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Verizon's Leaving A Trail Of Bankrupt Wreckage Behind Them
After being slammed for Fairpoint deal, Idearc shareholders sue telco...
Three of Verizon's biggest divestitures in the last few years haven't turned out too well -- at least for companies not named Verizon. Both Fairpoint Communications and Hawaiian Telcom went bankrupt, after the debt incurred by their deals with Verizon resulted in the companies simply imploding. Those companies then of course couldn't even properly run their networks, much less upgrade them to next-generation technology. Customers under-served and unwanted by Verizon then wound up with carriers that were crushed under the weight of Verizon debt.

Fairpoint and Hawaiian Telcom of course deserve a huge part of the blame. Either the companies' eyes were bigger than their metaphorical stomachs and they were incredibly over-confident, or the plan all along was to blow off the debt in bankruptcy. If the latter, Verizon's lawyers are certainly smart enough to know about it -- and the end result was a long line of defrauded creditors. Fairpoint meanwhile fought giving consumers rebates for outages, and only recently was forced to pay Maine consumers about $1.72 per line a month for 12 months.

Though given less attention, Idearc, formerly Verizon's telephone subsidiary, also went bankrupt after Verizon employed the same techniques to avoid paying taxes on the spinoff. All three deals involved a tax-loophole known as a Reverse Morris Trust to avoid tax penalties, while dumping debt onto their deal partners. Idearc shareholders this week sued Verizon, claiming Verizon's been consistently engaged in "Enron-style" skulduggery. The problem is that (for now) Verizon's tax-dodging procedure of choice may be unethical and have anti-consumer ramifications, but it's perfectly legal. But shareholders are rightly annoyed:

The class calls the spinoff "a massive, Enron-style debt off-loading spin transaction". The class claims that the Idearc flop was "just one of three such transactions accomplished by Verizon Communications [that were] followed by quick bankruptcy - Hawaiian Telecommunications Inc., Idearc Inc., and Fairpoint Communications Inc." The shareholders claim Verizon did the spinoff so it "could escape federal taxation," and resorted to it only "after a series of failed attempts to sell the subsidiary to potential bidders."

Of course the suit comes as Verizon prepares to do their biggest-such deal yet: offloading six million DSL and landline customers in more than a dozen states to Frontier Communications. That deal has recently come under scrutiny by an Illinois Judge's report that found the deal serves Verizon and Verizon only. Of course heavily-lobbied regulators continue to approve these deals with wimpy conditions they then fail to properly enforce. Meanwhile Verizon this week is busily arguing the FCC should have no authority over them, while waiting for what will be the likely and inevitable FCC approval of the deal.

Are we noticing any systemic failure at work here yet?

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woody7
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hmmmm....

When is this $hit going to end and politicians wise up, oh wait, never. We just need to BOATI. Telco fan boyz, Verizon shareholders chime in.
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Re: hmmmm....

I agree that what Verizon is doing is unethical, but who is forcing these independent telcos to buy out pieces of the Verizon network? Why are they doing it if Verizon is apparently the only one to benefit?

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Re: hmmmm....

Mindless investor pressure to grow, mixed with executives whose eyes are too big for their stomachs. Granted, they're dumb too for thinking they can quadruple their size, dump billions in debt into their books, and then take the support hit without losing stride...

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Re: hmmmm....

said by Karl Bode:

Mindless investor pressure to grow, mixed with executives whose eyes are too big for their stomachs. Granted, they're dumb too for thinking they can quadruple their size, dump billions in debt into their books, and then take the support hit without losing stride...
The market punishes the dumb with something called bankruptcy.

I'm no fan of Verizon, but what they are doing is not illegal nor can I see how its unethical. If I put my rusty old 1983 F-150 out on my front yard with a FOR SALE sign, and the terms of the sale are that you pay me $500 cash and you acquire responsibility for my home mortgage, and you agree to the deal, well then you are an idiot, but you weren't conned into it, it was upfront and open and you agreed to do the deal of your own free will. The buyer must assume responsibility for his purchase, even when the deal goes south and the risk doesn't pay off.

Disclaimer: I neither own nor have a rusty old 1983 F-150 for sale.
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Re: hmmmm....

Economics doesn't exist anymore in it's purist form.

