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Louisiana | Re: Will BellSouth be far behind? said by IronChefMoto:
Hell yes. They're BellSouth.
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One of the main reasons I left BellSouth entirely almost a year ago.
They are loosing a number of customers due to the bundling. I know quite a few users that actually switched from DSL to Cox because they were moving from POTS to a cell phone only.
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kudos:2 | Will this work when using a third party ISP? I use DSL Extreme on Verizon's lines. I would love to ditch my land line, but wonder how this would work, being that I'm not using Verizon's DSL service.
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kudos:2 | Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? said by Phil:
I use DSL Extreme on Verizon's lines. I would love to ditch my land line, but wonder how this would work, being that I'm not using Verizon's DSL service.
I don't see CA listed as one of the 12 states that Verizon will allow dry pair DSL.
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Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
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| Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? said by Rob:
said by Phil:
I use DSL Extreme on Verizon's lines. I would love to ditch my land line, but wonder how this would work, being that I'm not using Verizon's DSL service.
I don't see CA listed as one of the 12 states that Verizon will allow dry pair DSL.
Also you cant get it unless you have VZ Cell phone service. That aint no naked DSL what a rip!
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kudos:2 | Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? said by vic102482:
said by Rob:
said by Phil:
I use DSL Extreme on Verizon's lines. I would love to ditch my land line, but wonder how this would work, being that I'm not using Verizon's DSL service.
I don't see CA listed as one of the 12 states that Verizon will allow dry pair DSL.
Also you cant get it unless you have VZ Cell phone service. That aint no naked DSL what a rip!
You're right, it's still being bundled. I was planning on switching to Verizon wireless soon anyways.
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> service. That aint no naked DSL what a rip!
This is not true. In an interview (somewhere... I gotta find it), they said that it wasn't required that you switch to Verizon Wireless. You could switch to ANY wireless carrier. They didn't mention VoIP, etc. | |
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Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? said by edelite:
> Also you cant get it unless you have VZ Cell phone
> service. That aint no naked DSL what a rip!
This is not true. In an interview (somewhere... I gotta find it), they said that it wasn't required that you switch to Verizon Wireless. You could switch to ANY wireless carrier. They didn't mention VoIP, etc.
The article says Verizon wireless, it doesnt make sense for them to allow switching to other wireless services. How would they even confirm it? And why would they care if you switch to Cingular or cancel POTS completly, that makes the same end result in their pocket book, zero:).
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Annapolis, MD | Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? quote:
Customers don't have to switch their numbers to Verizon wireless products, Gowing said.
So I have Verizon DSL and local phone service. I want to bag the phone service and use my cellphone exclusively (doesn't matter what cell service). Now I can cancel my VZ POTS but keep my VZ DSL.
Cool.
Unfortunately, VZ's DSL service doesn't meet my needs so I use SpeakEasy/Covad. If I want to drop my VZ POTS, think they'll let me keep my SE/Covad ADSL signal over those lines?
I'm thinking...no.
If CLECs can 'rent' an ILEC's dry lines for SDSL service why can't they rent them for ADSL service?
Or can they, just that the cost is too expensive?
If it is more expensive (likely considering the cost of SDSL vs. ADSL), why is it more expensive?
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I'm thinking...no."
hi kool moe,
think again and think yes.
i have had pots (local and ld) and adsl from a '3rd party' clec for almost a year and a half. i never had vz dsl, but had their pots only. after they laid me off and i went to work for their competition (a clec), i had my employer's pots and dsl installed on the same copper loop that formerly had my vz pots only.
the clec's dsl and local pots is free (an employee perk), every month. a $70 value, every month. even when i worked for vz, they would not give their own employees much of a break on dsl. they would give you $5 off their monthly price. and you didn't get free local calls either. you were lucky to get a small concession on that.
find a clec in your area and get the clec's pots and dsl. vz has to give the clec access to their loop; otherwise vz could not sell long distance service.
just like gene hackmen said to danzel williams in the sub movie 'crimson tide', when they were discussing nuke warfare...
