 sansri88digital is herePremium join:2005-12-17 New York, NY kudos:1 | TWC/Brighthouse ftw Don't give in to the greedy corporation. | |
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 |  hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA kudos:1 | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw said by sansri88:Don't give in to the greedy corporation. But, but, but it's capitalism. /sarcasm | |
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 |  1 edit | I posted this in the TWC thread, but here goes for the front page...
I'm a Comcast sub and yet I saw the ticker. Uninvolved parties are getting involved. The gestapo tactics these media companies do need to come to an end. It's unfair buisness practce. Now how many overworked call center agents at TW and Brighthouse have to field all the angry calls? Not to mention call center agents from other providers getting hit with "is this going to happen to us?". What a big waste of time. Also they are ruining their own programming and web sites with that banner.
Um, Viacom, would it be better to get what your making now from TWC and BH, or how about a BIG FAT ZERO? Hmm, last time I looked, something is better than NOTHING. I say go without and let Viacom see some red ink on their books from loss of viewership. TWC is the second largest cable operator next to Comcast. That's quite a few MILLION customers that will no longer see your programming Viacom. Your advertisers will no longer pay you as much money because your audience is now greatly reduced. Viacom, your in a loose-loose situation. Oh and whatever happened to MUSIC television? Bring back MTV-X.
Time Warner/Bright House - Stand your ground. If they deauth your receivers replace the feeds with a continuous loop blasting Viacom and what it does for cable rates. Time to educate the customers who the REAL BADGUYS ARE. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw From: »www.engadgethd.com/2008/12/31/am···g-crawl/
American Cable Association calls out Viacom's annoying crawl by Richard Lawler, posted Dec 31st 2008 at 6:47PM
We're not sure how this demand will be received, but the American Cable Association's argument is simple: if only Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks subs are in danger of losing MTV Networks channels at the stroke of midnight, why are we all bothered with an annoying crawl message? Of course, that plea is couched by statements backing TWC and BHN's reluctance to agree to new higher programming fees, but those of us eagerly anticipating a Miley-Sized surprise during tonight's NYE celebration that have a different provider could do without the interruptions. | |
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 |  |  |  PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium join:2005-01-03 | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw said by cypherstream:if only Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks subs are in danger of losing MTV Networks channels at the stroke of midnight, why are we all bothered with an annoying crawl message? Because Viacom is running a campaign to try and turn ALL TV viewers against TWC. It's extremely childish and immature, and even if I was a TWC customer, I'd say let's play hardball and let them pull the channels, and see how they like the lost revenue from TWC AND their advertisers.
They're being childish assholes, and they're gonna get screwed in the end. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw said by PolarBear03:Because Viacom is running a campaign to try and turn ALL TV viewers against TWC. It's extremely childish and immature, and even if I was a TWC customer, I'd say let's play hardball and let them pull the channels, and see how they like the lost revenue from TWC AND their advertisers. The explanation is actually a lot simpler.
The reason that everyone is seeing the crawl about TWC is because it originates at master control.
The reason it originates at master control is because that is the most effective way Viacom can get the word out to TWC subs.
That's it, no grand conspiracy. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium join:2005-01-03 | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw I didn't say it was a conspiracy, just an immature method of conveying their stance. Not only the delivery method itself, but also how the message implies that it's all TWC's fault, so call them and bitch. It's a disagreement between BOTH parties, making each party equally responsible. Yet Viacom wasn't giving out THEIR phone number, only TWC/BH's.
As I said, childish behavior, because they know they have just as much (more, IMHO) to lose if TWC tells them to shove it. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw So how else were they to get all viewers to know the channels were being pulled?
Inserting the crawl in at master was the cheapest and most effective way to do it. The other cable companies seeing the message was simply collateral damage. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium join:2005-01-03 | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw Why did they need to at all? Since they ended up renegotiating the contract before they pulled the channels anyway (as they pretty much knew they would since in my time I've never heard of Viacom actually pulling all those channels from a major provider), all they managed to do was alarm a bunch of subscribers unnecessarily.
Not only that, they weren't JUST notifying viewers that the channels were going to be pulled, but also implying it was TWC/BH's fault by asking viewers to call TWC/BH and complain. As I said before, notice they weren't putting up their own number? They didn't even mention their own name (a lot of viewers don't realize that Viacom owns all those channels).
