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In other words, pirates != people that would pay if they had no other options. As a matter of fact, I believe there have been a few things posted that show "pirates" actually spend more money on the things they are accused of pirating than the non-pirates. | |
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| | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? Look man, I have an Uncle who pirates everything under the sun and cut his TV subscription. Thats one less video customer for Cablevision, and its all the proof I need to back my theory that piracy causes less revenue for the MSO's | |
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| | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? And my aunts friend has a sister who knows someone that lives down the street that pirates everything under the sun and never had and never will have a TV subscription. | |
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| Re: Is this some kind of joke? It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.
FURTHERMORE, Piracy leads to increased carriage fees in which the MSO's have to pay the stations ! Which leads to even more lost customers, and lost revenue.
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kudos:7 | Re: Is this some kind of joke? said by ITALIAN926:It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's. But if the pirate pays for a $200 broadband package instead of a $50 broadband package and a $100 TV package, is the MSO losing money or profiting on the pirate? | |
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| Re: Is this some kind of joke? quote:
You lose all credibility when you refuse to back your arguments.
What the hell are you talking about? United States Laws back my arguments. Stop breaking the law and we wont be having this discussion. There is nothing special about YOU that makes YOU exempt from rules the rest of us follow.
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1 edit | said by ITALIAN926:It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.
So how much profit erosion am I causing by not paying for cable/satellite service? And do beware of your assumptions.
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kudos:2 | Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument.
Burden of proof is on you. Try again. | |
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1 edit | Re: Is this some kind of joke? quote:
Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument.
Burden of proof is on you. Try again.
WTF are you talking about? Pirating has caused the cable industry to lose about $50 a month (for basic) due to my UNCLE, and his lack of morals. What kind of evidence would you like, for me to turn him in and get a police report? ONE MAN out of MILLIONS COPYRIGHT INFRINGERS having an impact on the MSO's and entertainment industry. Have you even an ounce of common sense? Even if he was the ONLY ONE DOING IT, ITS STILL EVIDENCE OF LOST REVENUE. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? Did he raise his internet speed? I pirate all the time.. but I also spend about $3000 a year on video games and movies... I go to the movie theater often... I also have a TV provider... but as I say.. I pirate all the time... | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? said by ITALIAN926:Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught.
None of that was related to the discussion. You are an idiot | |
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Camden, TN | said by Skippy25:So what you are implying is that people that pirate do so to avoid not paying to watch something. Can you provide proof that those same people would pay to watch the same stuff if it were 100% impossible to get through other means thus making it erode their TV revenues? So because one refuses to pay for something they are entitled to it anyways? It doesn't matter if no one is losing a dime. If you are supposed to pay for something and you don't want to then you are not entitled to it. If I don't want to pay $8 to see a movie that does not give me a right to sneak into the theater. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? If I download a movie that I had no intention of watching if I hadn't downloaded it... was it really a lost sale? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Is this some kind of joke? That's not the point. If I sneak into an empty theater to see a movie I had no intention on paying for anyway am I costing the theater anything? Nope. Is it right to do? Nope. Why should my lack of wanting to pay still entitle me to see the movie? Same thing with downloading. If you are supposed to pay and you don't want to then you don't get to see the content, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it's costing the profit or not. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink.
My point was I'm not technically taking anything away from the ppl who made the film if I download it and watch something I never planned on paying for in the 1st place... If I like it I may even go out and buy the Blu-ray or tell a friend about it which may make another sale... Piracy isn't all about "stealing". If it wasn't for tape trading in the 80s Metallica would never of blown up as big as they did... Which is why fans backlashed at the whole napster thing. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? You have got to be kidding. Is this really how pirates think and justify what they do. Absolutely hysterical. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Is this some kind of joke? Digital socialism... Isn't it grand!?
Do you work in the industry or do you just like the smell of your own farts? | |
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| Re: Is this some kind of joke? said by ITALIAN926: quote:
QFT!
I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:
The whole "pirates spend more" BS is hillarious. I have like 2000 DVD's and CD's in my collections, if I was like YOU, Id have a tiny percentage of them, if any at all. If the RIAA and MPAA thew in the towel, and all copyright laws were reversed, you make it sound as if this would increase their profits ! lol omg. I know for the sake of morals, when pirates download an entire Season of Dexter, and like it, they then go out and buy the real thing, not burn their own copy, right? LOL. Not that "liking it" has anything in the world to do with it. The most Righteous breed of humans in this world are Copyright Infringers, thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure where you're getting these conclusions from. I don't watch TV and any movies I want to see(very rarely, hollywood = narcissistic garbage) I go see in theaters, just a couple times a year. My 300Mbps FIOS connection is 99% full 24/7/365, 100% legally so even if I had a reason to download something illegally I wouldn't have enough bandwidth left over LOL.
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Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money! | |
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| Re: Is this some kind of joke? said by Trencher:Ok so you do love the smell of your own farts... Gotcha..
Well then it must of sucked for you when netflix came about eh? Suddenly someone could have access to 100s if not 1000s of movies and tv shows all for $7 a month... Kinda makes your 2000 DVD collection a bit of a waste of space huh? Not mention a waste of money!
I always say that technology will continue to progress dragging those types kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not...they still have to right to complain however LOL | |
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| Actually I tried Netflix, I dropped it after a month because their HD content sucked, and their selection was very limited overall. From what I heard that was the fault of Starz, I dont know how their HD is now, and I dont care to find out. Oh, and Netflix doesnt have all the movies I own.
