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join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
1 edit | I'm moving to greener pastures With this, I'm moving to greener pastures.
If I'm going to be stuck paying this much for service, it might as well come from a top-shelf provider.
Does anyone know of a carrier who can port in multiple numbers as virtual numbers, even if the number is a virtual number elsewhere already? I have my ViaTalk number plus I have Vonage service that I've had for almost 7 years which has 4 virtual numbers on it from all my moves.
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| Re: I'm moving to greener pastures said by davoice  :Does anyone know of a carrier who can port in multiple numbers as virtual numbers, even if the number is a virtual number elsewhere already? I have my ViaTalk number plus I have Vonage service that I've had for almost 7 years which has 4 virtual numbers on it from all my moves. }Davoice I had no trouble porting 3 numbers to VoicePulse.
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join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
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| Re: Why are their government fees? Viatalk is the poster child for VOIP which I nicked named the "maybe phone" and now, month to month its not even a deal compared to POTS
I went back to Verizon POTS, the have the freedom essentials package ( CID/CW/VM unlimited US/CA ), with the winback promotion ( 1 year ) it was 29 buck plus taxes.
No internet,routers, or QOS needed and it always works
Others have posted that Verizon is offering same package now for 15.99 in mailed post cards ... | |
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1 edit | Re: Why are their government fees? No kidding, with these latest increases, my Verizon POTS service was actually cheaper by a buck. | |
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St John'S, NL | Re: Why are their government fees? So the fees they add in are not government mandate, but part of the actual cost of service.
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| This is a cost for operating as a business. It's the same thing Sprint has been doing to all its customers. This expense should be covered by them the "company".
I been using QuantumVoice. I pay $19.99 a month and this includes taxes and all other fees. That's it. Check em out. | |
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | Re: Why are their government fees? What other overhead would they like to itemize? How about workers comp fees? Or fire inspection fees. It's bull.
They just want to keep advertising $15 while charging 30% more. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Why are their government fees? said by Dogfather :What other overhead would they like to itemize? How about workers comp fees? Or fire inspection fees. It's bull. They just want to keep advertising $15 while charging 30% more. Bla bla... two things.. 1) you guys need to get over this "they're charging me fees" BS.. because that's what it is. 2) There is a law that says how providers much itemize items on the bill.
To add to the post you replied to, the same can be said to POTS services.. they want to advertise their service as "X" price and not have to include the taxes.. it's all relevant.
The bottom line is that if the company/provider is to "pay the cost" don't think for one moment that it's not going into the monthly. In the end, what's the number at the "Please pay" amount line? THAT is where you must compare one provider to another.
I'm going to scream if I hear another person say they are being screwed for having to pay for a service. It's called life and we all play and pay in it. You don't want the fees? There's an easy option - DO NOT BUY. Go with out and live back int he caveman days.
Just as people ask for providers to "be reasonable" or "be fair" and not over do it to the customer, the SAME has to be said to the consumer. You work, you make money, so do not expect that you're going to get to keep it all and tell providers that YOU chose to purchase a service from that they want too much. You have a choice to say no.. not to mention, I STILL can't understand and get past ANYONE that has a cell phone who says their land line phone service is too much, voip or not. Cell phones REMAIN a premium and VERY expensive service... nothing has changed from day one. If the land line is too much money, they drop it and keep the over priced and expensive cell service... OR, if the land line is that important, drop the cell phone. Another option....? better one's self, get a better job, work another, and have more money so more things can be afforded... or, simply make some better personal decisions in life and cut out expenses in other parts of the budget.. | |
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4 edits | Re: Why are their government fees? Blah blah blah, it would be easier to not buy if they weren't lying in their advertising. And WRONG, there is no such thing as a regulatory recovery tax just like there isn't a number portability tax, or you haven't used enough long distance tax, or any of these other bullcrap fees. For the bullcrap 9-1-1 fees, they're uniform to every line and should be included in the ADVERTISED cost of the service. How about when you buy gasoline, should you pay $.99 plus a bunch of itemized "fees" like the state standards inspection fee? Fire department inspection fee? Should the true price of the gallon of gas be buried in some line card in the office while the fake price is out on a sign on the street?