I think that TWC should be able to sue Viacom for defamation. They did a good job making TWC look really bad, simply because THEY (Viacom) wanted a huge increase.
If I went around as a sat installer doing shitty installs and telling customers it's DirecTV's fault that the install sucks so bad simply because I wanted a raise and they wouldn't give me one, I guarantee you DirecTV would fire my ass. The only difference is DTV could get a new installer to replace me. TWC can't get MTV, Nick, and Comedy Central from somewhere else.
That still doesn't mean they should have to tolerate the badmouthing, though. Viacom should give up their right to even ask for an increase after that smear campaign. If I went around telling my customers that DirecTV sucks, I certainly wouldn't expect a raise. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw Dream on.
It's just business as usual. Viacom presented the facts. There's no defamation. Both of them were playing an elaborate game of chicken.
It's not like this hasn't happened before. Charlie Ergen ALWAYS has fights with programming providers, which is why DISH keeps dropping channels from time to time and then picking them back up. | |
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Although I can see it now. Little Billy walking into their parents room tomorrow morning with a tear in his eye saying one thing all day.
"Daddy? I can't watch SpongeBob. I wanna watch SpongeBob! SpongeBob told me yesterday that the mean cable company wanted to get rid of him! WHY DID THE MEAN CABLE COMPANY WANT TO GET RID OF SPONGEBOB!! HE DIDN"T DO ANYTHING WRONG!!" -- Frankly, I no longer fear Hell anymore, because I know Satan will just put me in my old office and proceed to unleash an unending barrage of stupidity towards me. | |
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 |  |  |  axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC 1 edit | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw "Yes, son, blame the cable company." Thinks to himself "At last! No more SpongeBob!" | |
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 |  EPS join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | Well, to be fair, Time Warner (or just Time Warner Cable) is actually larger by market capitalization than Viacom, isn't it?
This is a battle between greedy corporations on side, and greedy corporations on the other side. | |
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 |  RacerbobPremium join:2001-06-24 Webster, NY | Screw Viacom. We don't watch or need any of their channels in our home. I hope that the channels go off ...permanently. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw said by Racerbob:Screw Viacom. We don't watch or need any of their channels in our home. I hope that the channels go off ...permanently. I agree "screw Viacom"...but you also left out screw TW too. This is a fight about whom can be more greedy. Will TW customers get reduced rates if these channels go away?...never! Will Viacom learn that reduced revenues from advertising in a bad economy will effect their bottom line?....never! Viacom will be shoveling more Flava Flav type crap because they can get it cheap, rather than actually showing Music Videos on Music TV because of the royalties involved.
The real question is...what would Vannila Ice do? | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw I agree let them drop ViaCrap from the lineup.
Extortion is what these companies are doing a reasonable rate increase at times are expected but from what I am aware of this is no ordinary rate increase 3 fold increase is high.
I hear some are going to switch to Satellite TV, I think that is more expensive but if they want those channels then go ahead pay through the nose.
Content providers are acting like OPEC greedy.
I rather not pay extra for 19 of Viacom's channels.
Especially LOGO. Keep that to yourselves. | |
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 |  dougauPremium join:2007-08-09 Dickson, TN | It seems both Time Warner Cable and Viacom are greedy and don't give a shit about their customers. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: TWC/Brighthouse ftw I used to be a Time Warner Sub in NYC before I moved out. They were a horrible monopoly that treated their customers like dirt, and gave us watered down service. In 2002 in Queens my street wasn't wired for digital, only analog. I could understand for some podunk two traffic light redneck paradise, but not new york fucking city.
Now that FiOS is in town, they are literally quaking in their boots.
Had FiOS not shown up, Time Warner would have just accepted the increase and passed it on to the customers.
Now with real competition they have to actually fight the fee increase. | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 1 edit | »www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/···lumn.htm
This afternoon Time Warner made an offer to Viacom, which was an increase of the original offer, and asked for an extension in negotiations. Viacom rejected this offer as they felt that it was a lowball figure, as they asked for a $39 Million Dollar increase. Viacom rejected Time Warner's request for a 15 to 30 day extension, and with just hours to go, it appears as if Viacom will be pulling nearly 20-channels from Time Warner Cable Sounds like it is Viacom being the ones who care the least about the customers. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ 1 edit | i honestly do not understand why the entertainment industry keeps asking for more and more money, causing cable rates to go up. then sits around and wonders why people drop down their cable tiers and just pirate the shows off torrents.
it is always bad to piss off the customer, especially when they can get your product elsewhere for free.
this is honestly a case where id hope a judge would throw out any piracy case on the grounds that due to the greed of both companies the person was unable to access with legal means via programing or websites.
