concrete jungle. There's more dwellings then houses here. So Verizon needs to bring it on

GadgetVirtu

join:2008-08-10
Fort Worth, TX

ONTs are FIOS' bottleneck

If Verizon intends to offer 100mb anything they are going to need to increase the bandwidth from the ONT. I've got a 10/100/1000 router but the best I could do is 100mb from the ONT, some of which will be used by STBs. Now if they are going to enable both Ethernet and COAX from the ONT at the same time we might have something but I don't see that happening, even if the current Westell modems are capable.

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FastiBook

join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA

The newest tactic......

The newest tactic in competing with FIOS seems to be pretending it doesn't exist... Will it work? Seeing as i have both comcast & vz (catv & fios) i don't think so. I want vztv.

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majortom1029

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Lindenhurst, NY

Re: The newest tactic......

Maybe for comcast but not for cablevision.
RadioDoc
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Everytime I read about this that damn Chesterfield jingle...

...starts playing in my head.

A silly millimeter longer, 101

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWtls7zgDiQ

VideoGuy

@verizon.net

Dark Spot On An Otherwise Good Launch

FiOS has taken off very well across most of the country except Cablevision territory. CVC has done a great job of branding using the Optimum names to distinguish itself from "cable". And they've kept on the leading edge technically speaking to keep their speeds very competitive. (And all the players would rather compete on speed than on price.)

Verizon needs MUCH better customer numbers in CVC territory to ever justify the investment there. I would bet the guy/gal in charge of that area for VZ is on the hot seat. Maybe the vacuum job VZ is doing in other parts of the country makes them whole overall. But they are way, way, WAY under water with their investment in CVC country and may never make it back. CVC isn't like most other MSOs. They hit hard and often and they love a street fight.

Tzale
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Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online

Broadband

I think for the most part as we increase last mile broadband bandwidth, we're going to see less and less cost benefit to the average consumer... Unless you are hardcore into P2P, 10-30mbps is more than most consumers need.... I'd expect 50 & 100mbps to become the longtime tiers once the tech/costs reaches the point that allows everyone to get such bandwidth at home....

1gbps is just overkill for consumers today...

-Tzale
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davidbugs

@cox.net

HEy WHAT ABOUT TERABYTE BROADBAND SPEED?

No one asking about terabyte download and upload speed.

The Gnome Inc

@comcast.net

Re: HEy WHAT ABOUT TERABYTE BROADBAND SPEED?

LMAO
Monie

join:2008-08-09
Salisbury, NC

FiOS needs to come rollin' into NC

Verizon should have FiOS in NC

jwalk
jwalking

join:2008-02-04
Old Orchard Beach, ME

Verizon's Cablevision Snark Fest Continues

looks nice.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

cheap shots..

who is the target market for 101/15 anyways, is it boost cusotmers? residential? commerical? both? i know most of us normal subscribers are begging for lower prices on the service they already got. verizon may as well take a hint and look at their pricing again and see it's dated.. as in 2006 pricing. btw, where's that voip offering? i hear alot about the "iphone" but not the voip-phone... pfft! both companies need to offer lower prices on lower speed tiers and bundles without promotional contracts (which encourage churn)

wouldn't bbr forum love a transcript (to be the fly on the wall) when a customer calls verizon to cancel service to switch to ool and the customer says mabye they'll subscribe to that 101mbit plan seeing as verizon won't respond with their own plan.
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Re: cheap shots..

said by tmc8080 See Profile :

who is the target market for 101/15 anyways
Stockholders.

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Predicting the future

Just so long as they don't cap it. Caps will kill IPTV, cloud computing,... hologram messaging I hope the general consumer continues to wisens up so that companies compete to remove whatever caps are in place. For the longest time Charter used the term "Meg" to describe its internet speeds. "10 Meg" .. thats 80Mbps right? Or 10 megabytes per month?

This is for all you who say the home user doesn't need 101Mbps:
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