There is no Cost tax. There never was. Cost = overhead and is "recovered" by the total cost of the service, not in some itemized charge buried in a TOS. 9-1-1 is uniformly charged by the provider and by FCC mandate ALL lines have to have it. Include the cost in the advertised price. IOW, don't advertise the service is $15, when it's 20% higher. None of these items are taxes. All of these items are added at a flat rate.
People have a problem with a company who advertises the service at $10 when the real cost of the service is $14. If it's really $14, say it's $14.
And if they want to take an increase, have the balls to take the increase and advertise the new TOTAL higher price proudly all over their site. And stop blaming gov't as if it is some sort of new tax. All businesses are subject to the costs of regulation and taxation but telecom and the airlines are some of the few who use it as an excuse to defraud customers. | |
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| said by fiberguy :The bottom line is that if the company/provider is to "pay the cost" don't think for one moment that it's not going into the monthly. In the end, what's the number at the "Please pay" amount line? THAT is where you must compare one provider to another. So where is this "please pay amount" advertised? Can we compare these numbers before ordering the service, or did you happen to overlook that minor detail?
said by fiberguy :I'm going to scream if I hear another person say they are being screwed for having to pay for a service. It's called life and we all play and pay in it. You don't want the fees? There's an easy option - DO NOT BUY. Go with out and live back int he caveman days. If you stretch any further you might qualify for the circus. Nobody is complaining that they "have to pay for a service," but rather the indefensible practice of sucking customers in with a low advertised rate only to have another $10-20 worth of gotchas show up on your first bill. How would you like if you went to the baseball stadium box office to get some $50 tix for your favorite team, only to have a $3 Stadium Cleanup Fee and a $3 Grass Maintenance Fee tacked onto each ticket? How would you like if you went to dinner and, instead of getting charged for what you ordered, you had a $3 Refrigeration Fee, a $3 Glass-Filling Fee, and $3 Visa/Mastercard Recovery Fee? Nothing wrong with this practice at all, right? You as a consumer are clearly WAY out of line to complain about these "unfees." | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Why are their government fees? Get an education and learn how our society works.. either get with it or find another one to join.
And if you guys are going to be posting gripes, at least be accurate in them or continue to look a fool.
I've over looked NOTHING... you, however, are just like a small minority that look for any reason to bitch - then do.
Taxes.. they don't advertise the taxes as they vary.. fees? They are fees charged to the provider to provide the service and are ABSOLUTELY allowed to pass them on.
Try not to lump VOIP and POTS into two different categories here. It was said in another post that "X Voip company just wants their price to look better by not including the fees"... and? That makes it any different than what POTS does? There is this culture of people trying to rah rah for one side and then betch slap the other for doing the SAME THING.
The "fee" that you are charged on your bill is the same "fee" that when charged to the provide, will be charged to you and HAS been for YEARS... probably much longer than most people here were born.
I guess I should say.. welcome to adult hood. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Why are their government fees? What you say is one way to look at things. HOWEVER, and yes, I was right in what I said in my other posts, I don't expect them to lump things together to make it one price!
Why? Because the users here want the taxes lumped together as well... and it can't be done. Why? Simple.. advertising / marketing areas over lap. If you put an ad on TV or the Radio and called out a price all inclusive, then it's not going to be the same for my neighboring city who's tax is 1% more than mine.
Also, their phone service is priced at what they say. They are accessed additional fees to provide that service.. In my view, those fees passed on to the company in the part of doing business is NOT the 'true cost' of the service. The service is the service and shouldn't be factored in with what others are making them pay.
NOW, with that said, there ARE some fees that I DO NOT agree with.. VERIZON, can you hear me now? A fee for NOT having long distance? and, the ever so popular, 'do not publish me in any directory' for $2.95 a month.. (On a side note, if you ask me, it's time to do away with "the phone book"... | |
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join:2005-03-11
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| said by r81984 :So the fees they add in are not government mandate, but part of the actual cost of service. Nope. It's the same government mandate that any company deals with..income taxes, property taxes, employment compliance, gross receipts taxes, IRS audits, social security, etc...
Simpler answer, ask your local state and federal goverment.
They got you with the clause in your contract that allows for "surcharges" until someone successfully sues (IMO).
Feels like going into a local quickie mart and getting a surcharge for local property taxes after paying your 1.29 for your super pop or big bag of fritos.