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 DominokatHiPremium join:2002-08-06 Boothbay, ME kudos:2 1 edit | Go ahead I don't watch Sponge Bob or My Super Sweet 16 anyway. Total waste of channels. -- "I'm just a goof, looking for my ball." | |
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 |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ | Re: Go ahead said by Dominokat:I don't watch Sponge Bob or My Sweet 16 anyway. Total waste of channels. I agree, a total riddance. Perhaps if they switched to a-la-carte programming they'd realize that nobody wants to pay for this nonsense, total crap if you ask me.
Honestly. I don't even watch TV anymore, I refuse to pay for it. -- "Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn
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 |  PhilRojo SolPremium join:2001-06-11 Downers Grove, IL kudos:2 | To you, sure. But my 3-year old enjoys Noggin. Oh wait, I'm not affected regardless, nevermind. | |
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 |  CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | said by Dominokat:I don't watch Sponge Bob or My Super Sweet 16 anyway. Total waste of channels. To you they are a waste, it's a good thing you don't speak for everyone  | |
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA kudos:18 | Broader than that! I have Comcast and there was a ticker scrolling across the screen stating TW and BrightHouse would be losing blah blah blah... and to call to keep them. -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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 | | Bill reduction? Get rid of Viacrap and lower my bill! | |
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 |  | | Re: Bill reduction? said by jebba2005:Get rid of Viacrap and lower my bill! "Viacom countered that it was asking for only a modest increase of about 25 cents a month, or $3 a year, per subscriber for its package of 19 channels." »www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne···85.story
This is a different figure than what TW is bitching about! | |
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 |  |  jester121Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Bill reduction? Look, if you're going to keep interjecting facts into this debate you'll have to leave, sir.  | |
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The facts are, when you multiply relatively small numbers by 10's of million's of households times many channels you get very large $$'s. | |
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 Chaldo join:2008-03-18 West Bloomfield, MI 1 edit | just ban all rr ips It's pretty easy all they do is ban all Road runner ip addresses, usually by trace they can find its coming from roadrunner. then again its easy to get out of that too hehe.
But Viacom are being little bitches. | |
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2 edits | Re: just ban all rr ips said by Chaldo:It's pretty easy all they do is ban all Road runner ip addresses, usually by trace they can find its coming from roadrunner. then again its easy to get out of that too hehe. But Viacom are being little bitches. Very easy to get around that. Just use a proxy server. Hell, even Time Warner Cable can setup an off site proxy. Then setup a web page full of online Viacom stuff which directs through that off site proxy server specifically for Time Warner Cable customers. If Viacom pulls everything offline from everyone then it only hurts viacom and no one else. -- See ma cap b1tch? | |
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 |  |  | | Re: just ban all rr ips said by Lagz:said by Chaldo:It's pretty easy all they do is ban all Road runner ip addresses, usually by trace they can find its coming from roadrunner. then again its easy to get out of that too hehe. But Viacom are being little bitches. Very easy to get around that. Just use a proxy server. Hell, even Time Warner Cable can setup an off site proxy. Then setup a web page full of online Viacom stuff which directs through that off site proxy server specifically for Time Warner Cable customers.  If Viacom pulls everything offline from everyone then it only hurts viacom and no one else. How does ESPN360 do it then? They limit that content to customers of certain ISP providers (of which Comcast, Time Warner, and Brighthouse are NOT ISP subscribers)
I would think they could easily implement an ISP-based solution like ESPN did. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: just ban all rr ips They do it based on the ip blocks , They simply blacklist the ip blocks of any isp they don't want accessing the site.
