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join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | What will Verizon do Is it worth it to them to wind down their business in VT without selling it? Are they going to give Fairpoint a better deal? Or just raise prices so they can cover their operating costs and debt? How does this tie in with the USF? | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: What will Verizon do How about let their plant and service dwindle into the bare minimum required by the regulators. | |
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| They have already dropped the price by over $200 million in the proposed Maine settlement. However a larger better financed telco than Fairpoint would still want a better price than that. I'm sure glad I'm not a Fairpoint customer in one of the 17 states outside of New England because if this deal ever goes through they won't have any money to improve service anywhere else. | |
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| That's really the approach they should take: Just keep reducing service so that northern New England is as profitable as the rest of the country, even if that means service there goes into the toilet. Eventually, Vermont will THROW them out.
The state cannot reasonably expect them to support underperforming operations. It is an immoral abuse of state power. | |
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| Re: What will Verizon do It's called an unfunded mandate. It's immoral when the federal government imposes one on state governments, and doubly so when any government imposes one on private institutions.
As long as the public utility commission approves tariffs such that the business can satisfy its fiduciary responsibility to its owners to invest their resources in the best interests of the owners, then there is no problem. Barring that, the business unquestionably should be allowed to sell their assets and stop wasting more resources on the under-performing asset. | |
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| Re: What will Verizon do said by bicker :and doubly so when any government imposes one on private institutions. Now I understand your posts. You and I have very different notions about the relationship between Government (i.e. the people) and private enterprise.
My view is citizen voluntarily come together and delegate some of their autonomy to government in order to protect the common good. In this view it is government's role to define rules by which private enterprise operate. The role of private enterprise is to increase to common good, not necessarily that of individuals. Capitalism is a fantastic mechanism to organize labor and capital. However let entirely to itself it also has a number of highly negative consequences. I agree it is the fiduciary of companies to maximize profit within the rules set by government. In fact that is their only obligation. Where we disagree is role "of the people" to set the rules.
said by bicker :As long as the public utility commission approves tariffs such that the business can satisfy its fiduciary responsibility to its owners to invest their resources in the best interests of the owners, then there is no problem. Those of us in VT/NH/ME with a more cynical view think that may have been Verizon's plan from the beginning - to extract concessions from states they would not have gotten otherwise.
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| Re: What will Verizon do said by tschmidt :The role of private enterprise is to increase to common good, not necessarily that of individuals. You must have been out-of-country for the last thirty years! Your ideals are, well, idealistic, but don't reflect the way things actually are in this country, these days. | |
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join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA | Re: What will Verizon do Well, speak for yourself: Perhaps that's why you're in such a mess. | |
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join:2001-11-25 Los Angeles, CA 1 edit | They can't abandon VT...yet... Their contract with the federal govt. requires them to service EVERY part of their operating area.
Of course, after looking at the way the telcos have been able to buy off the Republican controlled FCC so well, anything is possible! | |
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| Re: They can't abandon VT...yet... said by qworster :Their contract with the federal govt. requires them to service EVERY part of their operating area. I think the Telco's have been "servicing" their customers for a hundred years now. I don't know about you, but my ass is getting a bit sore. -- Pretty Fly for a White Guy | |
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| Re: They can't abandon VT...yet... Did anyone get this email
Dear Verizon New England Inc. Customer,
Pending approval of the Maine, Vermont & New Hampshire public utilities commissions, Verizon has agreed to transfer control of Verizon New England Inc. assets in Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire to FairPoint Communications. After the transfer, your new local service provider will be FairPoint Communications. We currently expect that this transfer will occur between January 31 and May 1, 2008.
Beginning December 2007, Verizon will cease providing paper-free billing. It is Verizons current understanding that FairPoint Communications will reinstate paper-free billing at a future date.
It has been a pleasure serving you.
Sincerely, Verizon
JUmping the gun a little????? | |
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| They'll keep doing what they've been doing.
It's interesting to see the duality of opinions. It seems a lot of people see no problem with demanding that an incumbent always operate landline service even at a loss but then demand they be given no special treatment and have to just accept any attempt to eat away at their profits.
It seems that people won't be happy till the telecoms operate at a loss everywhere... but then they'll be angry that their phone isn't as reliable as it used to be back when telephones were a federally protected monopoly.