The market punishes politicians by not funding them to get elected. Thus bail outs and size problems. Thus when a business becomes too big, it should naturally shake apart - not get fixed up because it's grown so large that its failure is a bomb to the economy.
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Re: hmmmm....

said by Mike:

Economics doesn't exist anymore in it's purist form.
That went out the window during the Reagan administration.

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The market punishes the dumb with something called bankruptcy.
Like the market punished all those banks we just bailed out?
I'm no fan of Verizon, but what they are doing is not illegal nor can I see how its unethical. If I put my rusty old 1983 F-150 out on my front yard with a FOR SALE sign, and the terms of the sale are that you pay me $500 cash and you acquire responsibility for my home mortgage, and you agree to the deal, well then you are an idiot.
Was your rusty 1983 F-150 subsidized by taxpayers and tied to an entire complex web of community dependencies? These deals are not simple sale transactions of rusty trucks.

That said, I completely agree that Fairpoint executives were idiots. And if the plan involved collusion with Verizon to intentionally dissolve this debt in post-deal bankruptcy, they're thieves who ripped off other businesses and consumers. And idiots.
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Re: hmmmm....

said by Karl Bode:

The market punishes the dumb with something called bankruptcy.
Like the market punished all those banks we just bailed out?
I'm no fan of Verizon, but what they are doing is not illegal nor can I see how its unethical. If I put my rusty old 1983 F-150 out on my front yard with a FOR SALE sign, and the terms of the sale are that you pay me $500 cash and you acquire responsibility for my home mortgage, and you agree to the deal, well then you are an idiot.
Was your rusty 1983 F-150 subsidized by taxpayers and tied to an entire complex web of community dependencies? These deals are not simple sale transactions of rusty trucks.

That said, I completely agree that Fairpoint executives were idiots. And if the plan involved collusion with Verizon to intentionally dissolve this debt in post-deal bankruptcy, they're thieves who ripped off other businesses and consumers. And idiots.
If there was intent to file for bankruptcy, couldn't they be sued for investor fraud?
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Re: hmmmm....

Yes and no they need to prove and that is very hard in court, and don't forget Verizon is not you or me, it has million and millions to throw at the court system.

Even if after all that something is found it still does not mean anything will change, just that maybe one or two people will see some prison time but since this is not drugs the bane of America, like this is not a bigger bane I asked a friend about what kind of time they would see, from of the top of his head he would say maybe 3 years top for prison and that is not worth the 10 of million they would spend going after anyone.

No real way to fix this problem unless congress gets some balls and that is not going to happen any time soon if ever.

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Any idea how much money Hawaiian Telcom and Fairpoint execs made during their implosions? I'm guessing it's a hefty sum.

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said by Karl Bode:

Was your rusty 1983 F-150 subsidized by taxpayers and tied to an entire complex web of community dependencies? These deals are not simple sale transactions of rusty trucks.
Wide social dependency is precisely where pure marketplace capitalism falls down. Personal gain behavior is a best-we-got regulator in the exchange of commodities but when a product or service approaches universal need it falls down. It's dumb-simple math that capital intensive infrastructure cannot be redundantly built by competing entities and cost less than a single same infra built and maintained with public funds. Public ownership sucks when in control of content running on that infra (cars, electricity, data), for-profit sucks at building & owning serve-all infra.

Roadways, green space, grade schools, fire services, bodies of water - only the most rabid of ideologues argue these types of services & infrastructure are best in the hands of non-locally controlled, for-profit entities. And when put there anyway it doesn't work. Eventually public funds get shoveled-in to rescue public interest. Everybody loses big time except, all too often, the few individuals who controlled the failed profit motivated entity.

Personal gain at the expense of others is in our animal DNA. Literally. Tragedy of the commons, pack territoriality and all that. It's a fundamental requirement of the collective good that collective ownership of some things be in the mix. Ours, the US, has a particularly unbalanced mindset in this regard.

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said by BillRoland:

The market punishes the dumb with something called bankruptcy.

Your very naive to put it nicely.
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said by BillRoland:

The market punishes the dumb with something called bankruptcy.

I'm no fan of Verizon, but what they are doing is not illegal nor can I see how its unethical. If I put my rusty old 1983 F-150 out on my front yard with a FOR SALE sign, and the terms of the sale are that you pay me $500 cash and you acquire responsibility for my home mortgage, and you agree to the deal, well then you are an idiot, but you weren't conned into it, it was upfront and open and you agreed to do the deal of your own free will. The buyer must assume responsibility for his purchase, even when the deal goes south and the risk doesn't pay off.