Have I voiced any opposition to Netflix? Keep to the subject of piracy. | |
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Camden, TN | said by Trencher:Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink. My analogy CLEARLY stated the theater wasn't full. An apparently you justified me breaking the law. | |
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As an ex film maker I like to think I made movies for the art and not the paycheck. | |
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kudos:2 | Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna. | |
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| Re: Is this some kind of joke? said by The Limit:Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna.
Hope you like anecdotes because I smell one coming  | |
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| | | said by saneblane :Verizon could care less about piracy
Really? Just curious, but how much less? | |
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join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Much lawsuites incoming Many internet connections are shared which will punish innocent people.
The fee is ridiculous, let riaa and mpaa pay for thier own kangaroo court.
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| | LMAO Thottled to 256k?? Awwww, the leeches will have to WAIT for their shows and movies. Boo Hoo. | |
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| Re: LMAO said by ITALIAN926:Thottled to 256k?? Awwww, the leeches will have to WAIT for their shows and movies. Boo Hoo.
Torrents are for the uneducated huddled masses. Full-speed Usenet is infinitely superior, period. | |
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I love it.
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kudos:3 | Punished by Verizon? I need to pay Verizon $60 per month to be punished by them? Screw that. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Punished by Verizon? said by jjoshua:I need to pay Verizon $60 per month to be punished by them? Screw that.
You're not punished if you're not doing anything wrong. | |
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| | | | said by BF69:said by jjoshua:I need to pay Verizon $60 per month to be punished by them? Screw that.
You're not punished if you're not doing anything wrong. Because verizon's billing department has proved they do not easily make mistakes. | |
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| | NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 | said by BF69:said by jjoshua:I need to pay Verizon $60 per month to be punished by them? Screw that.
You're not punished if you're not doing anything wrong. And I have a slightly used, 75+-year-old suspension bridge for sale.
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| | Contract Change? I don't pirate stuff, but does anyone know if this will make Verizon change their contract terms with customers (as in customers having to re-commit or reject the contract changes)? | |
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| Re: Contract Change? said by keef :I don't pirate stuff, but does anyone know if this will make Verizon change their contract terms with customers (as in customers having to re-commit or reject the contract changes)?
Awww, that's sweet. You think that you have any sort of recourse besides cancelling your monopoly service provider.
Just so you know, I can't ever recall a terms of use agreement that didn't allow them to simply change it on their own whim whenever they felt like it with no need for your consent. | |
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| | | | Re: Contract Change? I think you are confused. They can change anytime they want, but they ALWAYS have to inform you and you ALWAYS have to agree to it. | |
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You do not, however, have any chance to actually negotiate terms of use or reject new terms in favor of continuing old terms. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Contract Change? said by TSF :They notify you by putting a note on your bill that the terms of use are updated, and you agree to it by continuing to subscribe.
You do not, however, have any chance to actually negotiate terms of use or reject new terms in favor of continuing old terms.
You are actually allowed to cancel your contract for free if they changed a term that was originally on it, at least in canada that is how it works. | |
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| | Who Decides? So does Verizon detects who's doing the pirating or does the RIAA/MPAA notify Verizon? | |
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| | | Re: Who Decides? It's probably the RIAA/MPAA.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | If Verizon is smart they will open a new revenue stream too. $100,000 per IP address as a fee for DMCA requests.
I wonder if the movie industry would mass accuse then.
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join:2008-06-10
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kudos:1 | Re: Who Decides? A few hundred per request wouldn't be unreasonable. You need to recieve it, read it, send it to legal, send it back to some other guy to actually pull the information, send it back to legal for the response, etc. Those lawyers don't come cheap, and they have to make sure that the request is valid to protect their customers. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | They'll be using company called "MarkMonitor". They'll be doing some fancy fingerprinting hashing bs.
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| a game by any other name.. either it's going to make smarter pirates, or it's going to piss off the customer so much they leave..
all of this will be bandied about word of mouth.. so customers might not want to sign up for that 2 year CONTRACT which you trade for a $300 kickback if they're going to do this to you..
going from whack a mole to angry birds... is a game by any other name... | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Arbitrate but lose? So what happens if you challenge this bullshit accusation in their bullshit arbitration circus and lose that challenge? What will happen then?
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| | | Re: Arbitrate but lose? said by MxxCon:So what happens if you challenge this bullshit accusation in their bullshit arbitration circus and lose that challenge? What will happen then?
According to the article, after the 6th "strike" then Verizon could be forced to turn over your identity (via your IP address) from a court order so that the copyright holder can pursue legal action. This is not guaranteed, but it is odd that after a 6th strike nothing happens.
What I can't stand about this is the presumption of guilt. I don't buy the "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about" argument. I wouldn't know how to torrent if I tried but I don't want some documentation error resulting in my receiving e-mails and phone calls alleging that I'm an internet pirate. The companies making these allegations should have to prove the allegation is some form or fashion. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Perfect - it'll clearly prove that we need to regulate it... ...and reclassify internet as a utility, coming down hard on the non-competitive, quasi-monopolistic practices of cablecorps, telecom providers etc.
TWC, Verzion, Comcast, AT&T etc - they all itching for a big fuckin spanking, it's about time to give'em hell so let's just kick in the balls this slimebag Genachowski and get him to work for his paycheck...
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