Next we can complain about insurance companies refusing to insure 16yr old kids who like to drive drunk.
I personally am shocked that people can't draw correlations and connections as they once could. | |
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| Re: They can't abandon VT...yet... said by bogey780 : It seems a lot of people see no problem with demanding that an incumbent always operate landline service even at a loss but then demand they be given no special treatment and have to just accept any attempt to eat away at their profits. Megadittos, bogey780! People forget that the primary purpose of a corporation is to enrich their stockholders. Customers should only be given the minimum level of service to keep them paying, nothing more. Damm customers, give them 6Mb and before the day is over, they're crying for 10Mb.
Furthermore, we need to bust up the gobdam unions and drastically cut back the worker's pension and health care benefits. If some employee doesn't like it, they can leave. There are plenty of people looking for work. Dammit, we need to maximize the stockholders profit, not give it to some whiny budding socialist employee that thinks s/he's entitled to it!
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join:2004-03-19 Here | Re: They can't abandon VT...yet... Very poor attempt. | |
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1 edit | said by bogey780 :It seems that people won't be happy till the telecoms operate at a loss [...] Next we can complain about insurance companies refusing to insure 16yr old kids who like to drive drunk. I personally am shocked that people can't draw correlations and connections Indeed. Shocking.
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| Re: They can't abandon VT...yet... But an insurance company can back out of a state. And they can increase premiums across the board or specifically for certain classes (pending regulatory approval).
TNSTAAFL.
Someone pays. Every Verizon customer outside of the states being sold benefits from their sale. Everyone inside those states benefit from the sale not happening because they need those deep pockets to keep their slim profit margined phone service running smoothly. | |
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| Good Riddance Verizon I hate to say it but Comcast who took over the abysmal Adelphia in Vermont are going to love this .
Comcast has provided better service than Adelphia ever did and is rolling out Digital Voice service in Vermont .
My opinion is Good Riddance to Verizon who charge over $45 for a standard land line in VT .
If Vermont wants to become the USAs first eState by 2010 they better get moving and get some real broadband deployed like Comcast offers . | |
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| Re: Good Riddance Verizon Dear Sir,
The statements contained in your post are unacceptable for this forum -- all Comcast-related posts on BBR must blatantly one-sided rants, and should refer only to Comcast's oversubscribing, bittorrent-connection-blocking, greedy, conniving business practices.
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| said by peerimpact :If Vermont wants to become the USAs first eState by 2010 they better get moving and get some real broadband deployed like Comcast offers . LOL... you think comcast is going to give you bandwidth much less real broadband? You need to speak to my parents. I am sure they can enlighten you on what comcast calls "broadband deployment". | |
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| Well... I hope it sticks... Fairpoint really doesn't have the funds necessary to upgrade the network. Borrowing money is really quite risky, many areas that have some sort of broadband would blow Fairpoint's idea of DSL out of the water. I will not be switching to Fairpoint, as I'm not in the mood for the current pricing that i am able to dig up from some of their other areas.
For what they are charging for 1.5/1 DSL I can get 10/1 cable for the same or less cost. IMHO Fairpoint will only be relevant in the parts of NH, ME, and VT that don't have other options other than dialup or sattelite. | |
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| Re: Well... In several of the Maine Verizon markets that would be acquired by Fairpoint, they already have 20/1 DSL service for 60$ a month, and they can also get phone through the same DSL carrier. Not to say cable doesn't matter, just that cable is only available in something like 60% of Maine.
I figure in a Fairpoint world they'd kick that CLEC out of the COs pretty quick so they could offer their crazy 80 a month 1.5/1 service you speak of.
From what I've heard it isn't even their service. Fairpoint outsources their data services to someone else on their behalf. | |
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| I hate to say it but.... I hate to say it but I think I'd rather have AT&T buy out the market than Fairpoint. They won't, but, while AT&T's current offering is behind Verizon's FIOS, at least it isn't as far back as Fairpoint, and they DO have the money to do something about it. | |
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| From the Boston Globe David O'Brien, commissioner of the Vermont Public Service Department, which represents ratepayers, said he felt FairPoint and Verizon could give the board a new proposal soon.
"We remain open to the potential for a modified proposal that would better meet the needs of Vermont consumers, as outlined in the board's order," O'Brien said at a Montpelier news conference. | |
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