Disclaimer: I neither own nor have a rusty old 1983 F-150 for sale.
But the "buyer" isn't a person who suffers consequences. Its a corporation. Just start another one. The humans behind the corporation have no liability for anything the corporation does in bankruptcy.
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Yea, same thinking as all those people who couldnt pay their mortgage and are getting bailed out. NOBODY forced them to buy those houses with STUPID loan conditions and nobody FORCED anyone to buy out Verizons crap areas. This is just a ridiculous lawsuit considering everything verizon has done is LEGAL .
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Re: hmmmm....

This is america after all, just be a legal crook and forget everything else its all bull any way.

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LOL independent. HAHAHA. LOL. You think these companies don't know what they are getting into? Taking a fall for the big guy more like it. Staged. Made up.

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said by vzguy71:

I agree that what Verizon is doing is unethical, but who is forcing these independent telcos to buy out pieces of the Verizon network? Why are they doing it if Verizon is apparently the only one to benefit?
Telephone (copper phone lines) carriers are regulated by the government, and are required to provide phone services no matter what.. doesn't matter if they go bankrupt, they are required by law to continue to run.. If they can't then they have to find someone to take them over or something so that phone services continue to run normal. Verizon is hurting from Fios.. But Fios is un-regulated, which is why Verizon wants to go in that direction even though they haven't made a profit form it yet... its costing soo much to do Fios and that coupled with un-forseen issues that have overloaded their budget for such things like ants loving to eat the fiber lines, which then causes them to replaced them much sooner than they predicted. causing them to spend even more money to replace.. just they budgeted x amount of dollars for possible issues that may arise, and unfortunatly the issues that came up have caused 2+ times that amount of costs.. Too bad - Fios has limits and costs too much.. I guess we can see why cable providers which use hyrbid fiber/coax don't change from FTTN to FTTH. Besides Fiber has fixed bandwidth limit, and Coax limit of bandwidth is only based on the technology (ex. Docsis 2, 3) so coax has an advantage.
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Re: hmmmm....

said by BSD24:

I guess we can see why cable providers which use hyrbid fiber/coax don't change from FTTN to FTTH. Besides Fiber has fixed bandwidth limit, and Coax limit of bandwidth is only based on the technology (ex. Docsis 2, 3) so coax has an advantage.
So fiber has an total fixed limit and coax doesn't? That doesn't make sense. They both are limited based on the terminating technology, but fiber can carry a hell of a lot more bandwidth. They are already testing technology that can push 10 gigs over a pon trunk (then split to 32 or 64 homes). I'd like to see coax do that.

Also, why would ants choose fiber over the other buried lines, cable coax or copper phone lines? Most of Verizon's fiber is aerial, so I don't foresee them running into any problems they haven't had already with their copper lines.

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I am surprized that no one has figured out that bankruptcy is actually a part of the plan.

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Re: hmmmm....

said by nono :

I am surprized that no one has figured out that bankruptcy is actually a part of the plan.
I think you're exactly right. Bankruptcy is indeed part of the "spinoff" plan. They KNOW it will go through bankruptcy and get its debts discharged, thus the original creditors are saddled with the loss while the telco gets to "reorganize" and continue in business.

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said by nono :

I am surprized that no one has figured out that bankruptcy is actually a part of the plan.
*ding* *ding* *ding* *ding*

We have a winner. You can bet that this was the plan all along. Assume a crushing debt load, dump it in bankruptcy court as necessary to continue service to all these customers, and then resume business as usual.

You'd think that the usual pundit suspects would have noticed, but they are too busy throttling Verizon.

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Re: hmmmm....

We have a winner. You can bet that this was the plan all along. Assume a crushing debt load, dump it in bankruptcy court as necessary to continue service to all these customers, and then resume business as usual.

You'd think that the usual pundit suspects would have noticed, but they are too busy throttling Verizon.
If the plan all along was to use post-deal bankruptcy as a way to rip-off creditors and consumers (certainly possible -- though also completely illegal), Verizon was well aware of it -- which still makes them all look like unethical scumbags.

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Re: hmmmm....

