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Atlanta, GA | Viacom & Copyright infringement Let's see which corrupt politicians get behind this bill... | |
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hopeflicker
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| Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement said by CatchingSpy  :Let's see which corrupt politicians get behind this bill... corrupt indeed!
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Let's see how many freeloading consumers won't support companies' attempts to be compensated for their products. Besides, what bill and politicians are you talking about? The article talks about industry consolidating efforts, not lawsuits or lobbying congress. | |
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hopeflicker
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| Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement said by openbox9 : Besides, what bill and politicians are you talking about? ohhh, come on. You know very damn well that politicians ALWAYS get involved when these companies try to restrict their content.
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join:2004-01-26
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| Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement said by hopeflicker :You know very damn well that politicians ALWAYS get involved Umm, no I don't. Anyway, if the politicians get involved, then you can jump to conclusions and claim that corporate America has once again reigned over our elected representatives with the promises of bottomless pits of money. | |
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join:2001-01-13
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| Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement said by openbox9 :said by hopeflicker :You know very damn well that politicians ALWAYS get involved Umm, no I don't. Anyway, if the politicians get involved, then you can jump to conclusions and claim that corporate America has once again reigned over our elected representatives with the promises of bottomless pits of money. It was the politicians who extended for the umpteenth time the lifetime of a copyright under the guise of "The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act". The public domain be damned. I eventually expect the term "limited time", as applied to copyrights, to be infinity minus one second.
So yes, the politicians are too involved. First they make sure that content will never ever become public domain and then they will make sure that everyone is slapped for even trying to get around it.
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join:2004-01-26
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| Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement said by n2jtx :It was the politicians who extended for the umpteenth time the lifetime of a copyright Irrelevant for this thread. This topic is about the industry uniting to present a solid front to protect their content from piracy. | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement In the case of BROADCAST material, they shouldn't trasmit them over public airwaves if they're worried about "piracy". | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | because clips from a TV show on youtube is just so hurting the industry. or some gamer who uses a song for a music video using game footage is so hurting the band.
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement Why is this so hard to understand? It's about protecting their content. Allowing a precedence to be set providing for unauthorized redistribution is bad business practice...for any product/market. | |
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA
| Re: Viacom & Copyright infringement said by openbox9 :Why is this so hard to understand? It's about protecting their content. Allowing a precedence to be set providing for unauthorized redistribution is bad business practice...for any product/market. If they want to protect their content that's fine and good luck to them. I just loath these companies that buy their laws. Down right corruption.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i have zero sympathy for networks like NBC, they pulled out of iTunes and then go and whine about illegal downloads. yet they pulled out of an easy to use legal service.
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| pffftttt...... I wish I could write my own legislation. Wheres the owner of Youtube and the others in this mix? Shouldn't others be involved in this limiting idea? You gotta love this country, we are fighting a "war" to install democracy in the world and are limiting it here.....Peace
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Midland, ON | Re: pffftttt...... Democracy has nothing to do with uploading copyrighted work to a web-site. To compare the two is pretty foolish. | |
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1 edit | Re: pffftttt...... believe me this isn't just about "copyrighted" work, they love all these places to go away to protect their archaic revenue stream.peace
added yes this will be ultimately about democracy
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Copyrights should expire 15 years after the content is created. this gives the artist enough time to make their money.
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join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH
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| so they want to control content so basically barring a tiered internet, they want control of all video sites. it's not enough to allow the site operators and users to control their content... the media conglmo's want that level of control as well. well i have a better idea.
why not simply beat the 'pirates' at their own game and just post your content quicker, and in higher quality. you know, most techie's have nice systems, and would love HD streams, or at least the ability to download HD quality video of newer stuff... and at least 'enhanced quality' versions of current and older stuff. honestly, who really likes the quality of the average DIVX file? who would pick a youtube video over something that can be displayed in at least 480i and be viewed comfortably on a big screen LCD or home theater PC? and the sound- it takes up so little bandwidth to include surround sound! give us what we want and most 'pirates' will gladly pay. Media-co's here's a great idea: talk to apple cause the both of you can benefit what with the apple-tv thing on the market!
just don't charge too much. i think a commercial-free TV show should run around $5. don't DRM it, just have a little faith that even a spoiled suburban kid can use their paypal account to access the latest 'daily show' or what have you...
