Vermont Fiber Efforts Run Into Sour Economy Tim Nulty hopes stimulus money can help... Dr. Timothy Nulty is the director of ValleyFiber, a nonprofit organization focused on bringing municipal fiber to towns in rural Vermont. The project originally hoped to bring symmetrical speeds of at least 8Mbps, VoIP and TV to rural areas, using private financing (a fifteen year non-recourse capital lease) where the towns aren't on the hook in the case of default. The Wall Street Journal today has an excellent read on Vermont's efforts to get wired, after many carriers (like Verizon) declared the State unprofitable. Interestingly, Fairpoint, who just bought Vermont's landline and DSL networks from Verizon, wonders who'd want fiber when you can get DSL: FairPoint spokeswoman Beth Fastiggi says the towns' fiber initiative "isn't necessary," because the company is aggressively expanding its DSL Internet service statewide. She says FairPoint will reach many unserved rural areas before the ValleyNet project does. While Fairpoint did take already deployed Verizon fiber service and re-brand it "FAST" (Fiber Access Speed Technology), most markets will only be seeing vanilla DSL. They're promising to extend DSL into more neighborhoods than Verizon did, though not everybody (particularly union workers) is convinced they have the financial resources to make good on the promise. Nulty previously made headlines by arguing that the idea that fiber isn't economical to deploy in rural areas was "nonsense." However, because banks started failing just as the project began taking off, Nulty and company are now hoping that they can cash in on some of the broadband stimulus money.
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Verizon screwed them on that deal. | |
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|  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 1 edit | fairpoint loves small communities quote: FairPoint spokeswoman Beth Fastiggi says the towns' fiber initiative "isn't necessary," because the company is aggressively expanding its DSL Internet service statewide. She says FairPoint will reach many unserved rural areas before the ValleyNet project does.
Slide DSLAM rack unit into CO rack, run patch jumpers, your done. No outside plant work needed, so unless you live in shotgun blast away from the downtown village CO (2500 feet), the copper won't support DSL because of very liberally placed loading coils, unshielded trunk lines, bridge taps, ancient pairgain systems (digital or better yet, analog), extended reach ISDN lines, T1 fed remote terminals for which no upgrade kits exist, and replacement schedules and testing criteria for POTS only.
And thats how Fairpoint "delivers" DSL to small communities. Sure your CO has DSL, but its only within line of sight of the CO. | |
|  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... ...I encourage everyone to also read the original article. Karl's recap is both accurate and a sufficient briefing, but the original article is worth the investment in your time. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL ... Do something! ... | |
|  |  | | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... I was pretty surprised by this one. Usually there's lots more hand wringing and several extra helpings of skepticism when the WSJ tackled muni-broadband. | |
|  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... Yeah, I picked up on that, too. As I was reading, I was saying to myself, "this isn't nasty!" | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... You'll note there's still oodles of skepticism though, and it's made clear that even Nulty is a "fiscal Conservative" who has his doubts... | |
|  |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... so am I.  | |
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| Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... Well sure, competence is a dice-roll on these projects. Anyone who isn't skeptical, about all projects, all the time, is an idiot.
I just find the journal's new begrudgingly accepting though skeptical attitude kind of cute, for a paper that's spent the last eight years suggesting community broadband is a hybrid between satanism, socialism and puppy murder. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... All run by some guy named "Azathoth", whoever he is. 
My website partner lives up in VT. His home service is Wildblue. Which rhymes with "Ewwwww!". His office service is Fairpoint. At this stage, Fairpoint is only marginally better than Wildblue, especially as regards ability to pull an IP and get to websites. He's started working out of home, because Wildblue is more reliable.
Ponder that, wonchoo?
Upshot? Well, this DOES, in spite of what dupes, shills and astroturfers might say, have an economic effect. Except around the biggest cities, there ain't much. The economy is effected.
Broadband is not a luxury for some, so they can play COD4. It's a tool for business too. Business creates commerce and jobs. | |
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| Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... My website partner lives up in VT. His home service is Wildblue. Which rhymes with "Ewwwww!". His office service is Fairpoint. At this stage, Fairpoint is only marginally better than Wildblue, especially as regards ability to pull an IP and get to websites. He's started working out of home, because Wildblue is more reliable. The sad thing is, on the spreadsheet of number crunchers, that appears as a perfectly competitive and healthy broadband area. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... Well, what do we reliably know about number-crunchers, these days?
They are not about objective results and answers. They are about ledgerdemane, cheap tricks of the parlor mesmerist, making the numbers dance, sing and play the guitar, so the CEO gets the news he wants to get and his quarterly guidance calls to analysts and SEC reports are placed in the best possible light. Truth is considered inimical to goals and objectives and raises holy hell on risk management.
You can bet that same ethos exists in these broadband penetration reports as well. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  Vtbluesif you can't get out of it, get in to itPremium join:2006-05-29 Brookfield, VT | Re: Not that Karl doesn't do a good job, but... As the old saying goes, figures don't lie but liars can figure. | |
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 palbriPremium join:2000-10-22 Bristol, VT 1 edit | Sad... We feel the pain but it could be...just another VT "pipe dream"(no pun intended). 
Seriously and fortunately, I live in an area which provides DSL, Cable and Dial-up. | |
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| Fiber Not Necessary? Is the spokeswoman on drugs?
DSL, at it's fastest tiers, might be enough for most people, today. It will quickly stop being good enough in a few years, if not sooner.
When I say that, I'm not talking about ADSL2. However, ADSL2 is merely a bandage solution, which only buys a little bit of time.
If an area doesn't have DSL, then why not just skip over DSL, and go straight to fiber? Expensive at first? Yep. Cheaper in the long run? Yep.
Where I live, there's no DSL (too far from the CO). Fortunately, I can use cable. And my particular tier is without caps or other restrictions. Although, even that might not be enough in a few years.
Unlike many here, I do see the point in POTS. It's a good idea to have a POTS line, even if it's just for local/toll-free calling. It has line power, it's great for 911, and if you need a backup, dial-up really is better than nothing at all. It's also the most reliable utility I've ever had, although of course your mileage may vary.
However, relying on copper for broadband really needs to come to an end. The Internet is more than just the WWW. It's more than just e-mails and simple web pages. The sooner ISPs realize this, the better. | |
|  BitPremium join:2009-02-19 00000 3 edits | The same Fairpoint That was talking 5GB usage caps? | |
|  |  | | Re: The same Fairpoint That was Frontier. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: The same Fairpoint Yeah, they're both wrong. (I say this as somebody who tracks this stuff ten hours a day). The authors were thinking of Frontier, not Fairpoint. | |
|  |  |  |  |  BitPremium join:2009-02-19 00000 | Re: The same Fairpoint Ah, got it. Thanks  | |
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I would never go with Fairpoint after their recent screw ups after they changed over from Verizon but I did threaten to leave Comcast for Fairpoint when my 12 months Triple Play was up ...Comcast gave me a similar deal with a few channels thrown in . | |
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| Re: Comcast is going to Kill Fairpoint in this State There's many places Comcast will never serve in Vt. As I live in one of those areas, one that EC Fiber would cover if it works out,I'll be crossing my fingers and hoping they get their funding. Comcast is worthless to me because I'm rural and Fairpoint has been delay after delay. -- I'm folding and crunching to try to help prevent stories like »Update on my son who has cancer
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