Hey what the heck, they have more money than you, feel free to take em to court  | |
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join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
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| said by r81984 :Why are VOIP companies being subjected to fees from the government just like POTS. VOIP is an internet service. Are we going to see taxes on all internet services like AIM, email, and web servers? Maybe they aren't but they are looking for new sources of revenue.
Just maybe they are taking advantage of the contract you willingly signed that allowed them to add surcharges to your bill. The better business bureau will help you!
Their fees sound alot like.."the ceo needs an extra boat" or more realistically, "our collocation center has raised the cost of power".
It sounds like you opted into a contract that allowed them to increase the cost of your service without your ability to cancel.
Maybe it's time to call the BBR, if you didn't agree. | |
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join:2004-06-29
| Do you want to be connected with the regular phone network? If the answer is yes, that means your phone conversations travel over to the PSTN. To receive e911 service, you must pay the fee. Otherwise, you could only do SIP to SIP based calling (which wouldn't ever leave the Internet). | |
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Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
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| Re: Good timing? I thought the exact thing when I saw the e-mail this morning. But then I thought, well, you've already pissed off a good number of customers, why not keep them pissed off for a little longer as oppose to letting them recover then pissing them off entirely again. | |
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join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL | Wording The note says "Due to increases in national regulatory fees, taxes, and related to delivering telecommunication services...". Are you saying they're flat-out lying and there were no increases in national regulatory fees? | |
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| Re: Wording said by quatrix :The note says "Due to increases in national regulatory fees, taxes, and related to delivering telecommunication services...". Are you saying they're flat-out lying and there were no increases in national regulatory fees? Do you believe everything you read from the incumbent telephone companies???
I sure don't.
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join:2005-03-11
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| Re: Wording said by Dominokat :said by quatrix :The note says "Due to increases in national regulatory fees, taxes, and related to delivering telecommunication services...". Are you saying they're flat-out lying and there were no increases in national regulatory fees? Do you believe everything you read from the incumbent telephone companies??? I sure don't. Are you suggesting ViaTalk is an incumbent telephone company? If they are please disclose!
Do you know what an "incumbent telephone company" is? | |
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join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL | I believe that if they falsely claimed increased national regulatory fees, they would be busted by the federal government. | |
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join:2005-03-11
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| said by quatrix :The note says "Due to increases in national regulatory fees, taxes, and related to delivering telecommunication services...". Are you saying they're flat-out lying and there were no increases in national regulatory fees? I am guessing it is possible. Also likely salaries increased and power bills increased.
Shouldn't they add those? | |
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join:2002-07-24
Cambridge, MA
1 edit | said by quatrix :The note says "Due to increases in national regulatory fees, taxes, and related to delivering telecommunication services...". Are you saying they're flat-out lying and there were no increases in national regulatory fees? They are probably not lying but there is still dishonesty. It's a hidden fee hike that some industries are allowed to get away with and consumer need to start voting with their wallets by walking away from such deception. Companies are taking their cost of doing business and rolling them into official sounding charges used to pad profit or negate teaser rates.
Imagine this:
You finance a car for 20 months at $500 per month (example used for simple math).
Based on this, it is assumed that you will pay the bank $10,000 over the course of the loan.
Suddenly you get a monthly charge for "Legal Document Transfer Fee" which is used to "defray the cost of delivering required legal documents through the postal system."
In other words, they are charging you for mailing you the monthly statement.
A few months later, that fee is hiked $2 due to "an increase in costs associated with transfer of legal documents"
Basically there was a hike in the cost of postage.
I am a proponent of "bottom line pricing" where the price you see include all fees, taxes, and charges associated with a sale. Years ago I dropped Speakeasy DSL because their "regulatory complaince fees" totaled 9% of the already high price. I've been with LBDSL for 3 years now and love their bottom line price. No surprises when the bill comes. | |
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join:2006-07-20 | Minor News Correction Karl, just a small correction to your title:
"Viatalk Raises Prices Via 'Unfees'
$3.45 hike placed in below the line charges..."
It really is a $0.95 hike to the $2.50 they were already charging. | |
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join:2000-10-28 | Re: Minor News Correction Probably.... but we don't really know that for sure. Not to mention this separate new (?) USF fee you just found.