Easily worked around with a proxy on an isp that does get accepted. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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 |  |  |  |  axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | Re: just ban all rr ips It's kind of an interesting note that "network neutrality" only applies to the network, not the endpoints. Servers (or clients) can block whatever IP addresses they like, of course people won't like it. Furthermore, the blocked networks aren't required to go out of their way to get through a block, they just can't do any blocking themselves. | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 3 edits | Re: Providers need to join an alliance and rebell together said by cypherstream:Customers and Providers are fed up with this. Time for all providers to join together and rebel against this. Get the American Cable Association, NCTA, Big boys like Comcast, DirecTV, Dish Network, etc.. to form an alliance. Except that most of the customers WILL call up TWC & BrightHouse and whine to cust svc reps to just pay Viacom what they want. And if, god forbid, TWC & BrightHouse stand up to Viacom and the channels are shut off, these same customers will be calling their congresscritters and the FCC demanding that the cable companies be FORCED to carry the Viacom channels. And when the price goes up, they will whine about cable company price increases.
Everyone should remove Viacom from their systems. What's viacom without a distributer. It would be a modern day Boston Tea Party. This would be a stance that content providers need to be more reasonable. I agree that this would be a great idea. Except that the cable companies would be hauled in to court within hours and be hit with a restraining order and be accused of breaking anti-trust laws.
We need an aliance to finally help the consumer. I don't even care if the FCC has to step in. The FCC usually does more harm than good, but right now they need to investigate the real problem area's, not the multi service video providers. The FCC has repeatedly slapped the cable companies down in favor of the content providers, who really pull the strings at the FCC. This time would be no different.
And if you needed proof, here is an example of the typical customers attitude and response to the issue:
said by Knuckles:I already called Direct Tv will have service set up Monday. The way I see it Brighthouse does not want to come off some profit margin. I will keep my channels and gain the NFL network.... See ya Brighthouse.....your light went dim in my home. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Providers need to join an alliance and rebell together "Everyone should remove Viacom from their systems. What's viacom without a distributer. It would be a modern day Boston Tea Party. This would be a stance that content providers need to be more reasonable."
This I agree with. As far as bein Typical....you sir have no idea my relationship with Brighthouse. | |
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 |  |  axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | I think the whole forced bundling thing is unfair. It seems a small step away from unfair tying.
It seems there'd be lots of support to include forced bundling in the category of "unfair trade". I can think of many examples where it'd be good to end forced bundling. | |
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 | | Providers need to join an alliance and rebel together Customers and Providers are fed up with this. Time for all providers to join together and rebel against this. Get the American Cable Association, NCTA, Big boys like Comcast, DirecTV, Dish Network, etc.. to form an alliance.
Everyone should remove Viacom from their systems. What's viacom without a distributer. It would be a modern day Boston Tea Party. This would be a stance that content providers need to be more reasonable.
We need an alliance to finally help the consumer. I don't even care if the FCC has to step in. The FCC usually does more harm than good, but right now they need to investigate the real problem area's, not the multi service video providers. | |
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 Toguro join:2003-10-23 Ottawa, IL | No more Nick No more Sponge Bob gay pants,Icrappy and jackass and Josh. YOU LUCKY BASTARDS | |
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 rraAdvice join:2008-09-19 Kingsville, MO | Will it just be Black Screen? They'll have to run "filler" commercials in between real commercials just to fill out an hour long show cause nobody will advertise with them. -- If you are unhappy with your service stop using it. | |
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 | | ohh wow big loss like mtv play music anymore, we got the internet for musicvideos, and well as far as comedy central goes we have hulu, and megavideo.com for southpark :P and i never liked viocom any how they suck, alway's have... | |
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 | | Wow... Now, granted, I know very little about how cable distribution with channels and content works, but this seems like a really dirty tactic. Taking down airtime and putting it up with commercials blasting TWC's PR.
I'm no friend of monopolies and such, but fair is fair. I wonder if TWC has any legal recourse for what Viacom is doing? TWC needs to stand up to Viacom anyways. And if Viacom calls bluff, well, I wouldn't exactly call those channels a loss anyways...