"... yes sir, drop that fucker, twice..."
so there ya go drop vz twice; dsl and pots. they're not the only game in town anymore. | |
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Annapolis, MD | Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? Thanks. But are you also saying that VZ will let me keep an ADSL signal ONLY from a CLEC over a naked pair...a pair without pots?
Yeah, I could ditch VZ entirely and go with a CLEC for DSL *and* phone service. But I have a year contract with SpeakEasy and like their service. Speakeasy does not offer pots service. I can't keep their DSL service without VZ's pots service - at least, as far as I know. There are certainly plenty of reports of folks who switch to a CLEC pots carrier and lose their DSL service from any but that CLEC.
Cavalier is slowly making its way up here. I think Allegiance is around here too. But until I can combine the pots CLEC I want with the DSL CLEC I want, I'm stickin' with what I gots.
Congrats though on your perks! I'm envious 
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? hi moe,
i can tell you, as a field service tech for the clec i work for, we install lots of 'dsl only'/naked dsl.
what you're saying sounds about right, though. stick with what you have until other options become available... or your current contracts expire... or both. good luck and best wishes...
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if i didn't mention it, this clec i'm talking about leases all it's loops/pairs directly from vz. | |
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"i have had pots (local and ld) and adsl from a '3rd party' clec for almost a year and a half. i never had vz dsl, but had their pots only. after they laid me off and i went to work for their competition (a clec), i had my employer's pots and dsl installed on the same copper loop that formerly had my vz pots only.
the clec's dsl and local pots is free (an employee perk), every month. a $70 value, every month. even when i worked for vz, they would not give their own employees much of a break on dsl. they would give you $5 off their monthly price. and you didn't get free local calls either. you were lucky to get a small concession on that.
Hello, disgruntled ex-verizon employee. If you work for and are referring to National Mobile (Sovernet) I looked into getting their naked DSL and if you don't get a Dialtone line with them too the price is really high. Verizon DSL was cheaper and I didn't have to have a contract like Sovernet wanted me to commit to. So just because you have choices it doesn't mean that they are cheaper all the time. Sovernet wants you to Bundle their dialtone and DSL just like the rest of them. Don't get me wrong, I think Naked DSL is a great idea and should be made available to everyone! My point is, it isn't just the ILECs that want you to bundle.
And thats nice that you get DSL and dialtone for free each month thru your employer, god I wish I got that, but tell me, are your other benefits as good as they were with Verizon (medical, vacation, pension/401k))? I wouldn't know but I would guess not......I have a friend who works for VZ and he gets pretty good benefits, I think he gets discounted phone service but not free. (This portion Off Topic, sorry)
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kudos:2 | said by Rob:
said by Phil:
I use DSL Extreme on Verizon's lines. I would love to ditch my land line, but wonder how this would work, being that I'm not using Verizon's DSL service.
I don't see CA listed as one of the 12 states that Verizon will allow dry pair DSL.
No it's not, but should it become available...
Aside from that, I'm sure you could apply my question to one of the 12 listed states!
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Re: Will this work when using a third party ISP? said by Phil:
said by Rob:
said by Phil:
I use DSL Extreme on Verizon's lines. I would love to ditch my land line, but wonder how this would work, being that I'm not using Verizon's DSL service.
I don't see CA listed as one of the 12 states that Verizon will allow dry pair DSL.
No it's not, but should it become available...
Aside from that, I'm sure you could apply my question to one of the 12 listed states!
Only if you convert to verizon wireless. lol.
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join:2002-05-25
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
kudos:3 | 
Is this what you would call a naked coverup???
OH I get it...Or do I...Naked as in unlimited?, Well it is wireless... | |
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join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA | I work for a Southern CA ISP. Verizon sent us a mysterious PDF document in November 2003 outlining a "trial" wireless number portability procedure. It only covered the original Bell Atlantic states, ie, no GTE states such as California or Florida; it didn't concern us directly. However, when I read it, it clearly meant they would be providing independent ISPs the ability to offer "Naked DSL". It was not stipulated, at least in that document, that any specific wireless carrier was required.