Which type of bankruptcy was declared as the article did not make that clear. A business can file for either Chapter 11 reorganization which would result in the business paying off its debts on an agreed sum on the dollar owed.

It could also file for Chapter 7 which would mean that it is going out of business completely and all dischargeable debts are wiped out with certain exceptions .
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said by Karl Bode:

If the plan all along was to use post-deal bankruptcy as a way to rip-off creditors and consumers (certainly possible -- though also completely illegal), Verizon was well aware of it -- which still makes them all look like unethical scumbags.
This.

Moreover, in Hawaii, I fully expect Verizon to reenter at some point (maybe as far out as 10 years) with a wireless solution of some sort. They retained their cellular presence, after all.

Our options are quite limited right now... DSL that maxes out at 3mbps in most COs and cable that barely beats that. We have Clearwire but caps, price and latency make it a bit unattractive, IMO.

I don't fault Verizon for wanting to do this... I don't expect altruism or ethics from that kind of company. The entities that allowed the sale to proceed? Grossly derelict in their duties.
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said by Karl Bode:

Verizon was well aware of it -- which still makes them all look like unethical scumbags.
Who accused Verizon of being ethical?

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Re: hmmmm....

said by 56403739:

Who accused Verizon of being ethical?
It's a relative, not an absolute, accusation. Like the social response I would have to your stealing my pencil versus stealing my car.

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everyone who looked at the deal knowing that it was no good; MerrillLynch even sd "if they do it they're dead, If they dont do it they're dead." (THEY=FAIRPOINT)

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Lets just hope the Justice Dept stays clueless.

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What I don't understand, and not faulting Verizon is why do companies think they can succeed where others have failed? Someone needs to stop this madness
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Re: hmmmm....

WIndstream and CenturyTel seem to be doing decently in rural areas, but likely balked at the price Verizon placed on the Frontier deal...if I remember correctly we're talking about upwards of $4000 per customer. You could roll out FTTH to everyone with that kind of money!
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the asshole politicians will continue to take money until we elect a normal person who has never had anything to do with the dark force of washington.

when we get a real human being who does not like MONEY and is happy with a little not a lot then we might see a better place.

i love my country but i hate this corrupt goverment.
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Never, now get back to making as much money as fast as possible.

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Idearc was different than Hawaiian Telcom & Fairpoint

Idearc was a Verizon subsidiary that was spun off on its own. Both Hawaiian Telcom(bought by Carlyle Group) & Fairpoint were separate companies that bought Verizon assets. This makes Verizon, in the Idearc case, more vulnerable to a class action lawsuit. Here is some background on the spinoff by a former employee of Idearc about Idearc's bankruptcy. The bankruptcy eventually led to this class action lawsuit:
»searchengineland.com/idearcs-cha···le-21257

P.S.>> Idearc is now called SuperMedia((NASDAQ:SPMD) and is out of bankruptcy.
»www.reuters.com/article/idUSN041···20100104
As in most bankruptcies today, the debt holders were left holding the bag by the courts. »seekingalpha.com/article/192128-···ce=yahoo
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Frontier Insanity Deal


And some people / regulators / etc. think Frontier deal will be okay. LOL

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

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Re: Frontier Insanity Deal

Frontier's current size isn't going to increase by as much percentage-wise as with FairPoint (several hundred percent) or HawTel (zero to telephone in sixty seconds).

That said, Frontier doesn't exactly have a stellar track record when it comes to providing cutting-edge internet service to its subscribers, and as of right now has zero IPTV footprint...
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Isn't this just good business?

Getting rid of unprofitable business? Sounds like good company management/strategy to me. What's the deal???

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Systemic Failure?

Are we noticing any systemic failure at work here yet?
Not if you're a Verizon shareholder.

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Re: Systemic Failure?

True.

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Huh?

Ok, so the companies that chose to buy Verizon's unwanted assets all made poor business decisions and now they are paying the financial price.

This is the free market at work. As long as non-shareholders aren't forced to bail these companies out, there's no problem.
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Not to be anal, but...

Hawaiian Telcom, not Hawaii Telcom

Heck, just hit their site to verify what I'm saying. Every article here always has the wrong name.
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Bankrupt does not equal out of business

All of the spin off company's are still doing business thank you very much Karl, all that happened was stock and bond holders got left holding the bag, no worse than GM or Chrysler or about 200 banks for that matter.