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: so they want to control content If this gets approved u tube will have to pay em to use there filter software. | |
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Torrance, CA | Re: Big Middle finger to Viacom Yeah, YouTube is going down even further. YouTube has started deleting Cartoon Network and Fox shows  | |
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| They already HAVE the DMCA Which CLEARLY STATES, if they want infringing content taken down, they just need to send a notice. This is nothing more than an end-run around a law that isn't doing what they want it to do.
Why should google, or ANY company have to limit what their users upload? If the megacorps don't like it, they just need to file a DMCA notice, for EVERY INFRINGEMENT. Guess what, that's what the LAW says. If Viacom and CBS and the eternal disney want to keep their stuff off youtube and other media, well, then they just need to hire some people to police those sites.
Google WILL take down a video, if a properly filled out (in triplicate), DMCA copyright notice is delivered to them by a legal representative of the law enforcement community. This will ALSO help the local sheriff, since the sheriff will charge them $40.00 for EVERY notice they deliver.
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| Re: They already HAVE the DMCA said by karlmarx :Which CLEARLY STATES, if they want infringing content taken down, they just need to send a notice. This is nothing more than an end-run around a law that isn't doing what they want it to do. If you didn't post this then I would have because no one else picked up on it. Bravo!
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russotto
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Collegeville, PA | I seem to recall similar legislation... Didn't the Council of Mice, Rats, and Assorted Vermin once pass a bill requiring cats to wear bells at all times? | |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| ViaCom and it's like are idiots... Pirated movies, TV shows and such are generally higher quality than what is offered by the copyright holder thereof, so of course people will go for higher quality, especially when it's free.
Until said copyright holders realize this, pirating will only continue to grow, along with boycotting of any ISP that introduces so-called "anti-pirating" devices (most of which are, in fact, an invasion of privacy, which is, of course, illegal, if you can prove it) by pirates, and anyone else who likes their first amendment rights (or is unwilling to sign them away to some big, faceless company). | |
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GlobalMind
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Like sands through the hourglass... Oh wait I might be sued for using that line...
Anyway, so are the threads on copyright. On one hand those who berate big media, on the other hand, those who universally lambaste consumers as being pirates by the lot.
The fact is we need balance. The extension of copyright terms is absolutely germane to the conversation, as the thread is about copyright. Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise because it doesn't forward your agenda.
I have no issue with big media looking to get paid, the thing is they ARE getting paid. If they aren't paying the folks who staff the shows, create sets and all that then perhaps they need to change how much they pay "talent."
When I see the red carpets at all these award shows and after parties...these folks have money. Lots of it. Media has lost very little of what they claim they have. It clearly isn't having the impact they say it is...other than having to explore a different business model. Oh the humanity!
There are plenty of consumers out there who just want everything for free and that's that. Sure. The real question is whether or not the vast majority of consumers are pirating content on a daily basis in lieu of watching the show live or on DVR (more on that in a sec). I believe the majority of consumers are NOT pirating their fave TV shows. But there are those whose aim in life is to make sure everything is free, and yes there is ultimately an issue with that.
I like YouTube, but rarely is what I see on YouTube what I would call a good replacement for live broadcast in HD. I have a DVR - something media fought, just like the VCR, just like they ALWAYS do, fight technology - and I can watch the stuff later if I can't watch it live.
Fact is that I have to choose. If I watch one show live and the other on my TiVo, they get no ad exposure because I ff through it...assuming I remember to do so. BUT what they do get is a viewing.
I understand the need to protect the work. I agree with that, but I think balance is needed. Thus far copyrights favor the media folks, the legislation is there already to help them in the DMCA. They don't need anything else. If they are too lazy to send the request that isn't my problem.
I agree with a public domain, and I think there should be reasonable copyright term limits. The current limits are vastly skewed and overarching.
Some media folks have figured out that it isn't all bad having their stuff on YouTube. Be it music or video. Kudos to those who get it. Why did NBC yank their stuff from iTunes? Oh yea, so they could start their own service. Hmm.
If we don't have balance then we get "us vs them" and that's all we'll have.
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