A week later, they sent another memo canceling the previous document and supposed trial. Some new program would be announced to take its place. That's the last we have heard (officially from Verizon), even though they apparently have been running the "trial" on the QT for themselves. | |
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Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | BellSouth will prevail... Give BellSouth sometime.. they want to make sure Verizon doesn't flunk in this area before they stick their noses in it.
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Brownsburg, IN | SBC I think before SBC could do this, they would have to swallow their pride and admit they they didn't want to offer DSL without a phone service. Not the "we can't give you DSL without dialtone" line of crap they are currently serving up. | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: SBC That, and the "Our Billing System can not bill you for services if you don't have a POTS line" story.
I could see that... but I also realize that could be changed... *if* they wanted to. | |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx | I'm one that they lost ... In December (2003) I finally got fed-up with Verizon's unwillingness to provide DSL sans dialtone service & cut the cord altogether going with cable + mobile phone only. I had been hesitant about the mobile-only voice issues but that's been OK. What hasn't been OK is Adelphia's cable-only service - so this is great news for me: I'm gonna see if I can get DSL-only here in Conway, NH. I've been harrassing Verizon to offer DSL-only service for years. | |
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join:2003-08-10
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1 edit | Re: I'm one that they lost ... I called today & here's my call log. Sad reality that consumers have to maintain a f'ing call log, but there it is.
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2:01 PM 6/1/2004
dialed 877-483-5898 to ask about this new DSL sans dialtone service (not yet formally announced) .... 2:02 PM 6/1/2004="Edward" answered & is playing by the book: pretends to know but doesn't & is "going to check" .... 2:04p=no Edward: he just blindly thrust me forth to another computer msg telling me how important I am & how glad they are that I called but I don't know to what division/service/area I've been forwarded to .... 2:06p=more scripted apologies & thanks for my patience .... 2:12=patience run out: I disconnect.
2:41p=redial=wade through comp-prompts & no available reps & pls cal back later msg.
4:19p=redial=stupid comp-prompts again & no available reps & pls call back later msg.
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What a waste of life, eh? Apparently it's here in the NE where they are first making available the stand-alone DSL. Their website is 100s of flowery words & glossy pics of happy people but not one mention of the speed of their service offerings. Webform email failed on server-side after I typed in gobs of required fields. About to telephone them agian now that it's 2:30am.
Anybody have an email for VOL sales?
EDIT = Call log addendum:
2:39 AM 6/2/2004
dial 877-483-5898 to re-re-re-request basic info on stand-alone DSL ... sales now closed: hrs are ... can you believe they don't say? Unbelievable. | |
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
2 edits | Misleading title Not so NAKED! quote:
For the first time, Verizon customers in 12 states who are moving their local phone numbers to wireless devices can keep their high-speed Internet service, known as DSL or digital subscriber line, spokeswoman Briana Gowing said.
So if you already have a cell phone you cant get it, and unless you sign up for Verizon (which is expensive compared to other phone comps.) you cant get it. Not very naked, more like a DSL "mooning".
Not worth it with cell phone companies like cingular and sprint out there. Verizon wireless is not very popular in this area (from my experience atleast).
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|  PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium
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Mount Vernon, NY
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| Re: Misleading title Not so NAKED! said by article:
Customers don't have to switch their numbers to Verizon wireless products, Gowing said.
Also in the same article.
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ | The Big Question The unanswered question is will "naked dsl" be available to VZ ISP wholesale partners? Or CLECs such as Covad? | |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx | Re: The Big Question said by sporkme:
The unanswered question is will "naked dsl" be available to VZ ISP wholesale partners? Or CLECs such as Covad?