Now the the debt is washed way through BK, the companys will not have any debt to hold back improving services for customers

I say it was all planned this way from the start

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West Virginia

Well, it appears it just got a little tougher for the takeover here in West Virginia. It appears our lawmakers have closed a loophole in the Reverse Morris Trust that companies like VZ have been taking advantage of.

»wvgazette.com/News/201003240938
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Re: West Virginia

The bill still has to be voted on in the Senate. This is from CWA 1103`s website:
CWA Campaign Produces House Ban on Tax Loophole

Posted On: Mar 25, 2010 (21:15:45)

Thanks to CWA's successful Verizon Strategic Industry Fund campaign, the House of Representatives voted to close the Reverse Morris Trust tax loophole that has allowed Verizon and other companies to spin off parts of their operations tax-free.
The tax loophole ban was sponsored by Rep. Paul Hodes (D-N.H.) and included co-sponsors Reps. Alan Mollohan and Nick Rahall (D-WVa.) and Louise M. Slaughter (D-N.Y.).

Verizon took advantage of this tax loophole to sell landlines to FairPoint Communications, a much smaller company that just couldn't meet service requirements and later declared bankruptcy, costing jobs and resulting in deteriorating customer service.

The Small Business and Infrastructure Jobs Act, passed by a vote of 246-178, now heads to the Senate. Verizon wants to sell 4.8 million landlines in 14 states to Frontier Communications, but Frontier will be forced to borrow $3.3 billion to pay for the deal. Verizon would realize $600 million in tax savings.
"The Reserve Morris Trust was designed by Wall Street, not West Virginians," said District 2 Vice President Ron Collins. "We're happy that Congress shares our view that the Reverse Morris Trust is a tax break for corporations, not a job-creating tool. Without this tax provision, I don't believe Verizon would be so eager to sell to Frontier."
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Re: West Virginia

It's about time Congress acted to close the corrupt Reverse Morris Trust loophole.

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Re: West Virginia

said by Sammer:

It's about time Congress acted to close the corrupt Reverse Morris Trust loophole.
Agreed, Hopefully My States Senators will vote Yes for this bill(Feinstein-D and Boxer-D), My Representative in Congress being a Republican might have voted NO, Like that did any good(Thankfully).

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The little news outlet...

"and the end result was a long line of defrauded creditors."
Finally, a news outlet willing to call it what it is.

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Companies don't have a Clue on what they are Buying!

Verizon is just dumping their old obsolete Infrastructure and Equipment, and the Companies buying it up don't have a clue. I told you guys, Verizon won years ago when they went FTTH, the Telco's hanging on to Copper are struggling. These Companies that bought up old equipment thought they could sell DSL for a few years, but the old Copper has to be upgraded most of the time. FTTH is the only way to go, any Company that does not see this is doomed to failure.

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Read the Maine view

Well to be fair -- the States of Maine, Vermont & New Hampshire were very, very concerned about the Fairpoint deal and put up some barriers. But, Ivan Seidenberg flew out in his shiny jet, sweet talked them all into thinking it would be wonderful, then Verizon missed some data transfer/cut over information to Fairpoint which basically left a LOT of Mainers without any phone service at all for months. If you want to see a State's point of view check out Down East's article on it at: »www.downeast.com/magazine/2009/s···t-fiasco

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Not only did these regulators approve these deals with wimpy conditions, even after Fairpoint went bankrupt, and they had the opportunity to govern with guts, they didn't. They allowed Fairpoint to craft their OWN recovery plan, their OWN metrics for success, and then allowed it to be non-reviewable by the public.
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The problem is that today's business has no ethics...

The big problem today is that the heads of todays corporations have zero ethics. The acquisition of wealth and power is all that matters-and they are so short sighted that it's always the 'next quarter's guidance' that rules everything. They buy off lawmakers because it's cheaper then following the rules. They see their employees as liabilities to be eliminated, rather then partners. They have no problem screwing the shareholders either. They vote themselves obscenely HUGE salaries and bonuses. Public interest is only an obsolete phrase to them-along with honesty and ethics.