It's starting to be a piss match between them, that's for sure. -- What happens when you combine common sense and an outspoken personality? | |
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 TWCdude join:2006-04-28 San Antonio, TX kudos:23 | On the bright side If all those crap channels disappear it would free up about 36mhz of space from the analog and 6mhz from the digital channels. At least here in San Antonio. Which would give room for 70 sdtv channels 14 non SDV HDTV channels. Or 50+ SDV HD channels. If they let the contract expire I would not let them put those channels back on the analog stations when viacom crawls back. | |
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 Anonymous_AnonymousPremium join:2004-06-21 127.0.0.1 kudos:2 | Pirated i will just have to Pirate shows, problem solved | |
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 |  | | Re: Pirated yeah cool , lets give them more of a reason to try and force more regulation. | |
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 |  |  ds5v50 join:2003-01-22 Fremont, OH | Re: Pirated Looks like we need an opinion poll that TWC can let Viacom see showing how worthless there programing is. I feel the same... TCW wave bye bye to Viacom, give us something we want. | |
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 miscDude join:2005-03-24 Hendersonville, NC | Really dirty pool I have numerous issues with the way this whole thing is shaping up.
1. Since when does Viacom try to deal directly with the consumer? By starting their media blitz, and crawl, they have basically tried to get the consumer to fight their fight for them. What's worse, the method and timing of what they did prevented the MSO, who actually has to deal with the consumers on a regular basis, from handling the situation in such a way as it avoids pissing off EVERYBODY!
2. What's also interesting is by placing the crawl on all their feeds, they have also pissed off a lot of other carriers who are having their customers flood their call centers as well about this issue. I'm sorry if you had any sort of REAL issue today with Any MSO, because odds are your long hold time was because of people freaking out about the Viacom crawl.
3. I'm sorry.... a 22-35% INCREASE in your per sub rates? WHAT?! And you are SHOCKED when they say no? Name one thing that has, over the past year, gone UP in price 22-35%? Even the MSO's themselves only tend to raise their rates 2-5%. As a whole, we have actually seen prices DECREASE this year because of the economy, even gas which was averaging around $3/gal at the start of the year has now dropped close to the $1.75 range at the end because the economy got so bad.
About the only bright side I can say for all this, is it might help your general public see how greedy big content is, and how it effects their cable rates.
What I want to know is, If Viacom has decided to market their product and position directly to the consumer like their current campaign and crawl are indicating (you know... without having to deal with the consumer by only providing the MSO's numbers)... Does this mean that if the customers all call in and say "I just want MTV and Nick, And maybe Spike... But trash the rest of that crap".... That Viacom will allow customers (and MSO's) to ala-carte their channel offerings? Or do they actually have the spine to tell the general public "OH! I'm sorry... You need to take all these channels, no exceptions and no discounts.. We need them all on the air so we can sell advertising on each one." | |
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 |  sansri88digital is herePremium join:2005-12-17 New York, NY kudos:1 | Re: Really dirty pool For the crawls that Viacom is running, TWC and Brighthouse should insert their own advertisements in the local ad blocks they have showing their side of the story.
What Viacom is doing is exactly what you said: getting the consumer to fight for their idea, whether it's the right idea or the wrong one (in this case, the wrong one). | |
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 PhilRojo SolPremium join:2001-06-11 Downers Grove, IL kudos:2 | They've been showing the ticker regardless of carrier...
I have Verizon FiOS and have been seeing the wonderful messages as well. | |
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 |  | | Re: They've been showing the ticker regardless of carrier... Same on my end with DISH Network. | |
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 |  |  RR ConductorNWP RR Inc.,serving NW CAPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | Re: They've been showing the ticker regardless of carrier... I'm not seeing them on Directv. | |
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Everyone will see them, even the guy with a 8 foot BUD. | |
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 pokesphIt Is Almost FastPremium join:2001-06-25 Sacramento, CA kudos:1 | yawn... No loss of DECENT content there
nothing to see, move along. | |
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 |  RR ConductorNWP RR Inc.,serving NW CAPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | Re: yawn... said by pokesph:No loss of DECENT content there nothing to see, move along. I'd be VERY ticked if they took Nick At Nite and TV Land off my set, they play a lot of good, classic tv, a lot of VERY good content  | |
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 |  |  Steve MehsGun Control Is Using A Steady HandPremium join:2005-07-16 | Re: yawn... Since when do Full House, Home Improvement, Cosby Show Extreme Make Over, Trading Spouces and Nanny 911 qualify as 'classic TV', hell other then Home Improvement, none of them are any good either, especially Full House. | |
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 |  |  |  RR ConductorNWP RR Inc.,serving NW CAPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 3 edits | Re: yawn... said by Steve Mehs:Since when do Full House, Home Improvement, Cosby Show Extreme Make Over, Trading Spouces and Nanny 911 qualify as 'classic TV', hell other then Home Improvement, none of them are any good either, especially Full House. The Cosby show is classic tv, I consider anything from the the 1980's on back to be classic tv. I am a HUGE fan of 1950's thru 1980's tv myself, I don't watch those other shows though, well other than Home Improvement.