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join:2001-01-10
Los Angeles, CA
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| I'm so torn!!! This Thursday will be the last day of my 14 day trial. So far, the service has been okay. Not greatest, but not bad either. I think for the most part, the bad has had to do with my crappy router at home and the fact we like to have our cake and eat it too (VOIP plus bit torrent plus stream) Can't wait til FIOS serves my area.
We tried the whole no "land line" approach, but having to use anytime mins for 800 numbers just blows, not to mention the disconnects.
I think I'm gonna stick with the service. (lets see how I feel in couple of months and after a router upgrade) | |
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Saxapahaw, NC | Re: I'm so torn!!! If 800#'s are your main concern, why not use Skype or MagicJack?
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
3 edits | G'Bye Sorry ViaTalk. This was the wrong thing to do at the wrong time.
I just called and cancelled. They didn't even ask why (they probably know). At least they aren't like the rude f*ckers at Vonage who yell at you if you dare try to cancel. | |
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join:2002-01-03
Coram, NY
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Harrington Park, NJ | Re: More "fees" Who will you go to from Viatalk? I have always been happy with them so I am afraid to change... | |
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I use to be with VT about a year ago and I am glad I left. I pay $19.99 a month and that's with taxes and all other fees included. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| That isn't the way dishonest sales tactics marketing works.
I work in the wholesale/retail industry and we provide a dizzying array of fees and "feel good" credits on our invoices so that the line item price of the product is as cheap as possible. Why? Marketing! How many times have you started to make an on-line purchase from a fringe merchant you thought was the cheapest until you found out that after exorbitant shipping and handling fees, they are as expensive or more expensive than a more popular merchant?
Marketing baby. That's what it's all about. Make the sale, get your percentage, life is good. | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | This is inexcusable... These types of shady and dishonest billing practices should be illegal across the board. | |
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join:2002-01-28
Loveland, CO | Re: This is inexcusable... Agree! | |
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| My POTS is still not cheaper So they are still cheaper than a second pots line with more features. A second pots line for me Qwest unlimited US ld would be around 45 after taxes without caller ID or voicemail. Maybe I should move to Verizon land where they give everything away according to posters here. I do have a two year contract price. Still their monthly rate would still be cheaper.
Plus somehow I was online with the phone during the last outage. Checked calls logs and my wife had made calls during the outage. Plus no complaints from her. Maybe Level3 likes me. | |
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Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| Re: My POTS is still not cheaper Don't be fooled. It's not cheaper in Verizon land. The teaser rates will just default to the ridiculously overpriced landline rates after the initial discount period. It's hard to blame the phone company. Here, my POTS bill before I switched to VT was about 60% fees/surcharges/taxes. That's right. It more than doubled my bill (not including any long distance). Ridiculous. Sadly enough, the actual monthly service rate itself is cheaper than VT. | |
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Minneapolis, MN | $3.45 (new fees) - $2.50 (existing fees) = $0.95 hike It would be helpful if the news item actually included the correct math.
I find it interesting that people are canceling over $11.40/year. | |
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join:2000-10-28 | Re: Other Choices You've plugged QuantumVoice three times in this thread. Why? It comes off as spammy.