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Re: The problem is that today's business has no ethics...

said by qworster:

The big problem today is that the heads of todays corporations have zero ethics. The acquisition of wealth and power is all that matters-and they are so short sighted that it's always the 'next quarter's guidance' that rules everything. They buy off lawmakers because it's cheaper then following the rules. They see their employees as liabilities to be eliminated, rather then partners. They have no problem screwing the shareholders either. They vote themselves obscenely HUGE salaries and bonuses. Public interest is only an obsolete phrase to them-along with honesty and ethics.
Exactly. I bet even with the bankruptcies, the top executives still made out like bandits.
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Verizon

of course verizon is unethical. they whole telecom business is turning into a whore house. everybody trying to undercut everybody else. the one constant thing here is the quality of service has gone down across the board.

Service is NOT the number 1 priority in this business. It wants you to think so but it is not. revenue,,revenue,,revenue. period. Remember, it does no matter who you go to bed with as long as they pay!
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Re: Verizon

Disclaimer: I am not a telecom fanboy.

said by spyvsspy:

of course verizon is unethical. they whole telecom business is turning into a whore house. everybody trying to undercut everybody else. the one constant thing here is the quality of service has gone down across the board.

Service is NOT the number 1 priority in this business. It wants you to think so but it is not. revenue,,revenue,,revenue. period.
Within the context of the above post...

* of course verizon is unethical
+ Excluding ethics laws (like conflict on interest in legislative or judicial cases), unethical practices are not illegal. So regardless how shameful and unethical the action is, you have no recourse.

* they whole telecom business is turning into a whore house.
+ Not true. With a whore house, there is at least a fair exchange of values, i.e money for pleasure. Therefore a whore house is an ideal business model.

* everybody trying to undercut everybody else
+ That is called a competitive business model, nothing wrong with that. You take a hit a 5% hit on lost profits, but make it up with a 20% increase in monthly subscriber base (or what ever numbers you want to use).

But in reality, the only competitive action is to see who can come to market first with ways that are not consumer friendly, where "consumer friendly" is inversely proportional to short-term investor returns.

* Service is NOT the number 1 priority in this business.
+ It never was. The priority of any for-profit business enterprise is to make money.

Now...there are two roads that lead to making money.
1) Offer a product that very consumer friendly and the business will organically grow (a long-term investor return model) because...its a great product!
2) Offer a product that has little value to the consumer, but is a necessity for the majority of consumers (yes, cellular has transcended to a ubiquitous necessity)...and charge obscene rates. By offering little value at a high cost, investors are very happy (a short-term investor model) and the CEO can sleep at night, knowing his job isn't on the line. Of course, this business model can only exist in a monopolistic or duopolistic sales and service environment.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

this whole issue make me wonder.....

What would things be like today had the original Bell System had not been broken up to make MCI happy. I am not saying things would be better but perhaps more stability? As I recall things where not that good in Wyoming at the time but then as I frequently point out Wyoming has always got the shaft.
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I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.
- Mark Twain in Eruption

cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

There are more to blam than Verizon...

The government for allowing this (and Reverse Morris Trust)
The local government for their ignorance (they gave Verizon millions in tax breaks/incentives to operate in their area, hire new people, but when they left, did they re-imburse the states for these? States need to be smarter, if luring companies, make a clause that if they bail, they must forfeit all tax breaks.
CapGemini is a BIG issue with Fairpoint's database failures.
The ignorant taxpayer for not understanding their loss, not gain in this (next up, Frontier's failure ...)
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bg1999

join:2005-10-02
Bayville, NJ

Re: There are more to blam than Verizon...

The bottom line is if Verizon is trying to sell you one of their assets, it's not worth buying. They know what they have and they only dump stuff that's not worth owning.
jophan
Premium
join:2009-07-12
Jenkintown, PA

Hawaiian Telecom & Fairpoint

I thought it was funny that no one seems to remember that the Hawaiian Telecom buyout was spearheaded by an ex-FCC chairman, William Kennard. »www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf···b016.htm

Not that many years ago, rural telcos were considered good buyout candidates, mainly due to the cash flows from federal subsidies. The landline losses weren't as severe as they've become, and credit was cheap and easy. No one forced them to offer the prices they paid.
VerizonCynic

join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA

Verizon FTW

Verizon has smarter lawyers than the govt. Come on. Ok case over. But if you must just start a suit entitled everyone v everyone like in Southpark. that will take care of all the complainers. All about risk shifting and time shifting.

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