Edit-Then there's Sanford and Son, The Jefferson's, All in the Family, Three's Company, all on TV Land, those shows are as classic as they come! I luv 'em all  | |
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 |  danawhitakerSpace...The Final FrontierPremium join:2002-03-02 Urbandale, IA | There's a lot of content I don't care for on many of those channels BUT...
I have a child that watches several shows on Nickelodeon. I'd be darn ticked if this was happening, because I'd have to deal with a toddler whining to watch Spongebob. And I'm sure the response to this will be that my kid should learn to watch less TV, she doesn't watch a lot, but she does on occasion enjoy Spongebob, she knows *exactly* when it comes on, and three year olds aren't always rational. I'd rather not listen to a screaming fit when I try to turn on the channel and it's not there.
I'm just glad I'm not in Time Warner or Bright House territory. At least when Mediacom dropped FOX in Des Moines for a while an antenna was a viable free alternative. -- You're watching Sports Night on CSC so stick around... | |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 1 edit | VIACOM - don't be STUPID - keep your sites open
Dear VIACOM,
If you block TWC and BrightHouse from your sites, you are doing very dumb things --
1. You are driving viewers to competitors' programs and websites, reducing your viewer loyalty. What is your programming worth if customers stop wanting it?
2. You are severing the remaining "end-run" channel you have between yourselves and TWC/BrightHouse customers. Your best hedge against bad-faith bargaining is the ability to perform an end-run to the customers.
3. You are missing an opportunity to raise ad rates. If the only way to watch The Daily Show is on your website, you can demand top-dollar from your website advertisers. The Daily Show advertisers can't bypass you by advertising with the operators.
4. You are encouraging people to turn to non-paying or lesser-paying avenues to get your programming.
SO, DON'T BE STUPID. I really don't care about who wins this fight. My motive here is to show that the power of the Internet is how it creates a level playing field. By keeping your websites open, then you're not at the mercy of a monopolist Cable-TV operator.
(However, if you do close your websites to TWC/BrightHouse Internet users, you can expect that they will show you that they're not at the mercy of you, either.) -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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5. You are violating the principals of net-neutrality. Perhaps the FCC should get involved and fine them $3 / year for each IP address that is blocked. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: VIACOM - don't be STUPID - keep your sites open what is the principals of net-neutrality? Since when is Net Neutrality even in place?
And by the way they're not slowing content down or anything. they're fully blocking and if you don't like it change providers. That's easy. Or maybe tell TWC to pay the rate increase and offer to have your bill raise to get the content. | |
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 |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | said by viagreedy :
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5. You are violating the principals of net-neutrality. Perhaps the FCC should get involved and fine them $3 / year for each IP address that is blocked. Viacom can't violate NN any more than you or I can from our homes.
Even though it's not the common NN problem, the specter of "delay, degrade, deny" deals like NN advocates worry about suddenly seem to appear here!
Internet Access Providers ought to be making deals with subscribers to connect them to the Internet. If their deal with Viacom has any Internet-related component to it, it ought to be examined! -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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 |  wev567 join:2006-02-25 Pittsburgh, PA | Didn't TWC say something about Viacom raising cable rates for content they give away for free online? | |
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 |  |  | | Re: VIACOM - don't be STUPID - keep your sites open Common negotiation tactic. Cable companies also claim that because local stations are freely receivable over the air that they shouldn't be charged to redistribute them.
FCC rules say differently. | |
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 icexPremium join:2004-05-22 USA | Blah.. Same stuff with dishnetwork a few years ago. Not sure if anyone remembers it though. | |
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 |  cline3621Mr. Yuk is MEAN Mr. Yuk is GREENPremium join:2006-06-14 Clarksville, TN | Re: Blah.. I remember the summer of 2003 as a Dish Network technician.
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