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| ViaTalk's Extra Monthly Fees I am a Viatalk subscriber too with two ViaTalk accounts. Sure it's unfair to be hit with extra unexpected monthly fees after you have paid in full up front. This will be my last year of their service! I will also tell all of my friends who have joined ViaTalk upon my recommendations to to not renew it once their subscription ends. There is a better and cheaper alternative! Get two extra services that are totally free, and buy yourself a little gadget called MagicJack. This is completely new service and it only costs $40 for the first year and $20 for renewals annually. Now program the Magic Jack to forward the calls into IPKall, and IPKall should be registered with Free World Dialup. Now you have a $20 per year of unlimited calling each year without the hassles, and it is the cheapest VOIP service on earth that lets you call all over USA and Canada. Send more of Magic Jacks to all of your friends overseas, and don't pay for phone cards or long distance calls overseas. One thing, it works only with fast internet like DSL or Broadband. So make sure there's one at the end where you will be sending the Magic Jack. I just sent 10 Magic Jacks to my friends in another country! These little gadgets can also be used from Net Cafes if the person does not have any access to DSL. Again, this is the cheapest and good VOIP service. A $20 per year is not a big risk at all. Enjoy! | |
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| Re: Reporting I'm a Viatalk subscriber too with two ViaTalk accounts. Sure it's unfair to be hit with extra unexpected monthly fees after you have paid in full up front. This will be my last year of their service! I will also tell all of my friends who have joined ViaTalk upon my recommendations to to not renew it once their subscription ends. There is a better and cheaper alternative! Get two extra services that are totally free, and buy yourself a little gadget called MagicJack. This is completely new service and it only costs $40 for the first year and $20 for renewals annually. Now program the Magic Jack to forward the calls into IPKall, and IPKall should be registered with Free World Dialup. Now you have a $20 per year of unlimited calling each year without the hassles, and it is the cheapest VOIP service on earth that lets you call all over USA and Canada. Send more of Magic Jacks to all of your friends overseas, and don't pay for phone cards or long distance calls overseas. One thing, it works only with fast internet like DSL or Broadband. So make sure there's one at the end where you will be sending the Magic Jack. I just sent 10 Magic Jacks to my friends in another country! These little gadgets can also be used from Net Cafes if the person does not have any access to DSL. Again, this is the cheapest and good VOIP service. A $20 per year is not a big risk at all. Enjoy! | |
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| FCC fees on VOIP OMG! Wake up. FCC fees for e911 have been around for years. Not until the GPS e911 was added to Mobile phones was e911 introduced. Getting added to VOIP is just because the e911 operators have to get paid too and only right that the people with phones pay for its usage. Do you want e911 to go offshore to get free service? I can see it now "I need an ambulace at my house. Please HELP. ching chang chong dweep glip click clang buzzzzzz". | |
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join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
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| Re: FCC fees on VOIP said by McEton :
OMG! Wake up. FCC fees for e911 have been around for years. Not until the GPS e911 was added to Mobile phones was e911 introduced. Getting added to VOIP is just because the e911 operators have to get paid too and only right that the people with phones pay for its usage. Do you want e911 to go offshore to get free service? I can see it now "I need an ambulace at my house. Please HELP. ching chang chong dweep glip click clang buzzzzzz".
Is there an actual fee for e911 by the FCC? | |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | If you have Sprint PCS... If you have Sprint PCS, you can get unlimited long distance and local toll on your POTS line for $15.00 a month. You have to call them and ask for it, however as it's not advertised. | |
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join:2000-11-17
Hayward, CA
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| Re: If you have Sprint PCS... Thanks for the information but one nagging question comes to mind. How is a consumer to "know" that a provider offers something if it isn't presented as a product, offering or rate?
I've had Sprint PCS for a while now and I've never seen, heard or been offered POTS service.
They do want me desperately to upgrade my cellphones(4) so that they can cancel my current contract and stick me with a more expensive one that delivers less minutes. | |
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | I think I read it here some time ago. Sprint doesn't advertise it probably because they want to stick you with more expensive POTS long distance service as well. When I called to ask about it, the CSR knew about it and set me up on the spot. | |
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join:2004-12-09
Boston, MA
| said by dot_null :At this point, I'm considering just porting my Viatalk number to T-Mobile To Go prepaid. It's $100 for the first year (includes 1000 minutes) and $10 for each subsequent year. I infrequently use the home phone anyway, so no big loss. I have the T-Mobile pre-pay plan. I purchased my own Moto Razr and swapped in the sim card from the cheapie phone in the package. I never got 1000 min free (I think it was a $25 credit), but, once you spend $100, anything you refill it with after that is good for one year. I usually refill it on-line with $50 every few months or so. At $.10 per min, it's great for people who do not use the cell phone all that much, since there are no monthly fees. | |
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Kennesaw, GA | Re: Considering Leaving It is an excellent plan! I have 3 T-Mobile prepaid accounts already and wouldn't have any qualms about adding another. T-Mobile's porting department is top notch, so I don't think porting my Viatalk number would be an issue. | |
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
·Speakeasy
| I could never figure out why... everyone thought that this would not happen - been saying it all long. I don't get why people think it is so cheap for a company to pay for the hardware/bandwidth/systems needed to run a VOIP and offer super cheap prices and 'free' long distance.... And it looks like they can't for the long haul. They can't afford people to get pissed and cancel their service so they go the fee route and folks are surprised and I don;t know why folks are the least bit surprised...
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