I've been wondering the same thing since I cannot get any info out of Verizon tele-care (care?) or their website. The one rep I spoke to by telephone was curt, proud, & clueless on the topic then forwarded me into their circular blackhole of comp-prompt hell. Prolly wait until the dust settles and try again, but really I'd rather buy from a re-seller with, like ya know, humans on staff? Remember those? | |
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join:2001-11-16
Salisbury, MD | cavalier dsl Im not sure why speakeasy or covad or others do not allow it but I have 2 dry pairs run to my house through cavalier for dsl. I have cavalier pots on the 3rd pair. It can't be that hard to do, just that money talks.
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join:2001-08-24
Boston, MA | Not Clear So, help me out. I have VZ POTS, VZ Wireless and Comcast HSI. I want to switch to VZ DSL and get rid of my POTS. Can this be done? Even though I already have VZ Wireless? Even though I don't currently have DSL? | |
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038xx | said by MPScan:
So, help me out. I have VZ POTS, VZ Wireless and Comcast HSI. I want to switch to VZ DSL and get rid of my POTS. Can this be done?
I spent over an hour trying to get info out of Verizon today: it's too soon, they're all clueless (as far as I can tell) and the best thing to do is wait until they figure out their ass from their elbows *then* ask what they sell. The one thing that appears consistent is the stand-alone DSL is only being offerred in (portions of) 10 NE states - including Mass so you ought to be able to buy it when they get their act together. | |
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| | What about with different voice? I currently have AT&T as my voice provider on the land line. Can you get naked VZ DSL over the same line if voice is coming from someone else? | |
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| | | Re: What about with different voice? Apparently, you can still qualify for DSL no matter where your voice service is coming from (but I'm not sure if you qualify for naked DSL). You will have to call Verizon Online DSL and ask! | |
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join:2002-01-12
Natrona Heights, PA | Scuttlebutt
Until I hear it from Verizon I won't take this too seriously, however this did pique my interest. | |
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| | Website Can anyone tell me how to find this on there website because if this is possible maybe i can get dsl because my local CO is 12000 ft away but my CO for my number is 21000ft away so if i can do that i can get dsl from my local CO right ? Well if anyone knows how to sign up for it can you tell me. | |
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| | | Re: Website go to verizons website and enter your number to see if your line pre qualifies for their dsl service. If it does, then call them to verify. I ordered online once because it said my line pre qualified, but when I began to use the dsl, the dsl kept working on and off (the signal kept getting lost). I am about 19600ft away from my CO. | |
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join:2001-02-25
Philadelphia, PA | Bye Bye Cavtel Hello Verizon. | |
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join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD | how ripoff At least the difference in price is only $5($34.95 versus $29.95).
A non-cable Comcast customer pays close to $20 a month extra just to obtain their internet service. Huge ripoff. | |
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| | Where's my DSL? Verizon Losing POT's lines in record numbers so they need to sell more DSL lines. What they should be doing is expanding DSL coverage. Their just trying to saturate the existing areas,where DSL already exists,with dry pairs and spiffs like free routers. If Verizon doesn't get off it's ass start deploying network services,It could ne doomed in a few short years. I think this is too little,too late and they'll pay the piper for dragging their feet! | |
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join:2002-01-17
Mechanicsburg, PA Reviews:
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| Re: Where's my DSL? we terminated our verizon pots line last year when we opted to use gsm cell phones for our voice communications needs. i use comcast isp which is rather fast but a little overpriced. i'd honestly consider switching to verizon dsl (we are within c/o distance) but i will not pay for a pots line that is unneeded and unwanted. my repeated emails to verizon customer service asking about naked dsl result in boilerplate responses that say nothing. bub | |
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join:2004-06-14
Leesburg, VA | Not True! I called Verizon today to cancel my phone service and was told that I could not keep DSL if I canceled my phone service. The rep told me that it was something they were testing and hadnt been rolled out. I live in VA which is supposedly one of the 12 states.
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join:2002-06-21
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Not True! I wish i could have naked DSL. Hey with Verizon DSL do they offer it as is. because i don't have them as my provider ATT is. So i was planing to wire up a whole new line and put naked dsl on it. Think i can make this work. | |
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